Should Joe Wilson Step Down? - GoFuckYourself.com

Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-11-2009, 08:48 AM

No matter what youe politics are, I think this guy steped over the line in disrespecting the office of president of the United States.

Even if you hate Obama and wish the worst things possible on him, I feel this guy was out of line.

Your thoughts?

DateDoc · 09-11-2009, 08:53 AM

So he should not be allowed to say what he wants under the 1st Amendment?

Tom_PM · 09-11-2009, 08:57 AM

He should be publically censured IMHO. But what should happen is happening, his seat has gone from basically a lock, to being "in play", with half a million dollars in donations (so far) being raked in by his competitor in his upcoming election.

Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-11-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc

So he should not be allowed to say what he wants under the 1st Amendment?

No I am not saying that at all

I am saying that there is a time and a place for everything and as a member of gov he behaved like a crazy child.

He could have setup a press conference or did anything other than direspect the office of president of the united states in the manner that he did ... very foolish IMHO

This is not some 3rd world country, we have protocol and law here

Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-11-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

He should be publically censured IMHO. But what should happen is happening, his seat has gone from basically a lock, to being "in play", with half a million dollars in donations (so far) being raked in by his competitor in his upcoming election.

I agree

700k in donations to his competitor. I bet the majority of people from SC are ashamed

KillerK · 09-11-2009, 09:07 AM

who cares, most of us that don't have Obamas dick in their hand are ok he said it.

Hell the 1st lady is already turning the 1st lady into ghettoness.

LAJ · 09-11-2009, 09:29 AM

Whether he steps down or not, his lack of decorum and respect will follow him throughout what's left of his political career.

xxxdesign-net · 09-11-2009, 09:38 AM

Politicians lie like they breath... Isn't strange how people get outraged and scream scandal because someone called another a liar but whenever a politician/president lie to the population, it is swept under the rug as no big deal, politic as usual...?

Monique Niccole · 09-11-2009, 09:40 AM

People need to get a grip. Calling the President a liar, even if it is in the middle of a speech is not a "stepdown-able" offense. It's rude, it deserves some bad press, but good lord people need to get thicker skin and move the fuck on.

nation-x · 09-11-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Monique Niccole

People need to get a grip. Calling the President a liar, even if it is in the middle of a speech is not a "stepdown-able" offense. It's rude, it deserves some bad press, but good lord people need to get thicker skin and move the fuck on.

Tom_PM · 09-11-2009, 10:05 AM

Yes of course, thats why a censure is appropriate. It's a word for a reason, lol.

And the election will take care of the rest, if his people want him he'll stay, if not he'll go. That part is no skin off anyones nose.

But, people who are upset are not upset because they think Obama is god or something, and there are things that transcend politics. The simple fact is that wilson is one rude motherfucker to have lost his control in the one place that should have commanded respect. It doesnt matter who the president is. It's the office that deserves respect, and it's the house that has rules of decorum people. Stop playing it like it was OK for ANY reason, because it wasn't and to think or say otherwise is pure ignorance.

His "apology" was such a piece of shit. My leaders said I should tell the president that my remarks were inappropriate and so I've done so. Oh gee, thanks ever so much cocksucker. Have you punched a kitty today?

baddog · 09-11-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Princeton Cash

Your thoughts?

You're an idiot.

Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-11-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Yes of course, thats why a censure is appropriate. It's a word for a reason, lol.

And the election will take care of the rest, if his people want him he'll stay, if not he'll go. That part is no skin off anyones nose.

But, people who are upset are not upset because they think Obama is god or something, and there are things that transcend politics. The simple fact is that wilson is one rude motherfucker to have lost his control in the one place that should have commanded respect. It doesnt matter who the president is. It's the office that deserves respect, and it's the house that has rules of decorum people. Stop playing it like it was OK for ANY reason, because it wasn't and to think or say otherwise is pure ignorance.

His "apology" was such a piece of shit. My leaders said I should tell the president that my remarks were inappropriate and so I've done so. Oh gee, thanks ever so much cocksucker. Have you punched a kitty today?

Exactly!

Amazing how many people do not understand the complexities of power and respect.

What this guy did was so much bigger than Obama that only the most intelligent can understand the potential ramifications and slippery slope this guy is playing with.

Lets hope the upcoming election gives this guy a crash course in reality

Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-11-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You're an idiot.

the feeling is mutual old man ... very mutual

selena · 09-11-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Yes of course, thats why a censure is appropriate. It's a word for a reason, lol.

And the election will take care of the rest, if his people want him he'll stay, if not he'll go. That part is no skin off anyones nose.

But, people who are upset are not upset because they think Obama is god or something, and there are things that transcend politics. The simple fact is that wilson is one rude motherfucker to have lost his control in the one place that should have commanded respect. It doesnt matter who the president is. It's the office that deserves respect, and it's the house that has rules of decorum people. Stop playing it like it was OK for ANY reason, because it wasn't and to think or say otherwise is pure ignorance.

His "apology" was such a piece of shit. My leaders said I should tell the president that my remarks were inappropriate and so I've done so. Oh gee, thanks ever so much cocksucker. Have you punched a kitty today?

Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-11-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Politicians lie like they breath... Isn't strange how people get outraged and scream scandal because someone called another a liar but whenever a politician/president lie to the population, it is swept under the rug as no big deal, politic as usual...?

Let me ask you a question

Lets say everyone in this thread is at webmaster access later this month and hugh hefner stands up and starts to give a speech on the porn industry.

While hes talking about the future of the industry and saying that porn will be around forever ... some old biker who happens to be an adult.com affiliate stands up and heckles Hugh

He blurts out " YOURE A LIAR"

All the industry people turn around to look at this guy like WTF?

Should he be escorted out?

Should he remain an afiliate?

Its not about what he said .. or how he said it

Its a matter of respect for the structure of leadership and power ... it exist for a reason

Smiley · 09-11-2009, 10:24 AM

its a respect thing...if we allow ppl to shoutout anytime they want then we are no better than the countries that start fights in the middle of their meetings...it was a dumb move, yes there should be some sort of punishment, as even his own party rode him for disrespecting the president... 1st ad or not, there is a time & place...he showed that he cannot control his emotions, which to me shows that he lacks what it takes to make educated decisions and will side with emotions vs facts...

but for ppl to all get bent out of shape because harsh words were spoken by the president..guess what?...you need those harsh words when ppl liar & cheat not because they dont believe in what you are saying, but because they are being loyal to party lines...i call bullshit on both parties for the tit for tat politics that they are spewing...neither party is going to actually help the american people first..they are more interested in what lines their pockets (oil, drug, medical, car companies)...no matter what anyone says, the Dems HAVE tried to work with Republicans...but so many Republicans are against anything a Dem has to offer...they hide behind their party lines and fight every inch just because they cant admit they fucked up the country for the last eight years and god forbid they actually might like what the other party might have to say...demolish BOTH parties and have none...make a politician like a manager WE THE PEOPLE hire and if they fuck up...we should be able to fire his ass...no impeachments, no drawn out bullshit...if any of you had an affiliate manager, content manager, office manager etc that did this kind of shit, youd can his/her ass...our problem is we are afraid of our govt, not the other way around...govt rules our lives and keeps us on a chain for their benefit....

i agree that ALL of america needs to get a thicker skin and learn to laugh at ourselves..but its easier to bitch & moan about stupid trival things than actually get your hands dirty and change the countries direction...i always say that we are stepping backwards in unifying the country...everything anyone says can be made to be offensive...thank god for Mel Brooks back in his day for making great movies that made fun of ppl for humor...he would be called a racist, and ran out out of town if he ever made his movies today.....grow a pair, get thicker skin and stop apoligizing for stupid shit...

my idea a third party full of NON religious, NON corporate funded, scientific (facts vs bible) people that are not afraid to say...I dont believe in religion, religion has no part in politics, i believe in gun rights, but lets be smart about it and use the technology of today to make them safer, i do believe in abortion, sorry life does not begin at orgasm...make election day an actual holiday (ok, lazy americans, you show you voted, you get paid for the day off...didnt vote, no pay...since we would figure a way to take the day off and not vote)....

this country needs to get its head out of chinas ass and rethink what it is to be an american, what it will take to lead again and stop all the corporate sponsered politics, stop all the bullshit and really run the country like a solid business...our founding fathers are probably rolling over in their graves at what they start has turned into such a fucked up country and how these "so called" politicians for the people could give two shits about us...

sorry, a simple comment turned into a rant....ill step off my soapbox, i could go on...

<steps down>

smax · 09-11-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Princeton Cash

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What this guy did was so much bigger than Obama that only the most intelligent can understand the potential ramifications and slippery slope this guy is playing with.

This is funny on many levels but for the boards amusement I'd love to hear you expound on this

Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-11-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by smax

This is funny on many levels but for the boards amusement I'd love to hear you expound on this

here ya go

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Originally Posted by Princeton Cash

Let me ask you a question

Lets say everyone in this thread is at webmaster access later this month and hugh hefner stands up and starts to give a speech on the porn industry.

While hes talking about the future of the industry and saying that porn will be around forever ... some old biker who happens to be an adult.com affiliate stands up and heckles Hugh

He blurts out " YOURE A LIAR"

All the industry people turn around to look at this guy like WTF?

Should he be escorted out?

Should he remain an afiliate?

Its not about what he said .. or how he said it

Its a matter of respect for the structure of leadership and power ... it exist for a reason

smax · 09-11-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Princeton Cash

here ya go

So you are equating congress to wma?

Sorry not seeing it might have helped your argument a bit by not trying to be a pompous asshole but I digress, Monique Niccole said it best

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Originally Posted by Monique Niccole

People need to get a grip. Calling the President a liar, even if it is in the middle of a speech is not a "stepdown-able" offense. It's rude, it deserves some bad press, but good lord people need to get thicker skin and move the fuck on.

WarChild · 09-11-2009, 10:36 AM

Of course you're a big Obama fan. What with you being a flat out liar too, Andre.

Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-11-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Of course you're a big Obama fan. What with you being a flat out liar too, Andre.

Hi troll .. care to name one thing I lied about?

xxxdesign-net · 09-11-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Princeton Cash

Let me ask you a question

Lets say everyone in this thread is at webmaster access later this month and hugh hefner stands up and starts to give a speech on the porn industry.

While hes talking about the future of the industry and saying that porn will be around forever ... some old biker who happens to be an adult.com affiliate stands up and heckles Hugh

He blurts out " YOURE A LIAR"

All the industry people turn around to look at this guy like WTF?

Should he be escorted out?

Should he remain an afiliate?

Its not about what he said .. or how he said it

Its a matter of respect for the structure of leadership and power ... it exist for a reason

but you miss my point entirely... Why is calling someone a liar less tolerated than a politician actually lying to you...? What is most disrespectful? Why the population and the press do not really care for exemple if the press secretary lies to them every single day..?

and to answer your post.... if booing is allowed, and emotion allowed to run high, if Hugh tells half the crowd they are lying when they say the industry is in bad shape and proceed to tell a lie according to that same crowd, then perhaps there's going to be a risk that someone take offense to it and shout, "no you lie" while others are booing .. And republicans arent affiliates of the President btw lol

WarChild · 09-11-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Princeton Cash

Hi troll .. care to name one thing I lied about?

1) Well when you originally started posting under this nick, you denied up and down that it was in fact you. Remember when you were talking between your old (now banned) Pussyserver Nick and this one? You flat out said that Princeton Cash was NOT PussyServer. You've since abandoned that position all together and more or less flat out admitted what everyone always knew. You are PussyServer. Busted in a lie.

2) You claim Asshatshitty.com your first site is a great converter getting a lot of traffic. Last time I looked (A week ago or so) it had moved absolutely nowhere in any major ranking system and Alexa was reporting a grand total of 2 incoming links.

Facts: The site neither converts nor has any traffic. Two lies from one big failure.

There you go champ, caught lying at least twice.

I'm not sure what's funnier. The fact that you're such a failure or the fact that you believe you have anyone convinced you're not.

Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-11-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by smax

So you are equating congress to wma?

Not at all ... but I think the fact that even on such a small scale as WMA that the established structure of leadership should and would be respected

I only used WMA in an effort to give everyone reading something closer to home to relate the situation too.

The guy in my example would not have been tolerated at WMA as he would have stepped over the undrawn line in the sand .... now scale that up to the office of the president of the united states

... think about it

SoloGirlsContent · 09-11-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Princeton Cash

No matter what youe politics are, I think this guy steped over the line in disrespecting the office of president of the United States.

Even if you hate Obama and wish the worst things possible on him, I feel this guy was out of line.

Your thoughts?

yea that bitch needs to go

bushwacker · 09-11-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

1) Well when you originally started posting under this nick, you denied up and down that it was in fact you. Remember when you were talking between your old (now banned) Pussyserver Nick and this one? You flat out said that Princeton Cash was NOT PussyServer. You've since abandoned that position all together and more or less flat out admitted what everyone always knew. You are PussyServer. Busted in a lie.

2) You claim Asshatshitty.com your first site is a great converter getting a lot of traffic. Last time I looked (A week ago or so) it had moved absolutely nowhere in any major ranking system and Alexa was reporting a grand total of 2 incoming links.

Facts: The site neither converts nor has any traffic. Two lies from one big failure.

There you go champ, caught lying at least twice.

I'm not sure what's funnier. The fact that you're such a failure or the fact that you believe you have anyone convinced you're not.

PWNED!!

Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-11-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

1) Well when you originally started posting under this nick, you denied up and down that it was in fact you. Remember when you were talking between your old (now banned) Pussyserver Nick and this one? You flat out said that Princeton Cash was NOT PussyServer. You've since abandoned that position all together and more or less flat out admitted what everyone always knew. You are PussyServer. Busted in a lie.

2) You claim Asshatshitty.com your first site is a great converter getting a lot of traffic. Last time I looked (A week ago or so) it had moved absolutely nowhere in any major ranking system and Alexa was reporting a grand total of 2 incoming links.

Facts: The site neither converts nor has any traffic. Two lies from one big failure.

There you go champ, caught lying at least twice.

I'm not sure what's funnier. The fact that you're such a failure or the fact that you believe you have anyone convinced you're not.

You are an idiot .. no need to reply to any of that gibberish

On ignore you go buddy .. time is too short to even waste time reading anything you write as it is obvious you are deranged.

Take it easy fella

heres a

for you ... savor it while you can

WarChild · 09-11-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Princeton Cash

You are an idiot .. no need to reply to any of that gibberish

On ignore you go buddy .. time is too short to even waste time reading anything you write as it is obvious you are deranged.

Take it easy fella

heres a

for you ... savor it while you can

You're right in at least one thing. When you've been totally owned, best to just run away and be quiet.

Axeman · 09-11-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Monique Niccole

People need to get a grip. Calling the President a liar, even if it is in the middle of a speech is not a "stepdown-able" offense. It's rude, it deserves some bad press, but good lord people need to get thicker skin and move the fuck on.

crockett · 09-11-2009, 10:48 AM

Should he step down because he blurted out a dumb commit.. I don't think so.. Should he not be vote into office again, because the only real reason he made the dumb commit, was because he most of his campaign funding from big business medical industry.. Well yes.

While it's out of place, heckling has always gone on and it was way worse back in the days of our founders. I don't think they would think it was too big of a deal. However I'm pretty damn sure they would be spinning in their graves knowing how much special interest/big business controls our current day politics.

Over Joe Wilson’s congressional career, health professionals represent Wilson’s top industry contributors, donating a total of $244,196 to his campaign. He received another $86,150 from pharmaceutical companies, $73,050 from insurance companies and $68,000 from hospitals and nursing homes.

I think that's the real reason he is pissed off about health care reform..

Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-11-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Should he step down because he blurted out a dumb commit.. I don't think so.. Should he not be vote into office again, because the only real reason he made the dumb commit, was because he most of his campaign funding from big business medical industry.. Well yes.

While it's out of place, heckling has always gone on and it was way worse back in the days of our founders. I don't think they would think it was too big of a deal. However I'm pretty damn sure they would be spinning in their graves knowing how much special interest/big business controls our current day politics.

Over Joe Wilson?s congressional career, health professionals represent Wilson?s top industry contributors, donating a total of $244,196 to his campaign. He received another $86,150 from pharmaceutical companies, $73,050 from insurance companies and $68,000 from hospitals and nursing homes.

I think that's the real reason he is pissed off about health care reform..

WOW!! I am suprised that no one is talking about this.

Now I have to go research this guy

thanks!

Bossman · 09-11-2009, 11:01 AM

No wonder the US is losing control of the power... You need to grow thinker skin - ex. have you ever watched British politics?

TampaToker · 09-11-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Should he step down because he blurted out a dumb commit.. I don't think so.. Should he not be vote into office again, because the only real reason he made the dumb commit, was because he most of his campaign funding from big business medical industry.. Well yes.

While it's out of place, heckling has always gone on and it was way worse back in the days of our founders. I don't think they would think it was too big of a deal. However I'm pretty damn sure they would be spinning in their graves knowing how much special interest/big business controls our current day politics.

Over Joe Wilson?s congressional career, health professionals represent Wilson?s top industry contributors, donating a total of $244,196 to his campaign. He received another $86,150 from pharmaceutical companies, $73,050 from insurance companies and $68,000 from hospitals and nursing homes.

I think that's the real reason he is pissed off about health care reform..

Bingo

theking · 09-11-2009, 11:06 AM

It is my understanding that he violated the rules by disrespecting the President and that he could be censured...but apparently he is not going to be.

docputer · 09-11-2009, 11:08 AM

Should he resign? No. It is up to his district to decide if he stays at next election.
Was it wrong to do. Absolutely
But at least he didn't throw a shoe.

Tom_PM · 09-11-2009, 11:17 AM

He's bought adwords ad for the term you lie. Punch it in, lol.

oops, I clicked it and got this:

Service Unavailable

HTTP Error 503. The service is unavailable.

escorpio · 09-11-2009, 11:17 AM

Joe Wilson is lucky Obama doesn't bust a cap in his ass. Negroes take being "dissed" very seriously.

Raven · 09-11-2009, 11:30 AM

say it. don't say it.
but, if you say something, stick to your guns and do not apologise, no matter what the forum, the place, the time, the subject, etc...even if it means going down with your ship.
stick to your guns or beliefs and the hell with decorum, respect, whatever.

but if the person is going to apologise, the power of what was said is now diluted.

and, if the person apologises with a backwards childish apology, then his opponent will raise more money. and, then when that person tries it a second time and it's still not a real apology nor is it sincere, he will most likely lose the election, because....that, folks.....is politics.

movin' on.

onwebcam · 09-11-2009, 11:38 AM

Didn't Obama call pretty much anyone who disagreed with him a liar in a round about way in the same speech? That's beside the fact that Wilson was telling the truth when he said it.

Tom_PM · 09-11-2009, 11:42 AM

No he didnt. He called the lies, lies. And said if people misrepresent the facts, he'll call them out.

2012 · 09-11-2009, 11:45 AM

I've never seen anything like that before. Have you ? Bush got up there and lied his ass off numerous times. Most presidents do, isn't that part of the gig ? Never heard somebody disrupt the Presidents speech like that before.

I think it has to be a racial thing. White people are losing their fucking minds and it's funny to watch actually ... might as well laugh about it.

DaddyHalbucks · 09-11-2009, 11:48 AM

How about the Dems who "booed" GWB. Did you call for their resignation too?

baddog · 09-11-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Princeton Cash

Hi troll .. care to name one thing I lied about?

Let's see.

Marriott Hotel: Lied that you were trying to get a job when the reality is that you were intentionally applying for a job you were not qualified for in expectation of being denied so you could file a lawsuit that this decision was based on race.

Toy store robbery.

That your domain ahshshshaaaa.com was pulling in the hits.

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Originally Posted by escorpio

Joe Wilson is lucky Obama doesn't bust a cap in his ass. Negroes take being "dissed" very seriously.

Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-11-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

How about the Dems who "booed" GWB. Did you call for their resignation too?

Do you have a link?

TampaToker · 09-11-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

How about the Dems who "booed" GWB. Did you call for their resignation too?

So was he right or wrong by calling Obama a liar on this issue. Figure i would ask you since
i cant get anyone to answer me on fox's new site

onwebcam · 09-11-2009, 12:03 PM

The problem is that they aren't lies.

CRS Report: Treatment of NonCitizens in HR 3200:
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/R40773_20090825.pdf

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(See pg 7) Exchange

Under H.R. 3200, a ?Health Insurance Exchange? would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option. The Exchange would not be an insurer; it would provide eligible individuals and small businesses with access to insurers? plans, including the public option, in a comparable way. Individuals would only be eligible to enroll in an Exchange plan if they were not enrolled in other acceptable coverage (for example, from an employer, Medicare and generally Medicaid). H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitizens?whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently?participating in the Exchange. However, as discussed above, H.R. 3200 would only mandate that resident aliens would be required to have health insurance.

theking · 09-11-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

The problem is that they aren't lies.

CRS Report: Treatment of NonCitizens in HR 3200:
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/R40773_20090825.pdf

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(See pg 7) Exchange

Under H.R. 3200, a “Health Insurance Exchange” would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option. The Exchange would not be an insurer; it would provide eligible individuals and small businesses with access to insurers’ plans, including the public option, in a comparable way. Individuals would only be eligible to enroll in an Exchange plan if they were not enrolled in other acceptable coverage (for example, from an employer, Medicare and generally Medicaid). H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitizens—whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in the Exchange. However, as discussed above, H.R. 3200 would only mandate that resident aliens would be required to have health insurance.

What do the other two House Bills say...about coverage for noncitizens? I would also point out that there are two bills in the Senate...so currently there are five bills under consideration and once there is a single bill in the House and a single bill in the Senate the two bills will then have to be resolved into a single bill to be signed by the President. So...at this point there is not a bill that is conclusive on any aspect that is under consideration so it would be totally inaccurate to say someone is lying about "THE BILL" as there is not any bill that is "THE BILL".

StrokeKing · 09-11-2009, 12:41 PM

We have to step back and realize how polarized the country has become. It really sets the stage for serious trouble. People spend their days looking for topics to go berserk about.

Both parties are afraid to sit down, listen to the other side and admit they might agree on a few topics - that would currently be seen as 'weakness'.

Sad, and very dangerous.

onwebcam · 09-11-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

What do the other two House Bills say...about coverage for noncitizens? I would also point out that there are two bills in the Senate...so currently there are five bills under consideration and once there is a single bill in the House and a single bill in the Senate the two bills will then have to be resolved into a single bill to be signed by the President. So...at this point there is not a bill that is conclusive on any aspect that is under consideration so it would be totally inaccurate to say someone is lying about "THE BILL" as there is not any bill that is "THE BILL".

The problem is like every other bill before, "the bill" won't get done until hours before it's voted on. It will get passed loaded with a bunch of bullshit just like many before it and we won't know about the bullshit until after it's done.

09-11-2009, 08:48 AM	#1
Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 407	Should Joe Wilson Step Down? No matter what youe politics are, I think this guy steped over the line in disrespecting the office of president of the United States. Even if you hate Obama and wish the worst things possible on him, I feel this guy was out of line. Your thoughts?

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DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	So he should not be allowed to say what he wants under the 1st Amendment? __________________

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	He should be publically censured IMHO. But what should happen is happening, his seat has gone from basically a lock, to being "in play", with half a million dollars in donations (so far) being raked in by his competitor in his upcoming election. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	Whether he steps down or not, his lack of decorum and respect will follow him throughout what's left of his political career. __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

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xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	Politicians lie like they breath... Isn't strange how people get outraged and scream scandal because someone called another a liar but whenever a politician/president lie to the population, it is swept under the rug as no big deal, politic as usual...? Last edited by xxxdesign-net; 09-11-2009 at 09:42 AM..

09-11-2009, 09:07 AM	#6
KillerK Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,406	who cares, most of us that don't have Obamas dick in their hand are ok he said it. Hell the 1st lady is already turning the 1st lady into ghettoness.

09-11-2009, 09:40 AM	#9
Monique Niccole Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 5,653	People need to get a grip. Calling the President a liar, even if it is in the middle of a speech is not a "stepdown-able" offense. It's rude, it deserves some bad press, but good lord people need to get thicker skin and move the fuck on.

09-11-2009, 10:05 AM	#11
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Yes of course, thats why a censure is appropriate. It's a word for a reason, lol. And the election will take care of the rest, if his people want him he'll stay, if not he'll go. That part is no skin off anyones nose. But, people who are upset are not upset because they think Obama is god or something, and there are things that transcend politics. The simple fact is that wilson is one rude motherfucker to have lost his control in the one place that should have commanded respect. It doesnt matter who the president is. It's the office that deserves respect, and it's the house that has rules of decorum people. Stop playing it like it was OK for ANY reason, because it wasn't and to think or say otherwise is pure ignorance. His "apology" was such a piece of shit. My leaders said I should tell the president that my remarks were inappropriate and so I've done so. Oh gee, thanks ever so much cocksucker. Have you punched a kitty today? __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

09-11-2009, 10:24 AM	#17
Smiley Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Somewhere Between Here & There Posts: 1,265	its a respect thing...if we allow ppl to shoutout anytime they want then we are no better than the countries that start fights in the middle of their meetings...it was a dumb move, yes there should be some sort of punishment, as even his own party rode him for disrespecting the president... 1st ad or not, there is a time & place...he showed that he cannot control his emotions, which to me shows that he lacks what it takes to make educated decisions and will side with emotions vs facts... but for ppl to all get bent out of shape because harsh words were spoken by the president..guess what?...you need those harsh words when ppl liar & cheat not because they dont believe in what you are saying, but because they are being loyal to party lines...i call bullshit on both parties for the tit for tat politics that they are spewing...neither party is going to actually help the american people first..they are more interested in what lines their pockets (oil, drug, medical, car companies)...no matter what anyone says, the Dems HAVE tried to work with Republicans...but so many Republicans are against anything a Dem has to offer...they hide behind their party lines and fight every inch just because they cant admit they fucked up the country for the last eight years and god forbid they actually might like what the other party might have to say...demolish BOTH parties and have none...make a politician like a manager WE THE PEOPLE hire and if they fuck up...we should be able to fire his ass...no impeachments, no drawn out bullshit...if any of you had an affiliate manager, content manager, office manager etc that did this kind of shit, youd can his/her ass...our problem is we are afraid of our govt, not the other way around...govt rules our lives and keeps us on a chain for their benefit.... i agree that ALL of america needs to get a thicker skin and learn to laugh at ourselves..but its easier to bitch & moan about stupid trival things than actually get your hands dirty and change the countries direction...i always say that we are stepping backwards in unifying the country...everything anyone says can be made to be offensive...thank god for Mel Brooks back in his day for making great movies that made fun of ppl for humor...he would be called a racist, and ran out out of town if he ever made his movies today.....grow a pair, get thicker skin and stop apoligizing for stupid shit... my idea a third party full of NON religious, NON corporate funded, scientific (facts vs bible) people that are not afraid to say...I dont believe in religion, religion has no part in politics, i believe in gun rights, but lets be smart about it and use the technology of today to make them safer, i do believe in abortion, sorry life does not begin at orgasm...make election day an actual holiday (ok, lazy americans, you show you voted, you get paid for the day off...didnt vote, no pay...since we would figure a way to take the day off and not vote).... this country needs to get its head out of chinas ass and rethink what it is to be an american, what it will take to lead again and stop all the corporate sponsered politics, stop all the bullshit and really run the country like a solid business...our founding fathers are probably rolling over in their graves at what they start has turned into such a fucked up country and how these "so called" politicians for the people could give two shits about us... sorry, a simple comment turned into a rant....ill step off my soapbox, i could go on... <steps down> __________________ NSCash [email protected]

09-11-2009, 10:36 AM	#21
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Of course you're a big Obama fan. What with you being a flat out liar too, Andre. __________________ .

09-11-2009, 10:48 AM	#31
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Should he step down because he blurted out a dumb commit.. I don't think so.. Should he not be vote into office again, because the only real reason he made the dumb commit, was because he most of his campaign funding from big business medical industry.. Well yes. While it's out of place, heckling has always gone on and it was way worse back in the days of our founders. I don't think they would think it was too big of a deal. However I'm pretty damn sure they would be spinning in their graves knowing how much special interest/big business controls our current day politics. Over Joe Wilson’s congressional career, health professionals represent Wilson’s top industry contributors, donating a total of $244,196 to his campaign. He received another $86,150 from pharmaceutical companies, $73,050 from insurance companies and $68,000 from hospitals and nursing homes. I think that's the real reason he is pissed off about health care reform.. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator. Last edited by crockett; 09-11-2009 at 10:52 AM..

09-11-2009, 11:01 AM	#33
Bossman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: EU Posts: 1,263	No wonder the US is losing control of the power... You need to grow thinker skin - ex. have you ever watched British politics? __________________ Live Sex Buying membership sites E-mail: support AT epcrew.com

09-11-2009, 11:06 AM	#35
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	It is my understanding that he violated the rules by disrespecting the President and that he could be censured...but apparently he is not going to be. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

09-11-2009, 11:08 AM	#36
docputer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,103	Should he resign? No. It is up to his district to decide if he stays at next election. Was it wrong to do. Absolutely But at least he didn't throw a shoe.

09-11-2009, 11:17 AM	#37
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	He's bought adwords ad for the term you lie. Punch it in, lol. oops, I clicked it and got this: Service Unavailable HTTP Error 503. The service is unavailable. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

09-11-2009, 11:17 AM	#38
escorpio I love to racism, bro! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA! USA! USA! Posts: 23,206	Joe Wilson is lucky Obama doesn't bust a cap in his ass. Negroes take being "dissed" very seriously. __________________ Unvaxxed, still alive.

09-11-2009, 11:30 AM	#39
Raven Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,874	say it. don't say it. but, if you say something, stick to your guns and do not apologise, no matter what the forum, the place, the time, the subject, etc...even if it means going down with your ship. stick to your guns or beliefs and the hell with decorum, respect, whatever. but if the person is going to apologise, the power of what was said is now diluted. and, if the person apologises with a backwards childish apology, then his opponent will raise more money. and, then when that person tries it a second time and it's still not a real apology nor is it sincere, he will most likely lose the election, because....that, folks.....is politics. movin' on. __________________ Raven ~RETIRED~

09-11-2009, 11:38 AM	#40
onwebcam Fake Nick 1.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Rent free, your head Posts: 27,679	Didn't Obama call pretty much anyone who disagreed with him a liar in a round about way in the same speech? That's beside the fact that Wilson was telling the truth when he said it. Last edited by onwebcam; 09-11-2009 at 11:41 AM..

09-11-2009, 11:42 AM	#41
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	No he didnt. He called the lies, lies. And said if people misrepresent the facts, he'll call them out. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

09-11-2009, 11:45 AM	#42
2012 So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 17,189	I've never seen anything like that before. Have you ? Bush got up there and lied his ass off numerous times. Most presidents do, isn't that part of the gig ? Never heard somebody disrupt the Presidents speech like that before. I think it has to be a racial thing. White people are losing their fucking minds and it's funny to watch actually ... might as well laugh about it.

09-11-2009, 11:48 AM	#43
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	How about the Dems who "booed" GWB. Did you call for their resignation too? __________________ Boner Money

09-11-2009, 12:03 PM	#47
onwebcam Fake Nick 1.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Rent free, your head Posts: 27,679	The problem is that they aren't lies. CRS Report: Treatment of NonCitizens in HR 3200: http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/R40773_20090825.pdf Quote (See pg 7) Exchange Under H.R. 3200, a ?Health Insurance Exchange? would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option. The Exchange would not be an insurer; it would provide eligible individuals and small businesses with access to insurers? plans, including the public option, in a comparable way. Individuals would only be eligible to enroll in an Exchange plan if they were not enrolled in other acceptable coverage (for example, from an employer, Medicare and generally Medicaid). H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitizens?whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently?participating in the Exchange. However, as discussed above, H.R. 3200 would only mandate that resident aliens would be required to have health insurance.

09-11-2009, 12:41 PM	#49
StrokeKing Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 232	We have to step back and realize how polarized the country has become. It really sets the stage for serious trouble. People spend their days looking for topics to go berserk about. Both parties are afraid to sit down, listen to the other side and admit they might agree on a few topics - that would currently be seen as 'weakness'. Sad, and very dangerous. __________________ Adult Reviews by the Stroke King.