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Va2k · 12-13-2002, 08:40 AM

I wrote this yesterday and saved it to note pad, was thinking I may have been just pissed and didn't want to make an ass out of myself as norml. But after looking at it again FUCK IT. People need to know.
so here it goes

Ok Long story short. Last week I get a complaint that one of my models looked underaged from a surfer. He was pissed and shit.
Well I contacted TOM DAVIS aka MagicMan aka 007alien what ever else his names are. Well I get this today.

You have received a message!
hey dude still no word from that photographer i am getting a bit worried about this
and i know it puts you in a bind
i am just trying to keep you updated if it was my site i would take down those pics until i get this resolved
I wish i had better news ;o)

As you can see IM FUCKING PISSED. I mean dang if you are going to sell content HAVE THE FUCKING PROOF OF AGE AND MODEL RELEASE FORMS @#$ So I am posting this so if anyone else bought content from him you SHOULD TAKE THE SHIT OFF YOUR WEBSITE

This is to damn scary. DAMN DAMN DAMN this really sucks. TOM DON'T YOU FREAKING DARE ICQ me and ask why I Freaking POSTED THIS... Dang DONT EVEN BOTHER TO TALK TO ME anymore. I told you from day one DON'T screw me over, Don't Lie to me. YOU DID!! now GO FUCK YOUR SELF!!! I don't want to hear how your girlfriend is this or that, your dad is dead, alive, or if ya truck blew the fuck up! NO MORE SHIT FROM YOU!

GO TO HELL YOU SCAMMING PIECE OF SHIT YOUR A WANKER AND YOUR MOTHER WAS A $5.00 BEATEN WHORE!

ARGH#$% NOW I have to worry if this is going to cause me any fucking trouble with the feds or the law GOD DAMN YOU.

Now that I have posted this IM GOING BACK to work and finish up redoing some galleries for a client.

TOM

DarkJedi · 12-13-2002, 08:43 AM

oh my !

Nydahl · 12-13-2002, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by va2k
I wrote this yesterday and saved it to note pad, was thinking I may have been just pissed and didn't want to make an ass out of myself as norml. But after looking at it again FUCK IT. People need to know.
so here it goes

Ok Long story short. Last week I get a complaint that one of my models looked underaged from a surfer. He was pissed and shit.
Well I contacted TOM DAVIS aka MagicMan aka 007alien what ever else his names are. Well I get this today.

You have received a message!
hey dude still no word from that photographer i am getting a bit worried about this
and i know it puts you in a bind
i am just trying to keep you updated if it was my site i would take down those pics until i get this resolved
I wish i had better news ;o)

As you can see IM FUCKING PISSED. I mean dang if you are going to sell content HAVE THE FUCKING PROOF OF AGE AND MODEL RELEASE FORMS @#$ So I am posting this so if anyone else bought content from him you SHOULD TAKE THE SHIT OFF YOUR WEBSITE

This is to damn scary. DAMN DAMN DAMN this really sucks. TOM DON'T YOU FREAKING DARE ICQ me and ask why I Freaking POSTED THIS... Dang DONT EVEN BOTHER TO TALK TO ME anymore. I told you from day one DON'T screw me over, Don't Lie to me. YOU DID!! now GO FUCK YOUR SELF!!! I don't want to hear how your girlfriend is this or that, your dad is dead, alive, or if ya truck blew the fuck up! NO MORE SHIT FROM YOU! GO TO HELL YOU SCAMMING PIECE OF SHIT YOUR A WANKER AND YOUR MOTHER WAS A $5.00 BEATEN WHORE!

ARGH#$% NOW I have to worry if this is going to cause me any fucking trouble with the feds or the law GOD DAMN YOU.

Now that I have posted this IM GOING BACK to work and finish up redoing some galleries for a client.

TOM

that's bad but can happen - he must get yor money back and solve the problem

Va2k · 12-13-2002, 08:55 AM

Yes its bad I DONT CARE ABOUT THE MONEY, And this isnt his fault this is 100% my fault for going with a sounds to good deal, gong with the cheap ass ugliest bitches in the world content. Its not about the money either I have to take down 9000 images and movies redo my tours and ya know what? I DONT have time argh@$# SOB

Im just really pissed right now, this last MONTH has sucked donkey nuts, If its not my kids being sick its me, I am behind in work, behind in promises just 100% Behind,

I can not blame anyone BUT my stupid phat ass. And im more pissed that I allowed and trusted somone.

Nydahl · 12-13-2002, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by va2k
Yes its bad I DONT CARE ABOUT THE MONEY, And this isnt his fault this is 100% my fault for going with a sounds to good deal, gong with the cheap ass ugliest bitches in the world content. Its not about the money either I have to take down 9000 images and movies redo my tours and ya know what? I DONT have time argh@$# SOB

Im just really pissed right now, this last MONTH has sucked donkey nuts, If its not my kids being sick its me, I am behind in work, behind in promises just 100% Behind,

I can not blame anyone BUT my stupid phat ass. And im more pissed that I allowed and trusted somone.

I understand that.Thats also one side of the biz....won't happen with me man - take a look...

Mutt · 12-13-2002, 09:01 AM

alot of content licensed in this industry is done without the licensee having any idea if the models are legal. how many people who license content include a photocopy of the ID's with the download?
most people just trust that the content provider has all the documentation, that it's all kosher.

I don't see what the harm is in showing customers the ID's with of course the models real name and location blurred, the date of birth and photo is all anybody wants to see.

Bottom line is that you have to trust who you are buying from if you really want to be safe, anybody can fake ID's and lie, the brokers who buy from small guys who they have never met in their lives, from countries where who knows what goes on, are much riskier.

Brujah · 12-13-2002, 09:03 AM

who was the photographer ? maybe you can find that out and "deal" with him directly.

Tam · 12-13-2002, 09:03 AM

Oh yippie yippie yay....... I might get to get fucked over again? Hot DAMN!!!!!

AWW - Kevin · 12-13-2002, 09:04 AM

hmm i bought those pics as well ( haven't downloaded them yet )

i wonder if i can get my money back? (if it's true)

Va2k · 12-13-2002, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
who was the photographer ? maybe you can find that out and "deal" with him directly.

Thats just it he first told me HE and his friend SHOT THEM!
TAM did you buy content from him?
Nydahl IT WONT happen to me again either, I am only going to usse content I shot and shooting now. screw it TO damn scary for only a few grand a month.

Dildozer · 12-13-2002, 09:12 AM

There's been alot of talk about MagicMan lately. It's the first time i ever bought content so i didn't really know how to proceed. He even used selling to Va2k as a sales pitch for me.

Fuck this

Dildozer · 12-13-2002, 09:13 AM

I bet his dog ate the model releases

Theo · 12-13-2002, 09:14 AM

this is very serious

FlyingIguana · 12-13-2002, 09:19 AM

that is the most unprofessional thing i have ever seen. if the model is underage and the content provider sells those sets. that can get a ton of people in a shitload of trouble.

do these people even use their head?

Tam · 12-13-2002, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by va2k

TAM did you buy content from him?

Yes I did...... awhile back.... was using it to make an amateur paysite of my own...... but I guess that shit is right out the damn window now too huh?

Don't think you are gonna get your money back........ something tells me he ain't got it.

Va2k · 12-13-2002, 09:25 AM

no ya prolyl wont get ya money back unless ya do a chargeback or something maybe like that I am more pissed i trusted him and gave him good referencing to MY friends. OH yea im even more pissed I now have to take down his shit content as well. Thank god Im buying 600.00 worth of live feeds and live chats from 2 companys mayvbe this will help shrugs, but as far as buying content again NEVER NEVER NEVER I will go back at taging toothless whores before I do that again.

Brujah · 12-13-2002, 09:33 AM

There are ways to seriously fuck with him and fuck him up if you want to get it done.

AcidMax · 12-13-2002, 09:36 AM

I bought this shit too, I just filed a complaint with PayPal to get the money back, we will see what happens.

Andy

JohnnyUtah · 12-13-2002, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AWW - Kevin
hmm i bought those pics as well ( haven't downloaded them yet )

i wonder if i can get my money back? (if it's true)

LOL, dream on....
I lost my coin too....

Brad Mitchell · 12-13-2002, 09:39 AM

No money back for me either, I'm out $250.

Theo · 12-13-2002, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
that is the most unprofessional thing i have ever seen. if the model is underage and the content provider sells those sets. that can get a ton of people in a shitload of trouble.

do these people even use their head?

I doubt. Scary thing.

Steve · 12-13-2002, 09:45 AM

That sucks. He's putting everyone who bought these images in a very bad situation.

If it looks too good to be true, it is.

Donny · 12-13-2002, 09:46 AM

This really sucks, man.

I do have a suggestion: if you're going to buy licensed content buy from someone like Ounique. I've sold some of my sets through them. I provide them with an id/release or it doesn't go up for sale.

Or you can buy exclusive content. It's really not as expensive as you'd think. My clients get copies of the id, the model release, and a brief bio on each model. They own 100% rights to the photos to do whatever the hell they want to do with it.

I don't fuck around when it comes to age. Sometimes I'll have an 18 year old girl come over to shoot and she decides to bring an underage friend. The friend wants to sit at the house and watch TV or something while waiting. I tell the model that her friend has to leave or the shoot will no begin. I don't want anyone underage anywhere CLOSE to the house when I'm shooting.

Again:
http://www.Ounique.com for licensed...
http://www.DonovanPhillips.com/pro/ts1.htm for exclusive.

Just my

Tam · 12-13-2002, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AcidMax
I bought this shit too, I just filed a complaint with PayPal to get the money back, we will see what happens.

Andy

Let me know how it goes.... or better yet hit me on icq and I'll do the same damn thing.... I am out $200+

I won't buy any content again, never bought much to BEGIN with...... but I won't buy again unless I get it from someone I damn well trust.

I personally have been getting mine from JactContent.com and Cool-content.com if I get any at all and I think I'll stick with them.......

Theo · 12-13-2002, 09:54 AM

hehe I was about to buy them too after the request of some friend, but when i saw the sample mpegs i decided to keep using playboy channel

AaronM · 12-13-2002, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nydahl

I understand that.Thats also one side of the biz....won't happen with me man - take a look...

Asshole.

Leave it to a content provider to spam the thread where another content provider is getting ripped on.

Pretty fucking weak.

AaronM · 12-13-2002, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
This really sucks, man.

I do have a suggestion: if you're going to buy licensed content buy from someone like Ounique. I've sold some of my sets through them. I provide them with an id/release or it doesn't go up for sale.

Or you can buy exclusive content. It's really not as expensive as you'd think. My clients get copies of the id, the model release, and a brief bio on each model. They own 100% rights to the photos to do whatever the hell they want to do with it.

I don't fuck around when it comes to age. Sometimes I'll have an 18 year old girl come over to shoot and she decides to bring an underage friend. The friend wants to sit at the house and watch TV or something while waiting. I tell the model that her friend has to leave or the shoot will no begin. I don't want anyone underage anywhere CLOSE to the house when I'm shooting.

Again:
http://www.Ounique.com for licensed...
http://www.DonovanPhillips.com/pro/ts1.htm for exclusive.

Just my

Nice post....except for the part where you are selling your service.

Fucking voltures.

Tam · 12-13-2002, 10:19 AM

Soul.... that's the only reason I bought this....... on words of some good friends...... sometimes things just happen and no one really knows anyone when it comes to shit like this. You are one of the lucky ones...... Damn..... I have to laugh about this or I will cry........ LOL

Aaron..... tell it like it is there baby....

ancher · 12-13-2002, 10:21 AM

A lot of people sell things on the internet, whitout having the right to do it...also in our business. Next time, ask for documents when you buy a product.
You are welcome at www.glamourgirls.biz I have all the ID's and releases for every girl on my site.

http://www.glamourgirls.biz

AaronM · 12-13-2002, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ancher
A lot of people sell things on the internet, whitout having the right to do it...also in our business. Next time, ask for documents when you buy a product.
You are welcome at www.glamourgirls.biz I have all the ID's and releases for every girl on my site.

http://www.glamourgirls.biz

That's makes 3. Anybody else want to fish for business in this thread?

Please step up now.

Va2k · 12-13-2002, 10:24 AM

make a note to self NEVER piss arronM off

Now on another note let me ask this so i can get it off my mind! IF you are going to broker content or sell it shouldnt you have all the legals taken care of and on your desk? Should't ya have it on the puter as well?

AaronM · 12-13-2002, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by va2k
make a note to self NEVER piss arronM off

Now on another note let me ask this so i can get it off my mind! IF you are going to broker content or sell it shouldnt you have all the legals taken care of and on your desk? Should't ya have it on the puter as well?

Yes and no. I personally think you should, however...From what I have seen from some brokers is that they simply have you sign a form stating that you have everything to make it legal. They then should be listing the shooter as the records holder in the 2257 area of the sites or on the license agreement.

This is just one reason that I have never used a broker and the only images I broker are those from a good friend who's house I can drive to and burn down in about 3 hours if he fucks me over.

redshift · 12-13-2002, 10:29 AM

as a rule of thumb - if I dont get a pic of the model holding her ID I dont buy the content

AaronM · 12-13-2002, 10:33 AM

I have said MANY times that the boards are not my primary source of business. People that I do the majority of my business with are people that I have met at shows. They know me personally...not just some random name in cyberspace.

Be a smart consumer and research things before you buy. If you go to the shows...Spend a few minutes talking shop and networking. The beer will still be there when you are done.

My

Mutt · 12-13-2002, 10:38 AM

Aaron's right, i took a look at one broker's procedure/agreement for selling a photographer's work and it sure looked like pretty weak, some day somebody could go to jail using one of the brokers.

here's another thing, let's say one of these brokers, who don't like to give a licensee a photocopy of the model's ID's, decides he's going to go out of business, and he just shuts it down and disappears off the Net, or his house burns down and all the records go with it. Hundreds of webmasters out there with no way to prove a model is legal.

Ounique? 50% of the sale they take if what i've heard is correct, that's ridiculous.

Guitar Riff · 12-13-2002, 10:43 AM

Let Me Guess It was The Series of Yuli If so i questioned him about it too and this was his response

Guitarriff 12/4/200 9:58 AM yuli is looking quite young

MagicMan 12/4/200 9:59 AM oh i see ;O)))
man i have heard that 15 times in the last
three months dude
she is 23 SHE will never BECOME a mature
model...................LOL

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:00 AM i kidded her about that LOL

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:00 AM she will look 20 when she is 40 dude i swear
she will..............LOL

Guitarriff 12/4/200 10:01 AM my sister is 12 and looks older than she does
I want proof bro im 100% legal and have a
good name and am not going to tarnish that so
show me proof

Guitarriff 12/4/200 10:01 AM not being an ass just Covering my Ass

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:06 AM i will tell you what i told the one other
person that was QUOTE "a bit concerned" you
can either not use her or refer any age
questions about her directly to me
there are only 400 images of her in the
content you bought
you tell me what you want to do
I just don't include that info with my content
;O))
nothing personal and nothing to hide i just
never have and the agreement i have with my
models stands at that

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:06 AM at the same time you are my customer and i
want to make you happy as well ;O))

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:07 AM but i cannot betray my word or my contract
agreements with the models i have worked with
do you see my point??

Guitarriff 12/4/200 10:07 AM no if she's legal than you have nothing to
hide anyone that ask=s for title 18 info is
entitled to that info so im asking for proof
been hearing and seeing alot lately and am
covering my ass

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:08 AM fine dude if you QUESTIONING her age then i
will send you out snail mail a copy of her ID
with her address etc blacked out
where do you want me to send it??

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:09 AM i mean i understand what you are saying and if
you need info on just her no worries that i
can do ;o)))

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:10 AM i don't mean for anything i said to come out
wrong dude
i just woke up so bear with me...........LOL

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:10 AM not running on all 8 cylinders quite yet ;O))

Guitarriff 12/4/200 10:10 AM LOL thats what the content providers do
they dont give any adresses they are all
blocked out but they have the model
birthdate in there its usually a liscense
photo

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:10 AM oh i have it i just don't include it ;O))

Guitarriff 12/4/200 10:11 AM ya should covers your ass

Guitarriff 12/4/200 10:11 AM just black out her address and other
impertinent information

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:11 AM never had a problem dude i am legal so i can
send you that on her though no worries ;O))

gregtx · 12-13-2002, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
I have said MANY times that the boards are not my primary source of business. People that I do the majority of my business with are people that I have met at shows. They know me personally...not just some random name in cyberspace.

Be a smart consumer and research things before you buy. If you go to the shows...Spend a few minutes talking shop and networking. The beer will still be there when you are done.

My

====================================

good point Aaron... its nice to know who you are doing business with... but again.. its no guarantee that everthing is still 100% to code... we had to remove images from some of our tours from David Lace studios... the excuse we got.. "oops sorry forgot to get that model release... well replace the set".... wasn't about the $$$ or the set.. it was about the fact they sold us illegal content...

something we do.. is include the model relase and ids on each cd... and we photoshop off all of the personal info.. except the stage name and birthdate.. .it still not perfect.. but it lets our customers know that the paperwork exists... I also invite anyone in to my office to see them for themselves... and have even sent to law offices for verifications...

my

Guitar Riff · 12-13-2002, 10:44 AM

And i Sent My Address to His ICQ and Guess what Still Not a fuckin Thing in my mail box

AaronM · 12-13-2002, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
Aaron's right, i took a look at one broker's procedure/agreement for selling a photographer's work and it sure looked like pretty weak, some day somebody could go to jail using one of the brokers.

here's another thing, let's say one of these brokers, who don't like to give a licensee a photocopy of the model's ID's, decides he's going to go out of business, and he just shuts it down and disappears off the Net, or his house burns down and all the records go with it. Hundreds of webmasters out there with no way to prove a model is legal.

Ounique? 50% of the sale they take if what i've heard is correct, that's ridiculous.

Every broker I have researched is 50-55%. Not really such a bad deal if you can not move it on your own. The content is just sittig there anyway. Better to get 50% of something than of nothing.

On the flip side.......If you do not know how to make the money on your own in the content business then perhaps you should look for another line of work.

When this shit happens I just sit back and wonder. Why is it that when I bash a content provider on the boards for looking like a fly by night operation that I am frowned at? This is why i do it and it is shit like this that gives ALL of us a bad name and costs us business. 2 or 3 people have said that they will no longer buy content after this problem. How is that fair to Charly, Dan, Myself, Don, Jon, Unseen....etc...

There are reputable content providers out there and not all of their content is over saturated.

Mutt · 12-13-2002, 10:53 AM

Web-Legal only takes 30%.

Apollo · 12-13-2002, 11:02 AM

I got suckered into buying his content too back in the day....looks like now I can piss on them entirely instead of hoping I'd be able to use them for www.rateyourbeatenho.com .... ahh well, I was getting too cushy with not reading between the lines in too many deals...I was bound to get burnt sooner or later =D

AaronM · 12-13-2002, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
Web-Legal only takes 30%.

Not according to Dave Clark.

He told me 50%+

<IMX> · 12-13-2002, 11:44 AM

va2k--

Damn. that sucks dude. I just had a whole bunch of feeders done with that content. Who was the company Magic Man was brokering for?

Yeah I've about had it buying the "cheap" content.
Seems it is just as useful as "cheap" hosting.

Luc · 12-13-2002, 11:49 AM

I got in on that $250 deal as well. Found this thread
by accident.

I will contact MagicMan and see what happens. If
his content really is illegal then he'll be screwed.

I have his full name, address and phone number,
verified because I called him to confirm that his
info is legit.

Seemed like a pretty nice guy so I'll cut him
some slack until this shit gets sorted out.

Luc L.

DjSap · 12-13-2002, 11:58 AM

little piece of bitch, could somebody organize a mass beating of the fucker? I bought content but now it looks like its unusable

Va2k · 12-13-2002, 12:13 PM

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:08 AM fine dude if you QUESTIONING her age then i
will send you out snail mail a copy of her ID
with her address etc blacked out
where do you want me to send it??

THATS THE sam shit he told me last week argh HERE anyone want to call this FUCKING cock smoker
tom aka content provider / tgp builder
252-212-8278

its his real phone number i have talked to him several times I knwo where he lives and if i was allowed to fucking drive I would be at his fucking place with a knife to slash his fucking tires and a ball bat to bash this fucks brains in YES im threating him YES if i ever see him i will do bodly harm NO I DONT CARE how much troubel I will get in for putting it on a public board HE FUCKED me in the goats ass and fucked a lot of my friends HIS ASS WILL BE mine.

I never get pissed about shit like somone fucking me over and I have been screwed several times but when it comes to going to jail and shit I WILL Go after anyone, Argh

TOM DAVIS

FATPad · 12-13-2002, 12:18 PM

Jesus. What a mess.

Va2k · 12-13-2002, 12:22 PM

here is some of the incomming icq messages i got and was in talks with him over the last few months it all comes together when you read everything,

You have received a message!
hey dude still no word from that photographer i am getting a bit worried about this
and i know it puts you in a bind
i am just trying to keep you updated if it was my site i would take down those pics for Yuli until i get this resolved
I wish i had better news ;o))
You have received a message!
i am sure i will hear back from him when i was doing the content deal sometimes it took him a few days to get back in touch so hold tight my friend i just wanted you to know
You have received a message!
Tom i wanted to touch base with you on the YULI id you need when i purchased all this content from the photographer and he sent me model releases (which i have for each girl) i did not get a copy of them with their picture ID (i can't believe it) but i have contacted the photographer i purchased the content from (by e-mail and by phone too) i have not heard back from him

You have received a message!
but i NEED MONEY today ASAP

You have received a message!
well if you sell 2 sets for me its yours
and every other set you sell for $200 you get $50 today
i have to get my truck on the road dude

You have received a message!
hey i just got out of the HOLE in paypal
look i will sell 9000 pics and 85 movies for $200
any you sell i will pay you $50 per set sold are you interested??

You have received a message!
dude i need to raise some cash right now
my truck broke down last nite

You have received a message!
i had that big charge back last week over $400 bucks
that $40 you sent just went towards paying that off ;o))

You have received a message!
i need to sell $300 worth of content tonite
$200 is to get my paypal account straight and $100 is for me ;o))

RockDaddy · 12-13-2002, 12:24 PM

I hope you aren't buying flat chested, ponytailed teens.
If your surfer thinks she doesn't look old enough, did she look old enough to you when you purchased the pics?

Playing the "youngest teens allowed by law" game is offensive and dangerous. Hope that's not the case here.

<IMX> · 12-13-2002, 12:26 PM

va2k--
Nice info. Can you post the url again to the company he was brokering for?

I want to see if my sites are salvagable.

12-13-2002, 08:40 AM	#1
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	WARNING to anyone that uses XXX RATEDSTUDIOS CONTENT! I wrote this yesterday and saved it to note pad, was thinking I may have been just pissed and didn't want to make an ass out of myself as norml. But after looking at it again FUCK IT. People need to know. so here it goes Ok Long story short. Last week I get a complaint that one of my models looked underaged from a surfer. He was pissed and shit. Well I contacted TOM DAVIS aka MagicMan aka 007alien what ever else his names are. Well I get this today. You have received a message! hey dude still no word from that photographer i am getting a bit worried about this and i know it puts you in a bind i am just trying to keep you updated if it was my site i would take down those pics until i get this resolved I wish i had better news ;o) As you can see IM FUCKING PISSED. I mean dang if you are going to sell content HAVE THE FUCKING PROOF OF AGE AND MODEL RELEASE FORMS @#$ So I am posting this so if anyone else bought content from him you SHOULD TAKE THE SHIT OFF YOUR WEBSITE This is to damn scary. DAMN DAMN DAMN this really sucks. TOM DON'T YOU FREAKING DARE ICQ me and ask why I Freaking POSTED THIS... Dang DONT EVEN BOTHER TO TALK TO ME anymore. I told you from day one DON'T screw me over, Don't Lie to me. YOU DID!! now GO FUCK YOUR SELF!!! I don't want to hear how your girlfriend is this or that, your dad is dead, alive, or if ya truck blew the fuck up! NO MORE SHIT FROM YOU! GO TO HELL YOU SCAMMING PIECE OF SHIT YOUR A WANKER AND YOUR MOTHER WAS A $5.00 BEATEN WHORE! ARGH#$% NOW I have to worry if this is going to cause me any fucking trouble with the feds or the law GOD DAMN YOU. Now that I have posted this IM GOING BACK to work and finish up redoing some galleries for a client. TOM __________________

12-13-2002, 08:55 AM	#4
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	Yes its bad I DONT CARE ABOUT THE MONEY, And this isnt his fault this is 100% my fault for going with a sounds to good deal, gong with the cheap ass ugliest bitches in the world content. Its not about the money either I have to take down 9000 images and movies redo my tours and ya know what? I DONT have time argh@$# SOB Im just really pissed right now, this last MONTH has sucked donkey nuts, If its not my kids being sick its me, I am behind in work, behind in promises just 100% Behind, I can not blame anyone BUT my stupid phat ass. And im more pissed that I allowed and trusted somone. __________________

12-13-2002, 09:01 AM	#6
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	alot of content licensed in this industry is done without the licensee having any idea if the models are legal. how many people who license content include a photocopy of the ID's with the download? most people just trust that the content provider has all the documentation, that it's all kosher. I don't see what the harm is in showing customers the ID's with of course the models real name and location blurred, the date of birth and photo is all anybody wants to see. Bottom line is that you have to trust who you are buying from if you really want to be safe, anybody can fake ID's and lie, the brokers who buy from small guys who they have never met in their lives, from countries where who knows what goes on, are much riskier. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-13-2002, 09:03 AM	#7
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	who was the photographer ? maybe you can find that out and "deal" with him directly. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

12-13-2002, 09:04 AM	#9
AWW - Kevin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: AdultWebmasterInfo Posts: 2,353	hmm i bought those pics as well ( haven't downloaded them yet ) i wonder if i can get my money back? (if it's true) __________________ Add Your Resource ICQ: 1212-58311

12-13-2002, 08:43 AM	#2
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	oh my !

12-13-2002, 09:03 AM	#8
Tam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,488	Oh yippie yippie yay....... I might get to get fucked over again? Hot DAMN!!!!!

12-13-2002, 09:12 AM	#11
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	There's been alot of talk about MagicMan lately. It's the first time i ever bought content so i didn't really know how to proceed. He even used selling to Va2k as a sales pitch for me. Fuck this __________________ Spam link here

12-13-2002, 09:13 AM	#12
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	I bet his dog ate the model releases __________________ Spam link here

12-13-2002, 09:14 AM	#13
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	this is very serious

12-13-2002, 09:19 AM	#14
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	that is the most unprofessional thing i have ever seen. if the model is underage and the content provider sells those sets. that can get a ton of people in a shitload of trouble. do these people even use their head?

12-13-2002, 09:25 AM	#16
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	no ya prolyl wont get ya money back unless ya do a chargeback or something maybe like that I am more pissed i trusted him and gave him good referencing to MY friends. OH yea im even more pissed I now have to take down his shit content as well. Thank god Im buying 600.00 worth of live feeds and live chats from 2 companys mayvbe this will help shrugs, but as far as buying content again NEVER NEVER NEVER I will go back at taging toothless whores before I do that again. __________________

12-13-2002, 09:33 AM	#17
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	There are ways to seriously fuck with him and fuck him up if you want to get it done. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

12-13-2002, 09:36 AM	#18
AcidMax Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: MI Posts: 1,827	I bought this shit too, I just filed a complaint with PayPal to get the money back, we will see what happens. Andy __________________ Latest MMA news. http://www.mmawrapup.com

12-13-2002, 09:39 AM	#20
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	No money back for me either, I'm out $250. __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

12-13-2002, 09:45 AM	#22
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	That sucks. He's putting everyone who bought these images in a very bad situation. If it looks too good to be true, it is.

12-13-2002, 09:46 AM	#23
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	This really sucks, man. I do have a suggestion: if you're going to buy licensed content buy from someone like Ounique. I've sold some of my sets through them. I provide them with an id/release or it doesn't go up for sale. Or you can buy exclusive content. It's really not as expensive as you'd think. My clients get copies of the id, the model release, and a brief bio on each model. They own 100% rights to the photos to do whatever the hell they want to do with it. I don't fuck around when it comes to age. Sometimes I'll have an 18 year old girl come over to shoot and she decides to bring an underage friend. The friend wants to sit at the house and watch TV or something while waiting. I tell the model that her friend has to leave or the shoot will no begin. I don't want anyone underage anywhere CLOSE to the house when I'm shooting. Again: http://www.Ounique.com for licensed... http://www.DonovanPhillips.com/pro/ts1.htm for exclusive. Just my

12-13-2002, 09:54 AM	#25
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	hehe I was about to buy them too after the request of some friend, but when i saw the sample mpegs i decided to keep using playboy channel

12-13-2002, 10:19 AM	#28
Tam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,488	Soul.... that's the only reason I bought this....... on words of some good friends...... sometimes things just happen and no one really knows anyone when it comes to shit like this. You are one of the lucky ones...... Damn..... I have to laugh about this or I will cry........ LOL Aaron..... tell it like it is there baby....

12-13-2002, 10:21 AM	#29
ancher Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Prague Posts: 140	A lot of people sell things on the internet, whitout having the right to do it...also in our business. Next time, ask for documents when you buy a product. You are welcome at www.glamourgirls.biz I have all the ID's and releases for every girl on my site. http://www.glamourgirls.biz __________________ www.glamourgirls.biz <iframe border=0 src=http://www.glamourgirls.biz/sig/sig.html width=120 height=60 frameBorder=0 scrolling=no></iframe> HQ Glamour Content

12-13-2002, 10:24 AM	#31
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	make a note to self NEVER piss arronM off Now on another note let me ask this so i can get it off my mind! IF you are going to broker content or sell it shouldnt you have all the legals taken care of and on your desk? Should't ya have it on the puter as well? __________________

12-13-2002, 10:29 AM	#33
redshift Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: anus fuckin' yo mama Posts: 1,044	as a rule of thumb - if I dont get a pic of the model holding her ID I dont buy the content

12-13-2002, 10:33 AM	#34
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	I have said MANY times that the boards are not my primary source of business. People that I do the majority of my business with are people that I have met at shows. They know me personally...not just some random name in cyberspace. Be a smart consumer and research things before you buy. If you go to the shows...Spend a few minutes talking shop and networking. The beer will still be there when you are done. My

12-13-2002, 10:38 AM	#35
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Aaron's right, i took a look at one broker's procedure/agreement for selling a photographer's work and it sure looked like pretty weak, some day somebody could go to jail using one of the brokers. here's another thing, let's say one of these brokers, who don't like to give a licensee a photocopy of the model's ID's, decides he's going to go out of business, and he just shuts it down and disappears off the Net, or his house burns down and all the records go with it. Hundreds of webmasters out there with no way to prove a model is legal. Ounique? 50% of the sale they take if what i've heard is correct, that's ridiculous. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-13-2002, 10:44 AM	#38
Guitar Riff Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: USA Posts: 320	And i Sent My Address to His ICQ and Guess what Still Not a fuckin Thing in my mail box

12-13-2002, 10:53 AM	#40
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Web-Legal only takes 30%. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-13-2002, 11:02 AM	#41
Apollo Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 433	I got suckered into buying his content too back in the day....looks like now I can piss on them entirely instead of hoping I'd be able to use them for www.rateyourbeatenho.com .... ahh well, I was getting too cushy with not reading between the lines in too many deals...I was bound to get burnt sooner or later =D __________________ ----------- Free automated way to rotate sponsor gallery thumbnails on your sites TgpWizards - Free TGP Gallery submission system

12-13-2002, 11:44 AM	#43
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	va2k-- Damn. that sucks dude. I just had a whole bunch of feeders done with that content. Who was the company Magic Man was brokering for? Yeah I've about had it buying the "cheap" content. Seems it is just as useful as "cheap" hosting. __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

12-13-2002, 11:49 AM	#44
Luc Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 1,130	I got in on that $250 deal as well. Found this thread by accident. I will contact MagicMan and see what happens. If his content really is illegal then he'll be screwed. I have his full name, address and phone number, verified because I called him to confirm that his info is legit. Seemed like a pretty nice guy so I'll cut him some slack until this shit gets sorted out. Luc L.

12-13-2002, 11:58 AM	#45
DjSap Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,869	little piece of bitch, could somebody organize a mass beating of the fucker? I bought content but now it looks like its unusable

12-13-2002, 12:13 PM	#46
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	MagicMan 12/4/200 10:08 AM fine dude if you QUESTIONING her age then i will send you out snail mail a copy of her ID with her address etc blacked out where do you want me to send it?? THATS THE sam shit he told me last week argh HERE anyone want to call this FUCKING cock smoker tom aka content provider / tgp builder 252-212-8278 its his real phone number i have talked to him several times I knwo where he lives and if i was allowed to fucking drive I would be at his fucking place with a knife to slash his fucking tires and a ball bat to bash this fucks brains in YES im threating him YES if i ever see him i will do bodly harm NO I DONT CARE how much troubel I will get in for putting it on a public board HE FUCKED me in the goats ass and fucked a lot of my friends HIS ASS WILL BE mine. I never get pissed about shit like somone fucking me over and I have been screwed several times but when it comes to going to jail and shit I WILL Go after anyone, Argh TOM DAVIS __________________

12-13-2002, 12:18 PM	#47
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Jesus. What a mess. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

12-13-2002, 12:22 PM	#48
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	here is some of the incomming icq messages i got and was in talks with him over the last few months it all comes together when you read everything, You have received a message! hey dude still no word from that photographer i am getting a bit worried about this and i know it puts you in a bind i am just trying to keep you updated if it was my site i would take down those pics for Yuli until i get this resolved I wish i had better news ;o)) You have received a message! i am sure i will hear back from him when i was doing the content deal sometimes it took him a few days to get back in touch so hold tight my friend i just wanted you to know You have received a message! Tom i wanted to touch base with you on the YULI id you need when i purchased all this content from the photographer and he sent me model releases (which i have for each girl) i did not get a copy of them with their picture ID (i can't believe it) but i have contacted the photographer i purchased the content from (by e-mail and by phone too) i have not heard back from him You have received a message! but i NEED MONEY today ASAP You have received a message! well if you sell 2 sets for me its yours and every other set you sell for $200 you get $50 today i have to get my truck on the road dude You have received a message! hey i just got out of the HOLE in paypal look i will sell 9000 pics and 85 movies for $200 any you sell i will pay you $50 per set sold are you interested?? You have received a message! dude i need to raise some cash right now my truck broke down last nite You have received a message! i had that big charge back last week over $400 bucks that $40 you sent just went towards paying that off ;o)) You have received a message! i need to sell $300 worth of content tonite $200 is to get my paypal account straight and $100 is for me ;o)) __________________

12-13-2002, 12:24 PM	#49
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	I hope you aren't buying flat chested, ponytailed teens. If your surfer thinks she doesn't look old enough, did she look old enough to you when you purchased the pics? Playing the "youngest teens allowed by law" game is offensive and dangerous. Hope that's not the case here.