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Ludedude 12-12-2002 10:18 AM

Yay iBill!
 
I'm surprised no one's made s stink about this on the board yet. Must be that no one uses iBill any longer.

Per iBill's CMI:

ATTENTION ALL REVSHARER?S

By January 1st iBill will be consolidating your RevShare ID?s into a single payment solution. Which will allow us to offer ACH and/or Wire Transfer payments, giving you the ability to receive your money faster and easier then before.
Additionally, in order to comply with U.S. anti-money laundering laws, we will be requiring additional information to better identify RevSharers to whom we make payments on behalf of our Clients. iBill has no cause to believe that RevShare is being used (or even could be used) as a means of money laundering however U.S. regulations do ask that we have some knowledge about the parties to whom we are sending funds.

Over the next week or two we will be emailing you more information on our consolidation and payout processes in addition to your new entity username and password. You will use this username and password to login to your RevShare entity account and update any information we currently have. Please make sure to update all your RevShare ID(s) to your most current information. In addition to your current information we will be asking you to supply one of the following information in the registration process:

- Social Security Number
- Tax ID
- Passport Number
- License Number

You will also be asked to supply us with your bank/remittance locations information where you cash or deposit your current checks. We will be requesting the Name, Address, City, Country, and Zip.



Um, go fuck yourself. You want to know where I cash my checks? Figure it out from the cancelled ones you get back every 2 weeks. :feels-hot :321GFY

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie
Ibill is now *requiring* your RevShare affiliates to hand over the name and address of the banks where they CASH their checks - and can't give a reasonable explanation of WHY they want this private information that is none of their business.

Speaking with Cathy of Ibill on the Pond's board, she couldn't give a reason, but did mention "registering the RevSharers" and "identifying the RevSharers". Makes it seem like they're accumulating this information to hand over to someone else.

If you've got affiliates, you might want to think about using a processor that doesn't *require* private information that is none of their business in order to send out the checks.


FATPad 12-12-2002 10:22 AM

"Speaking with Cathy of Ibill on the Pond's board, she couldn't give a reason..."

LOL

Go figure.

Ludedude 12-12-2002 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
"Speaking with Cathy of Ibill on the Pond's board, she couldn't give a reason..."

LOL

Go figure.

That would be because Cathy's a tool as far as I can tell. The queen of the drive-by excuses. :1orglaugh

goBigtime 12-12-2002 10:28 AM

I wonder if it would be legal for them to deny you service or withold payments due if you opt'd to give them the finger about where you cash your checks. I mean if they reeeeeeally wanted to know, they (whoever they are now days) could find out themselves.

LUCL0NELY 12-12-2002 10:29 AM

:1orglaugh

Ludedude 12-12-2002 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime
I wonder if it would be legal for them to deny you service or withold payments due if you opt'd to give them the finger about where you cash your checks. I mean if they reeeeeeally wanted to know, they (whoever they are now days) could find out themselves.
It's so hard that it's stamped on the back of every cancelled check. They're endorsed with my company name and account number then the bank stamps them with their own branch information. If they feel like getting this information, they already have it, they're just too lazy to look for themselves. Fuck them. I cash my checks in Fiji.

Gemini 12-12-2002 11:13 AM

Soooo every 4 years we're supposed to resend them our DL?! :Graucho Yeah right. :1orglaugh

We're going to request to see the legal order for this information... according to recent newscasts, to request this information requires some form of legal reason, not a "Just cuz we want it". No reason given - proven, they cannot refuse service.

Ludedude 12-12-2002 01:06 PM

I'd really be interested in seeing where they're legally compelled to demand our banking information as well.

Gemini, if you get this info from them, which I doubt you will, I'd love to see it. I suspect many of us would.

ZoiNk 12-12-2002 01:21 PM

Dear Ibill, my licence number is: 666-6969-666-1234
I Cash my cheques at Bob's Hash and Marijuana Inporium on Main Street, need Mark's house. In the town about 25 minutes from that place where Jim Bob got hit by a car. Go FUCK yourself Ibill.
ZoiNk

buran 12-12-2002 01:32 PM

Although I'm probably the only person to have tried using it for months, their Direct Integration testbed (http://di.ibill.com) is down with a invalid login, when using the test username and password outlined in the documentation. Placed a call earlier today, still not resolved.

So much for "premium account" support.

Ludedude 12-12-2002 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZoiNk
Dear Ibill, my licence number is: 666-6969-666-1234
I Cash my cheques at Bob's Hash and Marijuana Inporium on Main Street, need Mark's house. In the town about 25 minutes from that place where Jim Bob got hit by a car. Go FUCK yourself Ibill.
ZoiNk

Shit, you know Bob? :thumbsup :winkwink:

Probono 12-12-2002 09:47 PM

I cannot speak for Ibill but I can say the IRS is requiring a W8BEN for all non US taxpayers who are paid. The W8BEN requires a US Taxpayer ID to be obtained. If you as a payor do not have a W8BEN with a TIN on file you must withhold 30% and pay it to the IRS.

ZoiNk 12-13-2002 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ludedude


Shit, you know Bob? :thumbsup :winkwink:

Yea man, I sold him his first paysite membership! Good old ultravideos back in '98

ZoiNk

Ludedude 12-13-2002 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Probono
I cannot speak for Ibill but I can say the IRS is requiring a W8BEN for all non US taxpayers who are paid. The W8BEN requires a US Taxpayer ID to be obtained. If you as a payor do not have a W8BEN with a TIN on file you must withhold 30% and pay it to the IRS.
I hear ya...I have no problem with anyone who pays me money asking for my federal EIN. We're a US corporation and giving out an EIN is standard procedure with vendors/customers etc. The issue is with those fuckwads asking me about where I do my banking.

vglover 12-13-2002 12:50 AM

Why is the expression "customer service" not listed in their dictionary?

iBill-Cathy 12-13-2002 11:28 AM

All, due to anti-money laundring laws, iBill needs to know each and every client that we are paying. This includes our RevSharers. We are currently not required to report this information. iBill values your privacy and will not disclose any of your information unless we are required by law. If you have specific concerns, please contact me at communication@iBill and I will work with our legal team to ensure that you are comfortable with the process.

BVF 12-13-2002 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
All, due to anti-money laundring laws, iBill needs to know each and every client that we are paying. This includes our RevSharers. We are currently not required to report this information. iBill values your privacy and will not disclose any of your information unless we are required by law. If you have specific concerns, please contact me at communication@iBill and I will work with our legal team to ensure that you are comfortable with the process.
If you're not required to report it, why don't you just wait until law DOES require you to disclose the information? Then you would collect it and hand it over.

And I was just about to give Funkycash a spin next month....too bad...

Ludedude 12-13-2002 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
All, due to anti-money laundring laws, iBill needs to know each and every client that we are paying. This includes our RevSharers. We are currently not required to report this information. iBill values your privacy and will not disclose any of your information unless we are required by law. If you have specific concerns, please contact me at communication@iBill and I will work with our legal team to ensure that you are comfortable with the process.
Another drive-by Cathy? How about you come back here and revisit the thread to answer some questions for a change? I know, it's wishful thinking on our part but I'll let me fantasy carry me away for a minute or three.

You already know each and every client you're paying by virtue of the fact that you're cutting a few thousand checks every two weeks to them.

If you want to ask for SSN/EIN information then that's cool. I'm actually surprised that you've never asked for it in the past.

What in the world gives you the RIGHT to ask me where I do my banking? Every time I put on a pair of underwear do you want to know what brand and where I bought them? If I change banks is it incumbent on me to inform you of my choices?

Bottom line, you already know that since you know exactly where and when your checks are cashed. It's not rocket science. I see where my vendors are cashing my checks by just looking at the damn things.

Please answer the question...show me where you're required to collect my banking information; even better show me where I'm required by law tp give it to you.

Waiting with bated breath...:glugglug

Backov 12-13-2002 01:03 PM

Every time IBill comes up, I just get more and more glad I don't do biz with them. CCBill should be paying them, IBill makes them look like gods.

Cheers,
Backov

iBill-Cathy 12-13-2002 01:22 PM

For US clients we will be requiring a SSN or Tax ID, the banking information will be optional. For our International RevSharers the banking information will be required as it is our best way of indentifying who they are.

BVF 12-13-2002 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
For US clients we will be requiring a SSN or Tax ID, the banking information will be optional. For our International RevSharers the banking information will be required as it is our best way of indentifying who they are.

See NOW she says the banking stuff is optional....Notice how she left out the drivers license requirement. I'm not going to provide information like that for a revshare when my own billing company for my own site doesn't ask for it...That's ridiculous.

Ludedude 12-13-2002 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
For US clients we will be requiring a SSN or Tax ID, the banking information will be optional. For our International RevSharers the banking information will be required as it is our best way of indentifying who they are.
Thank you for answering Cathy.

Some of your clients are putting up false information on the revshare CMI login pages. You might want to educate them about that.


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