What are your ethical standards for yourself in the industry? - GoFuckYourself.com

Allison · 08-27-2009, 10:52 AM

So this is a topic that comes up in conversation pretty randomly with folks in the industry and outside. I?m curious as members of the adult industry where you draw a line with moral convictions/ethics, IE where you say ?I won?t be associated or support XYZ no matter how much money I could make.?

Lace · 08-27-2009, 10:53 AM

Morals, ethics? Who the hell has them anymore now-a-days?

MaDalton · 08-27-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lace

Morals, ethics? Who the hell has them anymore now-a-days?

i do - crazy, ain't it?

»Rob Content« · 08-27-2009, 11:01 AM

lol at my vote

seeric · 08-27-2009, 11:03 AM

funny and ironic on so many levels.

Iron Fist · 08-27-2009, 11:05 AM

Ironic if you can prove it...

FrozenJag · 08-27-2009, 11:08 AM

Well you forgot option " I dont do any of those things, im actually a very clean webmaster".

So in any event, I didnt vote.

I swear nowadays people think you have to push the limits just to make money, thats far from true.

EDIT** OOOPS. lol, missed the whole "NOT" in the poll wording. My bad.

96ukssob · 08-27-2009, 11:09 AM

i read this wrong

Allison · 08-27-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by FrozenJag

Well you forgot option " I dont do any of those things, im actually a very clean webmaster".

So in any event, I didnt vote.

I swear nowadays people think you have to push the limits just to make money, thats far from true.

EDIT** OOOPS. lol, missed the whole "NOT" in the poll wording. My bad.

Ha, I was going to say, I think you would then select all of them except the last one.

kristin · 08-27-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FrozenJag

Well you forgot option " I dont do any of those things, im actually a very clean webmaster".

So in any event, I didnt vote.

I swear nowadays people think you have to push the limits just to make money, thats far from true.

EDIT** OOOPS. lol, missed the whole "NOT" in the poll wording. My bad.

Get the list of the mobile gallery links I sent over yesterday?

C H R I S · 08-27-2009, 11:14 AM

great poll ali

Profits of Doom · 08-27-2009, 11:17 AM

I really wanted to be that guy that had ethics, but I no longer give a shit and will do whatever I feel is necessary to make money. I posted this a few days ago and I think it bears repeating one more time...

The porn I do promote is pretty much micro niche, and I have an outsourced worker that I use to send DMCA's to sites when he finds content of the niches I am promoting.

Last night he showed me a site that is full of stolen content, directbigboobs.net, that I figured was monetizing with the usual Brazzers ads. But when I looked at the site I also saw straight affiliate banners for Score Cash, Fuck You Cash, and Reality Cash. That is when I officially decided I no longer give a fuck. If those three big programs don't care what kind of traffic they take, I no longer give a fuck what sleazy shit I have to do to make money, either.

And before anyone starts with the "did you contact the sponsor" bullshit, yes he did, and he told me he two of the sponsors didn't bother answering him, and one gave him a terse "we'll have legal look into it" response without answering his other questions, and the links to all three programs still work...

Allison · 08-27-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

I really wanted to be that guy that had ethics, but I no longer give a shit and will do whatever I feel is necessary to make money. I posted this a few days ago and I think it bears repeating one more time...

The porn I do promote is pretty much micro niche, and I have an outsourced worker that I use to send DMCA's to sites when he finds content of the niches I am promoting.

Last night he showed me a site that is full of stolen content, directbigboobs.net, that I figured was monetizing with the usual Brazzers ads. But when I looked at the site I also saw straight affiliate banners for Score Cash, Fuck You Cash, and Reality Cash. That is when I officially decided I no longer give a fuck. If those three big programs don't care what kind of traffic they take, I no longer give a fuck what sleazy shit I have to do to make money, either.

And before anyone starts with the "did you contact the sponsor" bullshit, yes he did, and he told me he two of the sponsors didn't bother answering him, and one gave him a terse "we'll have legal look into it" response without answering his other questions, and the links to all three programs still work...

I hear ya. We (the industry) have always talked a big game as an industry as a whole against this or that, but when it comes to people putting money where their mouth is it's a different story and as long as there seems to be 0 consequence, I think a lot of people think like you do.

BradM · 08-27-2009, 11:42 AM

I won't be involved in underage/rape bullshit.

Yo Adrian · 08-27-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

Ironic if you can prove it...

that's funny cause it's true

Kevin Marx · 08-27-2009, 11:47 AM

it's called 'Situational Ethics' and it changes for people depending on the situation. Also what people say vs. what they do are two different things.

The priest that spouts out sermons decrying porn, yet has his secret stash has situational ethics and morals. Many (most) people on this board do also. When it comes to money, people work more in the grey areas that they normally wouldn't. Just a simple fact of life.

Allison · 08-27-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin-SFBucks

it's called 'Situational Ethics' and it changes for people depending on the situation. Also what people say vs. what they do are two different things.

The priest that spouts out sermons decrying porn, yet has his secret stash has situational ethics and morals. Many (most) people on this board do also. When it comes to money, people work more in the grey areas that they normally wouldn't. Just a simple fact of life.

Agreed. Saying and doing are very different and I think very applicable in our industry.

tony286 · 08-27-2009, 12:13 PM

Sorry if your ethical standards change like the wind then they arent standards and a bigger problem is many companies and people are put under the adult industry umbrella and embraced. Even though they dont have the industries best interest at heart.

epitome · 08-27-2009, 12:15 PM

I could have tens of millions of dollars lying around right now if only I would have abandoned my ethics.

...actually, just about any of us could.

08-27-2009, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrozenJag

Well you forgot option " I dont do any of those things, im actually a very clean webmaster".

So in any event, I didnt vote.

I swear nowadays people think you have to push the limits just to make money, thats far from true.

EDIT** OOOPS. lol, missed the whole "NOT" in the poll wording. My bad.

FrozenJag · 08-27-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin

Get the list of the mobile gallery links I sent over yesterday?

Yes! Thank you

They are scheduled to go up tonight.

Already had last night planned.

Phallus Fondue · 08-27-2009, 01:52 PM

some of those i felt were worded wrong or just off as they had to be answered as yes and no.
take for example this one.
product where the fantasy is borderline dangerous (rape, abuse, shitting into someone’s mouth, etc)
rape would just be acting and a fantasy, not real. abuse is very vague but assuming some choking or slapping, again can be faked or kept safe but just has on screen appearance that comes off harsh.
then you have shitting into someones mouth. not only would that be real and also real dangerous. even if you do not take a shit and say use what i saw yesterday on here being milk. typically a very safe product unless lactose intolerant. though inserted into someones ass and projected into someones mouth just could not be made safe. it is not like anyone could sterlize someones entire lower intestine. sure it may look clean, or lets say the first 8 inches or so look clean. girl douched out her ass or whatever. it would not clean that far up unless she went in for a pretty good hosing out. so that would mean the milk could still reach and mix with actual shit or shit leakage/lubricant. the hosing also would not kill all of the bacteria in her ass. even a small amount of contaimination could result in severe sickness or even death if left untreated.
knowing how well or actually not well that many models treat their health, having one allow what seems like flu like symptoms to go untreated would not be hard to swallow.
death due to drinking milk out of someones asshole on a porn set just would not sit well with me and i am sure others would not, not notice it and throw a fucking fit.

CunningStunt · 08-27-2009, 02:05 PM

Good question Allison.

I doubt many will own up to the last one though. Not if they know it's a public vote anyway...

View Poll Results: So where do you draw the line? Select all that you would NOT support:
promoting/distributing/creating... product that is similar to content convicted of being “obscene”	8	34.78%
product that although is legal, depicts very young looking girls	10	43.48%
product where the fantasy is borderline dangerous (rape, abuse, shitting into someone’s mouth, etc)	13	56.52%
product that utilizes copyright or trademark infringement	16	69.57%
product that is fraudulent to the consumer- IE hidden cross sales, inability to cancel, etc	18	78.26%
product that uses any technique annoying to the consumer (pop ups, email spam, spyware, etc)	14	60.87%
I have no line, as long as it makes me money.	5	21.74%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

08-27-2009, 10:52 AM	#1
Allison Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: http://www.topbucks.com Posts: 2,068	What are your ethical standards for yourself in the industry? So this is a topic that comes up in conversation pretty randomly with folks in the industry and outside. I?m curious as members of the adult industry where you draw a line with moral convictions/ethics, IE where you say ?I won?t be associated or support XYZ no matter how much money I could make.? __________________ Allison President TopBucks.com\| PinkVisual.com\| [email protected] Follow Me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/PV_Alli ICQ: 120353154 Check out PVLocker.com

08-27-2009, 10:53 AM	#2
Lace Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,116	Morals, ethics? Who the hell has them anymore now-a-days? __________________ Your Paysite Partner Strength In Numbers! StickyDollars \| RadicalCash \| KennysPennies \| HomegrownCash

08-27-2009, 11:01 AM	#4
»Rob Content« Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,348	lol at my vote __________________ 80% Revshare or 30$ PPS on $1 trials: 200 Niches = Vidz.com Galleries / FLVs / Embeds 3 & 5mins FLVs \| RSS & Tube Feeds \| Matching Thumbs \| FLV Browser & Exporter \| No Prechecked Xsales >> Mobile Redirection Script: mobile.vidz.com also paying 80% net Lifetime << ICQ: 198-394-557 ICQ - 436 795 438 E-mail rob /@/ cool-content dotcom

08-27-2009, 11:05 AM	#6
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	Ironic if you can prove it... __________________ i like waffles

08-27-2009, 11:03 AM	#5
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	funny and ironic on so many levels.

08-27-2009, 11:08 AM	#7
FrozenJag Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,763	Well you forgot option " I dont do any of those things, im actually a very clean webmaster". So in any event, I didnt vote. I swear nowadays people think you have to push the limits just to make money, thats far from true. EDIT** OOOPS. lol, missed the whole "NOT" in the poll wording. My bad. Last edited by FrozenJag; 08-27-2009 at 11:10 AM..

08-27-2009, 11:09 AM	#8
96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	i read this wrong

08-27-2009, 11:14 AM	#11
C H R I S Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marina Del Rey Posts: 10,842	great poll ali __________________ C H R I S Retired Porn Veteran BH4L

08-27-2009, 11:17 AM	#12
Profits of Doom Monster Rain Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mongo Posts: 4,978	I really wanted to be that guy that had ethics, but I no longer give a shit and will do whatever I feel is necessary to make money. I posted this a few days ago and I think it bears repeating one more time... The porn I do promote is pretty much micro niche, and I have an outsourced worker that I use to send DMCA's to sites when he finds content of the niches I am promoting. Last night he showed me a site that is full of stolen content, directbigboobs.net, that I figured was monetizing with the usual Brazzers ads. But when I looked at the site I also saw straight affiliate banners for Score Cash, Fuck You Cash, and Reality Cash. That is when I officially decided I no longer give a fuck. If those three big programs don't care what kind of traffic they take, I no longer give a fuck what sleazy shit I have to do to make money, either. And before anyone starts with the "did you contact the sponsor" bullshit, yes he did, and he told me he two of the sponsors didn't bother answering him, and one gave him a terse "we'll have legal look into it" response without answering his other questions, and the links to all three programs still work... __________________ “My Free Cams Affiliate Program by CrakRevenue”

08-27-2009, 11:42 AM	#14
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	I won't be involved in underage/rape bullshit.

08-27-2009, 11:47 AM	#16
Kevin Marx Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,888	it's called 'Situational Ethics' and it changes for people depending on the situation. Also what people say vs. what they do are two different things. The priest that spouts out sermons decrying porn, yet has his secret stash has situational ethics and morals. Many (most) people on this board do also. When it comes to money, people work more in the grey areas that they normally wouldn't. Just a simple fact of life. __________________ ICQ: 370 037 008

08-27-2009, 12:13 PM	#18
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Sorry if your ethical standards change like the wind then they arent standards and a bigger problem is many companies and people are put under the adult industry umbrella and embraced. Even though they dont have the industries best interest at heart.

08-27-2009, 12:15 PM	#19
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,156	I could have tens of millions of dollars lying around right now if only I would have abandoned my ethics. ...actually, just about any of us could.

08-27-2009, 01:52 PM	#22
Phallus Fondue Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 418	some of those i felt were worded wrong or just off as they had to be answered as yes and no. take for example this one. product where the fantasy is borderline dangerous (rape, abuse, shitting into someone’s mouth, etc) rape would just be acting and a fantasy, not real. abuse is very vague but assuming some choking or slapping, again can be faked or kept safe but just has on screen appearance that comes off harsh. then you have shitting into someones mouth. not only would that be real and also real dangerous. even if you do not take a shit and say use what i saw yesterday on here being milk. typically a very safe product unless lactose intolerant. though inserted into someones ass and projected into someones mouth just could not be made safe. it is not like anyone could sterlize someones entire lower intestine. sure it may look clean, or lets say the first 8 inches or so look clean. girl douched out her ass or whatever. it would not clean that far up unless she went in for a pretty good hosing out. so that would mean the milk could still reach and mix with actual shit or shit leakage/lubricant. the hosing also would not kill all of the bacteria in her ass. even a small amount of contaimination could result in severe sickness or even death if left untreated. knowing how well or actually not well that many models treat their health, having one allow what seems like flu like symptoms to go untreated would not be hard to swallow. death due to drinking milk out of someones asshole on a porn set just would not sit well with me and i am sure others would not, not notice it and throw a fucking fit.

08-27-2009, 02:05 PM	#23
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Good question Allison. I doubt many will own up to the last one though. Not if they know it's a public vote anyway...