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Ludedude · 12-12-2002, 10:18 AM

I'm surprised no one's made s stink about this on the board yet. Must be that no one uses iBill any longer.

Per iBill's CMI:

ATTENTION ALL REVSHARER?S

By January 1st iBill will be consolidating your RevShare ID?s into a single payment solution. Which will allow us to offer ACH and/or Wire Transfer payments, giving you the ability to receive your money faster and easier then before.
Additionally, in order to comply with U.S. anti-money laundering laws, we will be requiring additional information to better identify RevSharers to whom we make payments on behalf of our Clients. iBill has no cause to believe that RevShare is being used (or even could be used) as a means of money laundering however U.S. regulations do ask that we have some knowledge about the parties to whom we are sending funds.

Over the next week or two we will be emailing you more information on our consolidation and payout processes in addition to your new entity username and password. You will use this username and password to login to your RevShare entity account and update any information we currently have. Please make sure to update all your RevShare ID(s) to your most current information. In addition to your current information we will be asking you to supply one of the following information in the registration process:

- Social Security Number
- Tax ID
- Passport Number
- License Number

You will also be asked to supply us with your bank/remittance locations information where you cash or deposit your current checks. We will be requesting the Name, Address, City, Country, and Zip.

Um, go fuck yourself. You want to know where I cash my checks? Figure it out from the cancelled ones you get back every 2 weeks.

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Originally posted by Carrie
Ibill is now *requiring* your RevShare affiliates to hand over the name and address of the banks where they CASH their checks - and can't give a reasonable explanation of WHY they want this private information that is none of their business.

Speaking with Cathy of Ibill on the Pond's board, she couldn't give a reason, but did mention "registering the RevSharers" and "identifying the RevSharers". Makes it seem like they're accumulating this information to hand over to someone else.

If you've got affiliates, you might want to think about using a processor that doesn't *require* private information that is none of their business in order to send out the checks.

FATPad · 12-12-2002, 10:22 AM

"Speaking with Cathy of Ibill on the Pond's board, she couldn't give a reason..."

LOL

Go figure.

Ludedude · 12-12-2002, 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by FATPad
"Speaking with Cathy of Ibill on the Pond's board, she couldn't give a reason..."

LOL

Go figure.

That would be because Cathy's a tool as far as I can tell. The queen of the drive-by excuses.

goBigtime · 12-12-2002, 10:28 AM

I wonder if it would be legal for them to deny you service or withold payments due if you opt'd to give them the finger about where you cash your checks. I mean if they reeeeeeally wanted to know, they (whoever they are now days) could find out themselves.

LUCL0NELY · 12-12-2002, 10:29 AM

Ludedude · 12-12-2002, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by goBigtime
I wonder if it would be legal for them to deny you service or withold payments due if you opt'd to give them the finger about where you cash your checks. I mean if they reeeeeeally wanted to know, they (whoever they are now days) could find out themselves.

It's so hard that it's stamped on the back of every cancelled check. They're endorsed with my company name and account number then the bank stamps them with their own branch information. If they feel like getting this information, they already have it, they're just too lazy to look for themselves. Fuck them. I cash my checks in Fiji.

Gemini · 12-12-2002, 11:13 AM

Soooo every 4 years we're supposed to resend them our DL?!

Yeah right.

We're going to request to see the legal order for this information... according to recent newscasts, to request this information requires some form of legal reason, not a "Just cuz we want it". No reason given - proven, they cannot refuse service.

Ludedude · 12-12-2002, 01:06 PM

I'd really be interested in seeing where they're legally compelled to demand our banking information as well.

Gemini, if you get this info from them, which I doubt you will, I'd love to see it. I suspect many of us would.

ZoiNk · 12-12-2002, 01:21 PM

Dear Ibill, my licence number is: 666-6969-666-1234
I Cash my cheques at Bob's Hash and Marijuana Inporium on Main Street, need Mark's house. In the town about 25 minutes from that place where Jim Bob got hit by a car. Go FUCK yourself Ibill.
ZoiNk

buran · 12-12-2002, 01:32 PM

Although I'm probably the only person to have tried using it for months, their Direct Integration testbed (http://di.ibill.com) is down with a invalid login, when using the test username and password outlined in the documentation. Placed a call earlier today, still not resolved.

So much for "premium account" support.

Ludedude · 12-12-2002, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by ZoiNk
Dear Ibill, my licence number is: 666-6969-666-1234
I Cash my cheques at Bob's Hash and Marijuana Inporium on Main Street, need Mark's house. In the town about 25 minutes from that place where Jim Bob got hit by a car. Go FUCK yourself Ibill.
ZoiNk

Shit, you know Bob?

Probono · 12-12-2002, 09:47 PM

I cannot speak for Ibill but I can say the IRS is requiring a W8BEN for all non US taxpayers who are paid. The W8BEN requires a US Taxpayer ID to be obtained. If you as a payor do not have a W8BEN with a TIN on file you must withhold 30% and pay it to the IRS.

ZoiNk · 12-13-2002, 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by Ludedude

Shit, you know Bob?

Yea man, I sold him his first paysite membership! Good old ultravideos back in '98

ZoiNk

Ludedude · 12-13-2002, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by Probono
I cannot speak for Ibill but I can say the IRS is requiring a W8BEN for all non US taxpayers who are paid. The W8BEN requires a US Taxpayer ID to be obtained. If you as a payor do not have a W8BEN with a TIN on file you must withhold 30% and pay it to the IRS.

I hear ya...I have no problem with anyone who pays me money asking for my federal EIN. We're a US corporation and giving out an EIN is standard procedure with vendors/customers etc. The issue is with those fuckwads asking me about where I do my banking.

vglover · 12-13-2002, 12:50 AM

Why is the expression "customer service" not listed in their dictionary?

iBill-Cathy · 12-13-2002, 11:28 AM

All, due to anti-money laundring laws, iBill needs to know each and every client that we are paying. This includes our RevSharers. We are currently not required to report this information. iBill values your privacy and will not disclose any of your information unless we are required by law. If you have specific concerns, please contact me at communication@iBill and I will work with our legal team to ensure that you are comfortable with the process.

BVF · 12-13-2002, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
All, due to anti-money laundring laws, iBill needs to know each and every client that we are paying. This includes our RevSharers. We are currently not required to report this information. iBill values your privacy and will not disclose any of your information unless we are required by law. If you have specific concerns, please contact me at communication@iBill and I will work with our legal team to ensure that you are comfortable with the process.

If you're not required to report it, why don't you just wait until law DOES require you to disclose the information? Then you would collect it and hand it over.

And I was just about to give Funkycash a spin next month....too bad...

Ludedude · 12-13-2002, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
All, due to anti-money laundring laws, iBill needs to know each and every client that we are paying. This includes our RevSharers. We are currently not required to report this information. iBill values your privacy and will not disclose any of your information unless we are required by law. If you have specific concerns, please contact me at communication@iBill and I will work with our legal team to ensure that you are comfortable with the process.

Another drive-by Cathy? How about you come back here and revisit the thread to answer some questions for a change? I know, it's wishful thinking on our part but I'll let me fantasy carry me away for a minute or three.

You already know each and every client you're paying by virtue of the fact that you're cutting a few thousand checks every two weeks to them.

If you want to ask for SSN/EIN information then that's cool. I'm actually surprised that you've never asked for it in the past.

What in the world gives you the RIGHT to ask me where I do my banking? Every time I put on a pair of underwear do you want to know what brand and where I bought them? If I change banks is it incumbent on me to inform you of my choices?

Bottom line, you already know that since you know exactly where and when your checks are cashed. It's not rocket science. I see where my vendors are cashing my checks by just looking at the damn things.

Please answer the question...show me where you're required to collect my banking information; even better show me where I'm required by law tp give it to you.

Waiting with bated breath...

Backov · 12-13-2002, 01:03 PM

Every time IBill comes up, I just get more and more glad I don't do biz with them. CCBill should be paying them, IBill makes them look like gods.

Cheers,
Backov

iBill-Cathy · 12-13-2002, 01:22 PM

For US clients we will be requiring a SSN or Tax ID, the banking information will be optional. For our International RevSharers the banking information will be required as it is our best way of indentifying who they are.

BVF · 12-13-2002, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
For US clients we will be requiring a SSN or Tax ID, the banking information will be optional. For our International RevSharers the banking information will be required as it is our best way of indentifying who they are.

See NOW she says the banking stuff is optional....Notice how she left out the drivers license requirement. I'm not going to provide information like that for a revshare when my own billing company for my own site doesn't ask for it...That's ridiculous.

Ludedude · 12-13-2002, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
For US clients we will be requiring a SSN or Tax ID, the banking information will be optional. For our International RevSharers the banking information will be required as it is our best way of indentifying who they are.

Thank you for answering Cathy.

Some of your clients are putting up false information on the revshare CMI login pages. You might want to educate them about that.

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12-12-2002, 01:06 PM	#8
Ludedude Suck it! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Who wants to know? Posts: 4,432	I'd really be interested in seeing where they're legally compelled to demand our banking information as well. Gemini, if you get this info from them, which I doubt you will, I'd love to see it. I suspect many of us would. __________________

12-12-2002, 01:21 PM	#9
ZoiNk Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,370	Dear Ibill, my licence number is: 666-6969-666-1234 I Cash my cheques at Bob's Hash and Marijuana Inporium on Main Street, need Mark's house. In the town about 25 minutes from that place where Jim Bob got hit by a car. Go FUCK yourself Ibill. ZoiNk __________________ "People can have the Model T in any color - so long as it's black." - Henry Ford

12-12-2002, 01:32 PM	#10
buran Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: how'd I get here? Posts: 264	Although I'm probably the only person to have tried using it for months, their Direct Integration testbed (http://di.ibill.com) is down with a invalid login, when using the test username and password outlined in the documentation. Placed a call earlier today, still not resolved. So much for "premium account" support. __________________ [this signature intentionally left blank]

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goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	I wonder if it would be legal for them to deny you service or withold payments due if you opt'd to give them the finger about where you cash your checks. I mean if they reeeeeeally wanted to know, they (whoever they are now days) could find out themselves.

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Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	Soooo every 4 years we're supposed to resend them our DL?! Yeah right. We're going to request to see the legal order for this information... according to recent newscasts, to request this information requires some form of legal reason, not a "Just cuz we want it". No reason given - proven, they cannot refuse service.

12-12-2002, 09:47 PM	#12
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	I cannot speak for Ibill but I can say the IRS is requiring a W8BEN for all non US taxpayers who are paid. The W8BEN requires a US Taxpayer ID to be obtained. If you as a payor do not have a W8BEN with a TIN on file you must withhold 30% and pay it to the IRS.

12-13-2002, 11:28 AM	#16
iBill-Cathy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 61	All, due to anti-money laundring laws, iBill needs to know each and every client that we are paying. This includes our RevSharers. We are currently not required to report this information. iBill values your privacy and will not disclose any of your information unless we are required by law. If you have specific concerns, please contact me at communication@iBill and I will work with our legal team to ensure that you are comfortable with the process.

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Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	Every time IBill comes up, I just get more and more glad I don't do biz with them. CCBill should be paying them, IBill makes them look like gods. Cheers, Backov __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

12-13-2002, 01:22 PM	#20
iBill-Cathy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 61	For US clients we will be requiring a SSN or Tax ID, the banking information will be optional. For our International RevSharers the banking information will be required as it is our best way of indentifying who they are.