Ok, mobile porn topics are heating up, explain this on the subject of $$ - GoFuckYourself.com

gleem · 08-11-2009, 12:57 PM

I am getting hit up more often than usual for a "mobile porn" solution and sponsors etc.. and I see they all got these mobile redirect codes.

Aren't you basically just taking your traffic and blind linking them to something other than the site they came to see? What if someone on an iphone or another web-capable device that has a decent browser just wants to look at the site they visit from home on a regular basis?

Seems to me that would just piss people off redirecting blindly like that, but maybe I'm missing something?

FlexxAeon · 08-11-2009, 01:10 PM

this could get ugly...

from my semi-limited knowledge. redirecting made more sense when phones could barely handle browsing, and you needed to push them to a WAP site or something similar. iphone came and basically kicked that in the nuts, as it can pretty much handle any site. but the viewing, as intuitive as the safari browser is, still leaves much to be desired with all the zooming you'd have to do for a site that's optimized for say a 1024x768. therefore, serving up a skinny site makes it easier to navigate.

if you don't want to take the time to build a small site then a redirect or a whitelabel might work. but with phones becoming smarter by leaps and bounds in their attempt to be the "iphone killer", it's not always the best decision

imho of course

gleem · 08-11-2009, 01:12 PM

exactly, todays phones are better, shouldn't need to be completely redirected without their permission.

Bird · 08-11-2009, 01:12 PM

A proper redirection should check if it is in WURFL(Wireless Universal Resource Library) and "Is Mobile Device" and redirect accordingly.

Most sites I look at DO NOT use WURFL and DO NOT have multiple sites for different mobile capabilities. UA(user agent) and MIME type detection is not enough.

In my opinion most mobile traffic is lost because of an improper detection script.

Exotic Gold · 08-11-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gleem

I am getting hit up more often than usual for a "mobile porn" solution and sponsors etc.. and I see they all got these mobile redirect codes.

Aren't you basically just taking your traffic and blind linking them to something other than the site they came to see? What if someone on an iphone or another web-capable device that has a decent browser just wants to look at the site they visit from home on a regular basis?

Seems to me that would just piss people off redirecting blindly like that, but maybe I'm missing something?

I was wondering the same thing...

BestXXXPorn · 08-11-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bird

A proper redirection should check if it is in WURFL(Wireless Universal Resource Library) and "Is Mobile Device" and redirect accordingly.

Most sites I look at DO NOT use WURFL and DO NOT have multiple sites for different mobile capabilities. UA(user agent) and MIME type detection is not enough.

In my opinion most mobile traffic is lost because of an improper detection script.

I agree completely

FlexxAeon · 08-11-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bird

A proper redirection should check if it is in WURFL(Wireless Universal Resource Library) and "Is Mobile Device" and redirect accordingly.

Most sites I look at DO NOT use WURFL and DO NOT have multiple sites for different mobile capabilities. UA(user agent) and MIME type detection is not enough.

In my opinion most mobile traffic is lost because of an improper detection script.

ok but if i have a majority of US traffic and (correct me if i'm wrong) SMS billing for porn isn't allowed in the US, anyone who isn't on a phone that can sign up with a CC is lost anyway right? whereas, even my non-US traffic can use their CC's?

BestXXXPorn · 08-11-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gleem

I am getting hit up more often than usual for a "mobile porn" solution and sponsors etc.. and I see they all got these mobile redirect codes.

Aren't you basically just taking your traffic and blind linking them to something other than the site they came to see? What if someone on an iphone or another web-capable device that has a decent browser just wants to look at the site they visit from home on a regular basis?

Seems to me that would just piss people off redirecting blindly like that, but maybe I'm missing something?

That would definitely be the case

Some users probably won't even notice but I think it would probably be best to create a little mini mobile landing page for your site with a list of sponsors on it so the end user can choose where they'd like to go. It's such a pain in the ass on a phone to go back, wait for the page to load, and click the next thing they were previously looking at. Instead, giving them a page with multiple choices creates a go back to spot. They can check out the first link, they don't like it they go back and when they go back they go back to YOUR page with more choices to check out. Rather than skipping right over it and going back to where they originated from...

seeandsee · 08-11-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gleem

exactly, todays phones are better, shouldn't need to be completely redirected without their permission.

i agree!

Bird · 08-11-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

ok but if i have a majority of US traffic and (correct me if i'm wrong) SMS billing for porn isn't allowed in the US, anyone who isn't on a phone that can sign up with a CC is lost anyway right? whereas, even my non-US traffic can use their CC's?

You are correct, No SMS billing for Adult Mobile in US, But you might want to look at zong.com if you want to bill anyway. Also Mobile CC billing at billingrevolution.com.

kristin · 08-11-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gleem

I am getting hit up more often than usual for a "mobile porn" solution and sponsors etc.. and I see they all got these mobile redirect codes.

Aren't you basically just taking your traffic and blind linking them to something other than the site they came to see? What if someone on an iphone or another web-capable device that has a decent browser just wants to look at the site they visit from home on a regular basis?

Seems to me that would just piss people off redirecting blindly like that, but maybe I'm missing something?

No, doesn't piss people off. Couple of reasons:

1. Many paysites aren't optimized for phones, so your surfer can't join anyways.
2. Keep it on your domain and subdomain the mobile traffic. Keeps surfers happy they are on the same URL.
3. Mobile detection scripts that we provide all you to offer the surfer to go to a mobile optimized site (thus re-directing to us) or to visit the site they originally put in (yours).
4. Use a whitelabel with your brand and theme and they can't even tell they are on a different site.

kristin · 08-11-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

ok but if i have a majority of US traffic and (correct me if i'm wrong) SMS billing for porn isn't allowed in the US, anyone who isn't on a phone that can sign up with a CC is lost anyway right? whereas, even my non-US traffic can use their CC's?

Third party processors such as Epoch, LocalBilling, CCBill, and WTS have mobile optimized join forms. You can easily accept credit cards and the join forms are much more visible on the phones, so any xsales or anything are clearly shown. We have seen many surfers only take one xsale thus letting us know they clearly see the offers. As well, we have had little credits on those transactions.

FlexxAeon · 08-11-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bird

You are correct, No SMS billing for Adult Mobile in US, But you might want to look at zong.com if you want to bill anyway. Also Mobile CC billing at billingrevolution.com.

i leave the billing and stuff to capable sponsors. i am but a lowly traffic pusher

troncarver · 08-11-2009, 03:29 PM

john it was my pleasure hanging out with you in FL, im gonna be hitting you up tommorrow at some point

MikeSmoke · 08-11-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bird

A proper redirection should check if it is in WURFL(Wireless Universal Resource Library) and "Is Mobile Device" and redirect accordingly.

Most sites I look at DO NOT use WURFL and DO NOT have multiple sites for different mobile capabilities. UA(user agent) and MIME type detection is not enough.

In my opinion most mobile traffic is lost because of an improper detection script.

OK, so what sponsors have "proper" detection scripts available?

Bird · 08-11-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

OK, so what sponsors have "proper" detection scripts available?

That's what I want to know.

As for now I test with all my phones and emulators and from there I use my own detection script to redirect accordingly based on what I think the user should see.

Gausche · 08-11-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

OK, so what sponsors have "proper" detection scripts available?

None that I have seen

dialxs · 08-12-2009, 12:20 AM

There are a few detection scripts available , also for SMS billing in the US (also porn) there a a few possibilities.
We have customers in the US using mobile SMS, PRS to bill their content sites, offcourse in a legal way

Thurbs · 08-12-2009, 02:31 AM

one of the questions I've had but never really bothered with until today, since some of our people that were at internext have sent in many things about it.

1. if it's a whitelabel, I assume your just pitching them on my brand, your backend, your billing, my domain ( got that )

2. how are people giving that money to their affiliates? is anyone posting back some sort of payment system? or are most people except for the original provider ( the mobile site who has regular site ), just shaving a bit off the top with mobile?

3. who here has a solid short code system for US SMS billing? I know there are ways to do it, but does anyone have a simpler way? Something where the cell company 100% knows what it really is? I know mobile users can type in their cc info, and it's not that difficult, however a solid SMS billing system coupled with this would be golden

If anyone wants to pitch us with this kind of setup, I'm all ears - terrence ( AT ) elitedollars.com

08-11-2009, 12:57 PM	#1
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	Ok, mobile porn topics are heating up, explain this on the subject of $$ I am getting hit up more often than usual for a "mobile porn" solution and sponsors etc.. and I see they all got these mobile redirect codes. Aren't you basically just taking your traffic and blind linking them to something other than the site they came to see? What if someone on an iphone or another web-capable device that has a decent browser just wants to look at the site they visit from home on a regular basis? Seems to me that would just piss people off redirecting blindly like that, but maybe I'm missing something? __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com

08-11-2009, 01:10 PM	#2
FlexxAeon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,765	this could get ugly... from my semi-limited knowledge. redirecting made more sense when phones could barely handle browsing, and you needed to push them to a WAP site or something similar. iphone came and basically kicked that in the nuts, as it can pretty much handle any site. but the viewing, as intuitive as the safari browser is, still leaves much to be desired with all the zooming you'd have to do for a site that's optimized for say a 1024x768. therefore, serving up a skinny site makes it easier to navigate. if you don't want to take the time to build a small site then a redirect or a whitelabel might work. but with phones becoming smarter by leaps and bounds in their attempt to be the "iphone killer", it's not always the best decision imho of course __________________ flexx [dot] aeon [at] gmail

08-11-2009, 01:12 PM	#3
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	exactly, todays phones are better, shouldn't need to be completely redirected without their permission. __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com

08-11-2009, 01:12 PM	#4
Bird Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Stockton Posts: 4,365	A proper redirection should check if it is in WURFL(Wireless Universal Resource Library) and "Is Mobile Device" and redirect accordingly. Most sites I look at DO NOT use WURFL and DO NOT have multiple sites for different mobile capabilities. UA(user agent) and MIME type detection is not enough. In my opinion most mobile traffic is lost because of an improper detection script. __________________ ICQ:268731675

08-11-2009, 03:29 PM	#14
troncarver Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,584	john it was my pleasure hanging out with you in FL, im gonna be hitting you up tommorrow at some point __________________ BADOINK.COM skype: troncarver

08-12-2009, 12:20 AM	#18
dialxs Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oss,Netherlands Posts: 15	There are a few detection scripts available , also for SMS billing in the US (also porn) there a a few possibilities. We have customers in the US using mobile SMS, PRS to bill their content sites, offcourse in a legal way __________________ Payment Service Provider

08-12-2009, 02:31 AM	#19
Thurbs The Thrilla in Manila Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Thurbs' Lagoon, Christmas Island Posts: 4,785	one of the questions I've had but never really bothered with until today, since some of our people that were at internext have sent in many things about it. 1. if it's a whitelabel, I assume your just pitching them on my brand, your backend, your billing, my domain ( got that ) 2. how are people giving that money to their affiliates? is anyone posting back some sort of payment system? or are most people except for the original provider ( the mobile site who has regular site ), just shaving a bit off the top with mobile? 3. who here has a solid short code system for US SMS billing? I know there are ways to do it, but does anyone have a simpler way? Something where the cell company 100% knows what it really is? I know mobile users can type in their cc info, and it's not that difficult, however a solid SMS billing system coupled with this would be golden If anyone wants to pitch us with this kind of setup, I'm all ears - terrence ( AT ) elitedollars.com