spamming - how well does it convert?
 

seriously?

is anyone here making big time cash with email spam? i don't mean program owners (unless they are doing the spamming themselves), i mean affiliates.

as an outsider i would think the conversion ratios would be fucking terrible, unless the lists you are sending to are well-targeted.

i suppose it's all about very high volumes...

what do you think?

Agree, its all about the volume. Same as TGP.

Email ads can be very profitable.

It all depends on the volume of emails, targetted traffic if possible, etc.

We don't send ads anymore, but have affiliates who do.

some make a few hundred dollars per month, some make 30-40k


peace

Hi Amp,

well I haven't spammed since 1998, but from 1995 to 1998, we had 23 slackware servers on 2 t-1 lines sending out emails 24/7

back then not so many pissed off people as they get now.

I have never had a problem with Spam email, just so it doesn't get to minors.

We locate our "ad" allowed toy stores overseas where there is no problems.

We also setup Landing Page servers for those companies that need that service.

Shalom
todd

'I sit alone in my dark room,
visions of my life flash before me.
Remembering and thinking, Realizing.
The world has only,
Fucked me over.'

Cheers boys and girls.

:glugglug

personally i think spam is where its at provided its as responsible as possible.

obviously, target the traffic as much as you can, but spam is gods gift to adult websites.

i just hope future legislation doesnt strangle it to death like it is doing to the telecom industry.

A company I used to work for used to spam people all the time by greasing the palms of a few techs at some of the large pipes to look the other way. They were spending about 15-20k/month so it must have been doing quite well. Granted now that AOL has had a judgement in their favor to collect damages on spammers to their members it could get quite tricky.

still, they are only focusing on the big players - and that judgement against CN was like the second one against the company after they got banned from doing it the first time.

my guess is at the amount of volume they were pushing 7 mil is chump change.

aol needs that cash badly now given their money situation. new corporate jet!

Another disapearing Amp post?

Leader,

someone brings up spam, and AMP runs quick :)))

I'm betting if you had an untouchable server in a 3rd world country and your own program to promote. Using lots of proxies and a high speed connection.

You could probably make shit loads.

I don't spam, but I have never understood all the fuss about it. People annoy me when it comes to bitching about email spam. I would 10X rather get an email I can easily delete, than get a bundled up stack of pizza adds clogging up my mailbox and entrapping my real mail. :feels-hot

But you never hear people bitching about that now do you?People need to shut the fuck up about bitching about it.

Quiet, if you're thinking about it, go ahead. I'm drunk.
:glugglug

fuck yea shaggy spoken like a true ponce

at least we dont cut down trees to send you carpet cleaning coupons you will never use

digital age is beautiful

Keep in mind there is NO such thing as an untouchable server. Period.

If you want to give mailing a fling on your way out the door quiet, by all means why not? It works, plenty of multimillionaires that can assure you of that.

about the conversions...that depends on who your target is ofcourse...If it is just emails that are generated by a bot that goes harvesting emails on the net(and not single or double optin) then you are prolly looking at 1/5 or 1/4 of 1 PERCENT of your emails converting! Now, that may seem like nothing(and it is virtually nothing) but if you are doing alot of volume, it can be good.

I am not sure what the numbers are on single or double optin email, but Im sure it is much better than just email harvesting spam.

Kimmy,

you are correct, most are called bullet proof mail servers, but nothing is bullet proof either.


there is many ppl who are very well off from email ads, I know a few myself;))


just NO MINORS!!!!

Hugs

yea also as a rule of thumb -

if you are using blind lists or whatever and spamming general traffic to them, remail them for some bs grossout niche. guaranteed you will flip so hard - the people on the internet are SICK i tell you, sick.

cat on dog action here on the discovery channel xxx.

that's what i'm saying, we evolve and we create better technology to save our environment. Then we got whiney ass little bitches crying about having to delete an email. :BangBang: :waaaaahh

Fuck em'.

I don't know how we got off on the wrong foot here. It's a sacred sin to email spam, but it's ok to cut down thousands of trees on a daily basis for my real mail to get mixed up in and get accidentaly thrown away. How did this happen? What the fuck? It's really starting to annoy me and I don't even spam!

Can you imagine if the post office shut service off to Wal-Mart for sending out their garbage adds? Give me a fucking break.

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I don't know how we got off on the wrong foot here. It's a sacred sin to email spam, but it's ok to cut down thousands of trees on a QUOTE]

I can tell you how we got off to the wrong foot with this. I've been on the net since 1995. And BBS before that, anyone remember FIDO net?

When I got my first spams, I didn't much care. Then I heard the uproar, congress looking into it? I had to ask others what the problem was. I got the bla bla bla, it cost us money to run these servers. Well duh, you put a computer open to the world don't be surprised when the world comes to visit.

It has NOTHING to do with that. Companies do have the problem of having improper e-mails hit employees and the employee then sueing for working environment issues. And people will do it. So companies to have some real issues their.

But where this came from is this. AOL and others have spent a lot of money one what was then called "The Great Experiment"
If us much smaller entities come in and send UCE's not only can we offer products for less money because of our lower cost, AOL can also not charge as much for the advertising on their websites. AOL and others are a coroporation. It's got nothing to do with morals. It's all about money, that's what a corporation does. While there are all kinds of talk about ethics in the classroom, look around you, take a look at Ms. Clean aka Martha Stweart. It ain't morals, it's $$$.

As for how much one can make, I know people that send 20 million e-mails a day. They often make $10,000 a week. No it's not me. Wish it was. ;) It's not cheap to do that. I can provide the contacts for those with the money though for bullet proof servers.


ICQ=176994214

trust me, its cheaper than you think.
its methodology - the one dimensional thinking about bulletproof hosting/servers/etc. is a misnomer - bottom line is innovation.

innovate, imitate, playa hate.
in the cards.

Rainman,

good old fido net. We were a node in portland, or way back when.


good old wildcat and major bbs :))

that sounds like it has some truth to it, but I still hear smaller entities bitching about it all of the time. A lot of people here at GFY that make their living on adds. I guess it's just a pet peave of mine.

Well said RainMan. Even though we do not do much spamming it is much better than wasting trees to advertise. I think spamming should be complete legal if they can put shit on your front door, garage door and in your mailbox you should most certainly beable to send emails to advertise. I have even had people try to sell me shit in front of Best Buy but send some emails and your in deep shit.

spammers sending email to lists that arent optin can go fuck themself.

die heathen the world was built on free enterprise
long live bothersome emails

long live the delete key

um yeah lets hope they dont pass laws to make sure people mail legally riiiight...Only people strangling anything is you people doing it illegally :2 cents:

no one is doing shit illegally.

granted, in every walk of something there is one or two idiots that cost the masses all their glory. if people could fucking use a gun responsibly we would have no laws for gun possession.

'tis the idiots that are tainting the game, not the True Soldiers.:2 cents:

well I'm aware of who you are :winkwink: and I think it's safe to say all of your lists arent opt-in,which means a big percentage of your mails are hitting kids... Unless you're all opt-in, you really shouldnt have a rebuttle for this post

spam rules

and yeah I'm aware there would be a few kids on opt-in lists as well but it really does cut the percentage down

only things wrong with spamming 1)hitting kids 2) using somebody elses money to send your mails... I could careless about the inconvience of getting spam mail,thats the least of what peoples problems should be with it

When the right person gets a spam email,its followed thru to the fullest and a big news story ends up on CNN about how the adult industry is targetting children,dont whine when the hammer comes down :glugglug

gack - zing i see my reputation preceeds me. ;)

but honestly, i have collected a fair number of optins over the years. the target that i spin to the general populace may theoretically hit a few unwanted recipients, but i seriously try to keep my campaigns as focused as possible. you traditionally can't make money off of people who don't want your shit anyway, so why spam to them? i use remove lists and the whole 9 - no sense getting screwed for something easily avoided.

no, not interested in getting into the spam game. we've never sent out a single email spam in 6 years of running paysites. never had any reason to i guess.

but looking through the responses, it's got me curious about mailing my expired members.

i have a strict policy of only emailing members when they email us first (problems/cancellations/etc). i have at least 300K+ emails sitting in the ibill cmi (all expired full month memberships) from my largest site alone. actually it's probably more than that, but whatever.

so hypothetically if i emailed them all to remind them of the site/new content added since they were members/etc - would it be worth the trouble? how well might it actually convert anyway?

and how likely am i to piss anyone off (isps/expired members/etc)?

hmm...

quiet,

that's an interesting question - I'm sure someone here has done it and has some ideas.

When I ran my member site I also had a similar e-mail policy as you so I decided not to do it.

If you were to do it one thing that would help (with the members anyway) would be to give a discount on the membership :2 cents:

to me,thats not spamming :2 cents: 1)you know they arent kids 2)you wont be using a server illegally to send 3)its not unsolicited

it should be illegal to pay postage to send snail mail "spam"? theres a very bold line between spamming and bulk mailing legally... bulk mailing can be compared to snail mail junk but spamming cant

If you have a server set up in Asia or Europe is spamming from there illegal? I thought spam was only illegal in the States. Do overseas processors allow spam.

All of you spamming pricks can fuck off and die. I can't wait for the day when it's a fucking felony.

jealousy is a female trait

Eat shit you little cocksmoker.

expired members lists rock!

If you were with paycom, you could mail that 300k, and all the recipeint would have todo is click the link in the ad, and once he/she is at the page is input thier email address again in a certain field, and BOOM... they are an active member again. No other processor can do this yet i dont think. everyone else has to signup with ALL thier info including cc again.

anyways, that 300k is very valuable list obviously, and they are optin. So i would be mailing that fucker every 10 minutes till i had the fbi at my door asking my why i was clogging up the mail servers throughout the country.

In reguards to spamming :).. My favorite topic. Spam rules, I wouldnt have a pot to piss in with ot it. $PAM 4 LIFE

you are mean

I asked ounce about spam and got flamed

That's an interesting process you've described. That's a great marketing tool to exploit, given the pre-qualification aspect.







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My personal opinion is that spam and junk mail are similar but slightly different.

I have yet to see a hardcore adult junk mail come thru my slot.

I get 10-12 hardcore spams per day to an address that I have not used anywhere on the net. Seems strange somehow. So I definitely can see how kids can get hit with this.

But mailing an optin list? bah, imo it should be no problem.

Sad thing is, one person complains because the wife caught a glimpse into his online porn addiction and spamcop is all over it and before you know it upstream providers are calling you.

The hardcore anti spam people scare me. I have never sent a mailer in my life. However, being a host I have had some customers send a mailer or two (and we been thru a number of formmail exploits). And man, I have had more death threats and threats of physical harm then you can imagine. People are psycho.

I am with p1mpdogg.. that 300k list of emails from members - hit it up once or twice for fun.

That 30 million list you bought for $200... toss it in the garbage cuz you are going to hit a bunch of kids.

You don't have the respect like "quiet" does. We all listen and pay attention to successful people.

And yes it pisses me off when all these webmasters bitch about spam when its not that big a deal if you get a good filter. I am more pissed off at those damn spam mails that send me 8-15 300k bloody email viriuses EACH AND EVERY DAY!! 10-20 spams I can handle and I don't even use a filter.

I'm working on my new spamming enpire right now, (wish me luck) :)

Sammy

hello ytc, long time no see buddy :glugglug

I got good lists....

tony at americanpervert dot com

:BangBang: :waaaaahh :waaaaahh

If you're looking to send large volumes of mail I've got a program for campaign management. Starts at $9,975 and scales up as you add more mail servers. Most of the features are not really useful to blatant spammers though, no proxies, no relays, no IP changing/spoofing, etc. But if you've got legit email and you want to determine country, get opener/click counts, etc. check out http://www.humaniq.com/mailcluster

SPAM will kill you man-o-man some double opt-in subscribers who get's the sales mail feels like it's a war. Who cares - as long as you don't live in the USA. I'Send out few million - it's worth of it if you don't care about letters / email saying "YOU ARE DEATH MAN!". honestly - who cares - as long as it's double opt-in list(s). Good luck but don't blow your head.

well quiet, here's what I would do.

I'd take my members that converted to a full month, and I would mail them at myself, either same site, new price or different site along the same lines as the one they converted to.

Now my bandwidth sucking leeches, the ones that cancelled on trial, well, I'd mail them at the highest paying per join program I could find that will let you mail them.

That's if you have them sorted like that ;)