Judge Rules DVD Ripping Software Is Illegal

[evie]

Judge Rules DVD Ripping Software Is Illegal

How does this effect programs like Adobe Premiere? Not sure if it applies to them but it seems any program that can copy a DVD to a hard drive would fall under the same ruling.

More bad news for Tubes and Torrents I hope.

[Fletch XXX]

Hasnt gone to trial though... in the end it will work out. We have rights to backups. ANyone with a child knows that you make a backup of kid DVDs you buy and let them play the ripped one because otherwise youll have a scratched disc in no time.

Ive already started doing it and my child is 100 days away. Backups are part of using media.

[EscortBiz]

def good news, and a step in the right direction

still the laws need to be changed, before anyone publishes any content on their server they must have permission, kinda like content you need 2257 and model releases.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

def good news, and a step in the right direction

still the laws need to be changed, before anyone publishes any content on their server they must have permission,

DVD ripping software has nothing to do with putting content online or on a server, this is about DVD backups, not putting content online.

This is why when it goes to trial the consumer will win.

Anti-piracy advocates may applaud the ruling, but tech analyst Brennon Slattery noted that RealDVD wasn't made for mass-ripping DVDs. It only let users rip and store one copy of a movie on their hard drive, and if users wanted to save additional copies elsewhere, they would have to pay a fee.

"It's perfectly legal to rip music from a CD and upload it onto an iPod for personal use," Slattery said. "Why can't a person do the same with their own copies of movies? The assumption is that everyone using a program such as RealDVD is a criminal bent on ripping as many Netflix movies as possible, rather than a law-abiding citizen who simply wants to watch flicks on the go."

I know porn people who produce content applaud this type of stuff, but dont confuse putting stolen content online with making personal backups.

This would be akin to a content producer claiming you cannot make a copy of the content you bought on more than one harddrive.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Hasnt gone to trial though... in the end it will work out. We have rights to backups. ANyone with a child knows that you make a backup of kid DVDs you buy and let them play the ripped one because otherwise youll have a scratched disc in no time.

Ive already started doing it and my child is 100 days away. Backups are part of using media.

exactly why the law needs to be changed and make it a criminal offense to be in possession of stolen digital goods, forcing tubes etc to verify ownership before posting the content vs allowing them to simply remove the content should the owners find it, meaning anyone hosting any sort of digital goods must have a paper showing permission to do so.

the day will come when the above will be law and it will be enforced, question is how many people will lose their business and jobs before that day comes.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

DVD ripping software has nothing to do with putting content online or on a server, this is about DVD backups, not putting content online.

This is why when it goes to trial the consumer will win.



I know porn people who produce content applaud this type of stuff, but dont confuse putting stolen content online with making personal backups.

you are 1000% correct, see the judge in this case is 71 years old! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Hall_Patel how much do you really think she understands when it comes to the whole piracy issue.

We need to start treating digital goods just like we treat regular goods, anyone involved in helping or facilitating theft = criminal.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by evie

Judge Rules DVD Ripping Software Is Illegal

How does this effect programs like Adobe Premiere? Not sure if it applies to them but it seems any program that can copy a DVD to a hard drive would fall under the same ruling.

More bad news for Tubes and Torrents I hope.

they can fuck off

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

def good news, and a step in the right direction

still the laws need to be changed, before anyone publishes any content on their server they must have permission, kinda like content you need 2257 and model releases.

Making DMCA more effective would not be that hard and does not need the law to be changed a lot.

All they would have to do is split it into two parts. One so it does what it was originally designed to do, protect hosts from responsibility of what their clients upload. The second part would be for those who intend the content to be published. Once you publish content you're responsible for checking it.

The problem would be with sites like Youtube and the political clout they have from Yahoo, (or is it Google)) they would be very screwed. But it's the only way it would work.

2257 applies to all US sites and it was apparent how much the FBI wanted to get a conviction, when they did not inspect one user uploaded site. It takes 5 minutes to find content on those sites and servers that does not comply with 2257. They went to people who were very likely to have the documents. Then gave them time after the inspection to put them right.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Hasnt gone to trial though... in the end it will work out. We have rights to backups. ANyone with a child knows that you make a backup of kid DVDs you buy and let them play the ripped one because otherwise youll have a scratched disc in no time.

Ive already started doing it and my child is 100 days away. Backups are part of using media.

I back them up and hand him those and keep the real deal in a locked box.. On spider man disk number 3 Transformers number 4

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

exactly why the law needs to be changed and make it a criminal offense to be in possession of stolen digital goods, forcing tubes etc to verify ownership before posting the content vs allowing them to simply remove the content should the owners find it, meaning anyone hosting any sort of digital goods must have a paper showing permission to do so.

the day will come when the above will be law and it will be enforced, question is how many people will lose their business and jobs before that day comes.

right turn the conditional monopoly which is supposed to respect fair use

into an absolute monopoly which doesn't consider any fair use of the copyright work.

If you can only host with permission then no fair use is possible
good bye parody
good bye commentary
good bye free speach.

[gideongallery]

"While it may well be fair use for an individual consumer to store a backup copy of a personally-owned DVD on that individual's computer, a federal law has nonetheless made it illegal to manufacture or traffic in a device or tool that permits a consumer to make such copies," the ruling read.

so how exactly would a person be able to have their fair use right to back up personally owned DVD if all the software that allows such an action is illegal.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

right turn the conditional monopoly which is supposed to respect fair use

into an absolute monopoly which doesn't consider any fair use of the copyright work.

If you can only host with permission then no fair use is possible
good bye parody
good bye commentary
good bye free speach.

Listen stop acting stupid, fair use stays fair use, billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of jobs wasnt lost because of "fair use content" being uploaded to youtube or torrents.

THE LAWS will change, the question is how many companies and people will have to be destroyed first, just like the new financial laws and trading laws have changed and more are changing but again it was after a mass destruction of the world economy.

Billiong of dollars of music, software and movies stolen NOT FAIR USE ITEMS!

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

Listen stop acting stupid, fair use stays fair use, billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of jobs wasnt lost because of "fair use content" being uploaded to youtube or torrents.

THE LAWS will change, the question is how many companies and people will have to be destroyed first, just like the new financial laws and trading laws have changed and more are changing but again it was after a mass destruction of the world economy.

Billiong of dollars of music, software and movies stolen NOT FAIR USE ITEMS!

really ok care to explain how this fair use of parody would have been defended if youtube had to get proof that produces oked the use of their content first.



at the time it was put up the producers of that movie were arguing that simple changing the subtitles were not enough to be considered fair use

they were sending dmca take down notices to get rid of the videos.
and they were all working

eff put up their own downfall parody, they did a perfect job of explictly spelling out the fair use conditions, and when the takedown notice came they disputed.

As a result all the other downfall parodies which were removed were all put back.

So tell me how exactly would such an extension of fair use happen if the video can never be put up in the first place (because it doesn't have permission from the producer) and youtube must not allow it to be published at all without cede proof.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

really ok care to explain how this fair use of parody would have been defended if youtube had to get proof that produces oked the use of their content first.



at the time it was put up the producers of that movie were arguing that simple changing the subtitles were not enough to be considered fair use

they were sending dmca take down notices to get rid of the videos.
and they were all working

eff put up their own downfall parody, they did a perfect job of explictly spelling out the fair use conditions, and when the takedown notice came they disputed.

As a result all the other downfall parodies which were removed were all put back.

So tell me how exactly would such an extension of fair use happen if the video can never be put up in the first place (because it doesn't have permission from the producer) and youtube must not allow it to be published at all without cede proof.

look the laws will be rewritten you wont have entire industries collapsing because a fair use rant, times have changed and laws will have to change to, tv networks arent selling any of their serier dvd's movie dvd's dead software dead music dead and you say sorry saving those industries and a few 100k jobs isnt important because you feel fair use blah blah

I dont write laws and I agree its not simple but one thing for sure stealing digital goods is something we need to start looking at as if its real goods, this is going to stop not because some pornmasters want it to stop lol but rather its destroying entire industries.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

look the laws will be rewritten you wont have entire industries collapsing because a fair use rant, times have changed and laws will have to change to, tv networks arent selling any of their serier dvd's movie dvd's dead software dead music dead and you say sorry saving those industries and a few 100k jobs isnt important because you feel fair use blah blah

I dont write laws and I agree its not simple but one thing for sure stealing digital goods is something we need to start looking at as if its real goods, this is going to stop not because some pornmasters want it to stop lol but rather its destroying entire industries.

1. fair use economy is 1/6th of the US economy. People for example were hired to write and support the software that REAL is selling. All those people are going to be put out of work if this ruling stands.

2. that exactly the position that MPAA had with the vcr, until they realized that by actually exploiting the technology they could make way more money. The government didn't stop vcr.

The economic losses caused by what you want to do would do way more damage to the economy then what would be saved.

"making it a criminal offense to be in possession of stolen digital goods" would destroy all those fair use business putting all those people out of work.

[CrkMStanz]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

1. fair use economy is 1/6th of the US economy.

...

time for your anti-delusion pill (again)

oh wait, you actually believe yourself

nvm, carry on

.

[fuzebox]

I'm confused, which part will become illegal? The ability to copy .vob files off of a disc inserted in your computer?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

Listen stop acting stupid, fair use stays fair use, billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of jobs wasnt lost because of "fair use content" being uploaded to youtube or torrents.

THE LAWS will change, the question is how many companies and people will have to be destroyed first, just like the new financial laws and trading laws have changed and more are changing but again it was after a mass destruction of the world economy.

Billiong of dollars of music, software and movies stolen NOT FAIR USE ITEMS!

Are you getting your stats from the mpaa? Hundreds of thousands of jobs haven't been lost due to piracy, piracy has allowed MILLIONS of people to actually be employed.

If it's software, software companies don't get hurt from piracy, it grows them. Unless the software is trash, support is trash, or some other trash factor. Adobe and MS are easily the most pirated software online, and they aren't having any problems 'due' to piracy, actually it's the other way around. They use it for market research, feedback, and social chatter to 'improve' the software to the people that will always pay.

Billions 'worth' of this stuff may have been stole, fair use or not.. but this 'stolen' material helped create the largest movie releases ever in history, continually setting records. Same with music, concerts, unique song sales, etc.. the largest concerts ever in history, more stars than ever before. Just because people don't buy DVD's doesn't mean piracy is the reason.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by CrkMStanz

time for your anti-delusion pill (again)

oh wait, you actually believe yourself

nvm, carry on

.

think about it for a second, look at just the vcr
everyone who builds them
everyone who delivers them
everyone who sells them
everyone who supports them
everyone who fixes them.

there are a lot of jobs that dependent on fair use to keep existing the way it is now.

why do you think congress didn't side with the movie industry when was claiming that the vcr was the boston strangler

because for every man year of lost labour the MPAA claimed was happening, they could so 6 man years of labor was lost due to the sale of physical good.

it wasn't until that door was closed and the movie industry was forced to look for a market solution that they finally open their eyes to the fact that porn companies were making huge piles of money putting their movies on those cassettes and selling them to people.

Exploiting the technology made way more money then what was lost because people stopped watching the commercials on timeshifted copies.

[CrkMStanz]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

think about it for a second, look at just the vcr
everyone who builds them
everyone who delivers them
everyone who sells them
everyone who supports them
everyone who fixes them.

there are a lot of jobs that dependent on fair use to keep existing the way it is now.

every one of those jobs would have happened/existed without the piracy

Originally Posted by gideongallery

because for every man year of lost labour the MPAA claimed was happening, they could so 6 man years of labor was lost due to the sale of physical good.

wtf ?!?!?! thats some serious fantasy stats right there

Originally Posted by gideongallery

it wasn't until that door was closed and the movie industry was forced to look for a market solution that they finally open their eyes to the fact that porn companies were making huge piles of money putting their movies on those cassettes and selling them to people.

ummm - everyone was making money selling 'cassettes'. the problem was people who were PIRATING and selling - every other use was fine.

Originally Posted by gideongallery

Exploiting the technology made way more money then what was lost because people stopped watching the commercials on timeshifted copies.

wtf!?!?!?! sometimes i really wonder about your sanity



anyways - no one gives a fuck about the VCR 'technology' - no one gives a fuck about the TORRENT/CLOUD 'technology' - no one gives a fuck about the TUBE 'technology'

we ALL know they are ways to make cash

we are ALL concerned about how the THEIVES use it - and would like legislation making a way for us to kick their asses

we all want the THEIVES to be held accountable

NO ONE argues your defense of the 'technology' - we argue your stupid interpretation of fair use - which you don't seem to understand at all

doing a parody, using sampling, mashups, and all the rest are FINE - NO ONE argues that

we are PISSED at free global public distribution of complete un-edited, un-abridged works - these are NOT defended by fair use.

and that is why you are delusional

[hypedough]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Hasnt gone to trial though... in the end it will work out. We have rights to backups. ANyone with a child knows that you make a backup of kid DVDs you buy and let them play the ripped one because otherwise youll have a scratched disc in no time.

Ive already started doing it and my child is 100 days away. Backups are part of using media.

Great point, and there have been similar instances where certain programs were pulled off the market, but not all of them were deemed illegal. I think it was called Fas***opy or some shit.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by CrkMStanz

every one of those jobs would have happened/existed without the piracy

history lesson mpaa wanted the vcr to be blocked at the border. If that would have happened all those jobs would have disappeared.
There would have been nothing to sell, nothing to deliver, nothing to repair.

wtf ?!?!?! thats some serious fantasy stats right there

fact the only people making up stats are the MPAA, actual job stats, employment loss in the film industry is less then employment losses in other industries. The loses are based on what they would have hired if piracy didn't exist.

Those would be actual jobs lost. Because there was nothing to sell, repair or deliver.
Those were people who were hired to drive the trucks to deliver the vcr.
Remember back then vcr were a grand a piece. They were a big ticket item which only a small percentage of the people could afford.

ummm - everyone was making money selling 'cassettes'. the problem was people who were PIRATING and selling - every other use was fine.

history lesson again at the time, the only people selling stuff on the cassettes were the porn industry. No movies no tv shows period.
The only other use was to tape shows.

yet the MPAA wanted to outlaw the vcr to protect their revenue and jobs (sound familar)

wtf!?!?!?! sometimes i really wonder about your sanity



anyways - no one gives a fuck about the VCR 'technology' - no one gives a fuck about the TORRENT/CLOUD 'technology' - no one gives a fuck about the TUBE 'technology'

we ALL know they are ways to make cash

we are ALL concerned about how the THEIVES use it - and would like legislation making a way for us to kick their asses

we all want the THEIVES to be held accountable

NO ONE argues your defense of the 'technology' - we argue your stupid interpretation of fair use - which you don't seem to understand at all

doing a parody, using sampling, mashups, and all the rest are FINE - NO ONE argues that

we are PISSED at free global public distribution of complete un-edited, un-abridged works - these are NOT defended by fair use.

and that is why you are delusional

backup, access shifting, timeshifting, format shifting.

all create a complete un edited, un abridge copy of the work.

the network effect does not eliminate those fair use rights. claiming that it does holds back the technological advantages.

an infinite sized hard drive that records every single show available (swarm) and provides multiple nodes of redundancy so even complete failure of any one machine would not cause the data to be lost, would be the best VCR that could every exist.

the copyright holders refuse to provide the technology.
You want them to have the right to stop other people from filling that gap.

As long as you refuse to set the private tracker to fullfill that fair use right, it is all about denying the technology.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by hypedough

Great point, and there have been similar instances where certain programs were pulled off the market, but not all of them were deemed illegal. I think it was called Fas***opy or some shit.

that case was an example of the movie industry providing an alternative that fullfilled the fair use right completely and a technology that went way above that fair use right.

specifically Dess which ripped out the copy protection and made a copy that could be used as a source for new copies

vs Cess decrypt which put a header information on the copy that prevented you from copying from it.

The latter fully provided for the backup rights of buyer of the movie and no more.

This case is about taking away the right by taking way the technology that allows the rights without replacing it with anything.

[Nautilus]

Silly decision which will do nothing to stop piracy, but will piss of the general public and will make it harder to push to real effective anti-piracy measures.

[Rangermoore]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

exactly why the law needs to be changed and make it a criminal offense to be in possession of stolen digital goods, forcing tubes etc to verify ownership before posting the content vs allowing them to simply remove the content should the owners find it, meaning anyone hosting any sort of digital goods must have a paper showing permission to do so.

the day will come when the above will be law and it will be enforced, question is how many people will lose their business and jobs before that day comes.

So I guess EVERY single file you have you can verify that you have permission to have it? You have never copied anything, saved a cute gif, or copied a pic of any kind ever in your life?... WOW your a great person..

[Rangermoore]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Are you getting your stats from the mpaa? Hundreds of thousands of jobs haven't been lost due to piracy, piracy has allowed MILLIONS of people to actually be employed.

If it's software, software companies don't get hurt from piracy, it grows them. Unless the software is trash, support is trash, or some other trash factor. Adobe and MS are easily the most pirated software online, and they aren't having any problems 'due' to piracy, actually it's the other way around. They use it for market research, feedback, and social chatter to 'improve' the software to the people that will always pay.

Billions 'worth' of this stuff may have been stole, fair use or not.. but this 'stolen' material helped create the largest movie releases ever in history, continually setting records. Same with music, concerts, unique song sales, etc.. the largest concerts ever in history, more stars than ever before. Just because people don't buy DVD's doesn't mean piracy is the reason.

Your right DOC... Where does this person get their stats? Out of an ass I suppose..He's a moron...