Intel's Quad core heat sink worst engineering disaster in 20 years.. - GoFuckYourself.com

crockett · 08-01-2009, 03:19 PM

Am I the only one whom thinks the heatsink set up Intel did with their quad cores is the biggest engineering disaster in computer history? They want you to mount a big chunk of aluminum with a fan on top onto a motherboard with plastic "push pins".

This POS thing gave me nothing but troubles trying to install it, when I first built my PC. Now the last few days my PC has be shutting down out of the blue. Well it turns out the POS heat sink set up pop out of the hole and the heat sink wasn't making contact.

So her I am for the last fucking 30 mins trying to get this god damn disaster of an engineering job to work and it wont. WTF were they thinking? When I bought the CPU it was $350 and they expect you to install it with the world worst heatsink design.

This is what I'm dealing with.. You are supposed to somehow hold a big ass heat sink on the cup "securely with those stupid ass "plastic" push pins.

tony286 · 08-01-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Am I the only one whom thinks the heatsink set up Intel did with their quad cores is the biggest engineering disaster in computer history? They want you to mount a big chunk of aluminum with a fan on top onto a motherboard with plastic "push pins".

This POS thing gave me nothing but troubles trying to install it, when I first built my PC. Now the last few days my PC has be shutting down out of the blue. Well it turns out the POS heat sink set up pop out of the hole and the heat sink wasn't making contact.

So her I am for the last fucking 30 mins trying to get this god damn disaster of an engineering job to work and it wont. WTF were they thinking? When I bought the CPU it was $350 and they expect you to install it with the world worst heatsink design.

This is what I'm dealing with.. You are supposed to somehow hold a big ass heat sink on the cup "securely with those stupid ass "plastic" push pins.

it does suck I went and bought one that uses screws instead much easier to use.

AaronM · 08-01-2009, 03:31 PM

Although the heat sink itself is a piece of shit, they stay on just fine if you look at the arrows and turn them the right way. If you don't, they can and often do pop out.

dav3 · 08-01-2009, 03:37 PM

I haven't used a stock cpu cooler in about a decade.

crockett · 08-01-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Although the heat sink itself is a piece of shit, they stay on just fine if you look at the arrows and turn them the right way. If you don't, they can and often do pop out.

Well the problem is I can't get all 4 pins to stay in. You get 2 in then try to get the last 2 in and it pops the first two out. It's a fucking engineering nightmare I swear to god. On top of this, I'm supposed to trust that this POS wont fall off and take out my video card in the process.

The only thing I can do is lay the PC on it's side and get it on there "somewhat" tight till I order a replacement.

woj · 08-01-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dav3

I haven't used a stock cpu cooler in about a decade.

yea, aftermarket coolers is the way to go

crockett · 08-01-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

yea, aftermarket coolers is the way to go

Well the reason I never bought a aftermarket one was because all the ones I see use the same damn plastic push pins. I just don't get why they dont have some set up that you screw it into place with 4 screws.

Intel always comes up with the must awkward fucked up heat sink mounts.

alias · 08-01-2009, 03:59 PM

Maybe it needs thermal tape?

Yngwie · 08-01-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Am I the only one whom thinks the heatsink set up Intel did with their quad cores is the biggest engineering disaster in computer history? They want you to mount a big chunk of aluminum with a fan on top onto a motherboard with plastic "push pins".

This POS thing gave me nothing but troubles trying to install it, when I first built my PC. Now the last few days my PC has be shutting down out of the blue. Well it turns out the POS heat sink set up pop out of the hole and the heat sink wasn't making contact.

So her I am for the last fucking 30 mins trying to get this god damn disaster of an engineering job to work and it wont. WTF were they thinking? When I bought the CPU it was $350 and they expect you to install it with the world worst heatsink design.

This is what I'm dealing with.. You are supposed to somehow hold a big ass heat sink on the cup "securely with those stupid ass "plastic" push pins.

When I bought a Pentuim D CPU years ago it was the same shit.. I said fuck it and bought another heatsink and fan.. No pins to deal with.. All screws..

crockett · 08-01-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Maybe it needs thermal tape?

I have thermal paste on it. It's the mounting system that sucks.

Yngwie · 08-01-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Well the problem is I can't get all 4 pins to stay in. You get 2 in then try to get the last 2 in and it pops the first two out. It's a fucking engineering nightmare I swear to god. On top of this, I'm supposed to trust that this POS wont fall off and take out my video card in the process.

The only thing I can do is lay the PC on it's side and get it on there "somewhat" tight till I order a replacement.

do it bottom left corner, top right corner first than do the other 2 pins.

Yngwie · 08-01-2009, 04:06 PM

This is the heatsink and fan that I bought. http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...re=Thermaltake

split_joel · 08-01-2009, 04:07 PM

Why cry about it when you can get a much better one. Those are not the only heat sinks out there. Also they don't suck they work pretty well any idiot can figure it out. The problem is you are so used to the way fans used to be and this is something new that is just as good or better. This is why apple no longer uses the marketing scheme "think different" apple products may be better then the norm but when you ask people to use there minds they become uninterested.

alias · 08-01-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

I have thermal paste on it. It's the mounting system that sucks.

Sure looks like it from the pictures, I gotcha on the whole plastic mounts on metal heatsink thing. Guess they can't win them all. Time to just just rig it =p.

Jarmusch · 08-01-2009, 04:15 PM

That's an unusual fan for an intel heatsink. Usually they use an open frame fan.

I have built two systems with 45nm C2D's (basically the same HSF as the Quad, except for the copper base) and the heatsinks clamped down hard enough to bend the motherboards and stayed very secure.

Twig · 08-01-2009, 04:15 PM

Ok, this isn't new to the Quad Core, nor is it an intel only problem. It's just the way that some manufacturers design their coolers. Plenty of people figured out how to use it, so why blame intel when you can't?
Anyhow, like others have said, go get a new one.
The time you spent posting in here, you could have already ordered one. Seeing as you're trying to use a stock cooler, you most likely aren't into overclocking so just about any decently rated cooler off of newegg or any other e-tailer will work just fine for your cooling needs.

crockett · 08-01-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Yngwie

This is the heatsink and fan that I bought. http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...re=Thermaltake

Yes that's the one I was looking at, but the pictures don't really show how it mounts.

Boobzooka · 08-01-2009, 04:22 PM

Not my pic, but this is the last one I installed: Scythe Mine. And this was their shrunk down "mini" version. lol

Twig · 08-01-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Boobzooka

Not my pic, but this is the last one I installed: Scythe Mine. And this was their shrunk down "mini" version. lol

Scythe makes very high quality coolers for the most part. Even the mini is overkill for normal pc users though.

Yngwie · 08-01-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Yes that's the one I was looking at, but the pictures don't really show how it mounts.

here you go http://www.dvhardware.net/review97_blueorb-fx.html

Yngwie · 08-01-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Boobzooka

Not my pic, but this is the last one I installed: Scythe Mine. And this was their shrunk down "mini" version. lol

I was gonna get that one, but that would not fit in my case even though I have a good size case.

Yngwie · 08-01-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Yngwie

here you go http://www.dvhardware.net/review97_blueorb-fx.html

scrap that link.. Go to this one http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Thermaltake/BlueOrb2

k0nr4d · 08-01-2009, 04:38 PM

I'm sure you touched the cpu when installing. Shit like that is tested 10000x before its released...

crockett · 08-01-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Yngwie

scrap that link.. Go to this one http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Thermaltake/BlueOrb2

Yea after looking at the pictures next top the one I have now, that one will never fit. My Mobo is a gigabyte and it has some real big built on heat sinks for the chip sets.

Major (Tom) · 08-01-2009, 05:02 PM

get the single processor liquid cooling rig. i use that for all my builds

Duke

Yngwie · 08-01-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

get the single processor liquid cooling rig. i use that for all my builds

Duke

I'm thinking of going that route. Will free up room and make the cpu run ever cooler. Might even go as far as getting the setup with the video card shit.. My video card runs hot as fuck even though I don't do anything that's graphically intensive.. It's an old video card though.. Geforce 7800GT..

Yngwie · 08-01-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Yea after looking at the pictures next top the one I have now, that one will never fit. My Mobo is a gigabyte and it has some real big built on heat sinks for the chip sets.

ah.. so the heatsink on the northbridge is in the way.

Twig · 08-01-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Yngwie

I'm thinking of going that route. Will free up room and make the cpu run ever cooler. Might even go as far as getting the setup with the video card shit.. My video card runs hot as fuck even though I don't do anything that's graphically intensive.. It's an old video card though.. Geforce 7800GT..

You could also save the extra money and stay air-cooled and just get a newer video card that has a better stock cooler.

Here's my cooler: http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...=&aqi=&start=0
Got it free with rebate from newegg couple years ago.

Yngwie · 08-01-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Twig

You could also save the extra money and stay air-cooled and just get a newer video card that has a better stock cooler.

Here's my cooler: http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...=&aqi=&start=0
Got it free with rebate from newegg couple years ago.

well, I thought about getting a new video card. Will look into that when I have the extra $.

rowan · 08-01-2009, 08:03 PM

It's already been said above, but perhaps not clearly... are the screws on each leg oriented the correct way? One direction is "push & lock", the other is "release"

I've installed, hmmm, looks like 6 stock coolers over the past 18 months, haven't had any probs...

rowan · 08-01-2009, 08:07 PM

Actually, come to think of it, the last stock cooler I installed was yesterday... :D The mainboard is still naked, for testing purposes, so I had a quick look. Assuming your cooler is similar, the slot on each pin should point "towards" the heatsink. If it's sideways then it's unlocked.

ungratefulninja · 08-01-2009, 11:26 PM

Actually had zero issues with that heatsink in a couple installs once I got it installed. I agree its kind of a pain to get on.

On my HTPC I used the Scythe Mini Ninja so I could go fanless with a Core2duo.

rowan · 08-02-2009, 12:11 AM

The only problems I have with the stock cooler are wondering how the hell the mainboard can take that kind of mechanical stress.

Plus the more recent ones seem to be less chunky and more cheaply made... the one on the left is from a Pentium D circa 2005, the one on the right from a more recent dual core CPU. It's about a third of the weight and has no copper.

BTW... left side is locked (use this to install), right is unlocked

crockett · 08-02-2009, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Yngwie

ah.. so the heatsink on the northbridge is in the way.

Yes I'm running a Giggabyte P35-DQ6 which had just been released when I built this machine. That's the reason I didn't buy a custom cpu cooler when I first built the machine, because there were not many reviews on the mobo and no on had any articles on what heat sinks would fit.

I had planned on buying an aftermarket heat sink but I managed to get the OEM on to work, so I kind of forgot about replacing it until now.

This is pics of what I'm dealing with so I have limited room around the CPU, meaning any aftermarket heat sink would need to go vertical.

crockett · 08-02-2009, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan

It's already been said above, but perhaps not clearly... are the screws on each leg oriented the correct way? One direction is "push & lock", the other is "release"

I've installed, hmmm, looks like 6 stock coolers over the past 18 months, haven't had any probs...

Well it seems kind of like it's bent or something, because no matter what I try, I can't get all the pegs to stay in the mobo. I get 3 in and the 4th is always not all the way in. It doesn't matter which side, it's always the last one I push in causes the the one diagonally away from it to pop out.

Manowar · 08-02-2009, 04:04 AM

termal paste is a bitch, the amount of times i have seen it wrong applied and just compliment the melting process of cpus is unreal

grumpy · 08-02-2009, 05:43 AM

take out the motherboard, install the cpu then put it back

bronco67 · 08-02-2009, 10:27 AM

Why would you pay 300 or more for a cpu, be serious enough to install it yourself, and use the 10 dollar piece of crap Intel gives you?

Its like buying an ipod and keeping those crappy headphones Apple includes.

AaronM · 08-02-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Well the problem is I can't get all 4 pins to stay in. You get 2 in then try to get the last 2 in and it pops the first two out. It's a fucking engineering nightmare I swear to god. On top of this, I'm supposed to trust that this POS wont fall off and take out my video card in the process.

The only thing I can do is lay the PC on it's side and get it on there "somewhat" tight till I order a replacement.

Again, look at the arrows on the black tabs on top of the connectors. If they are not turned the right direction that will happen. If they are turned correctly, it will not happen.

Jarmusch · 08-02-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan

Plus the more recent ones seem to be less chunky and more cheaply made... the one on the left is from a Pentium D circa 2005, the one on the right from a more recent dual core CPU. It's about a third of the weight and has no copper.

The recent ones seem less chunky because the Core family CPU's run much cooler than Pentium D's. And the Core 2 Quad heatsinks do have a copper base...

Slutboat · 08-02-2009, 12:38 PM

Another prime example of why every designer, programmer, editor, and animator that I know (even the MOST die hard PC lovers) have all switched to mac.

crockett · 08-02-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Why would you pay 300 or more for a cpu, be serious enough to install it yourself, and use the 10 dollar piece of crap Intel gives you?

Its like buying an ipod and keeping those crappy headphones Apple includes.

Read what I posted above. I built this machine when that mobo had just been released. There were no tech reviews saying what heat sinks would fit and it was a concern brought up in the one review that I read. Stating that a few they had on hand didn't fit.

Because of that I never ordered a heat sink when I built the machine I just used the OEM one, and never changed it out because I never had issues until now. Everything in this machine is high end when I built it, with the exception of the heat sink.

crockett · 08-02-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Slutboat

Another prime example of why every designer, programmer, editor, and animator that I know (even the MOST die hard PC lovers) have all switched to mac.

I have a PC and a mac and they both serve their purpose.

bronco67 · 08-02-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Read what I posted above. I built this machine when that mobo had just been released. There were no tech reviews saying what heat sinks would fit and it was a concern brought up in the one review that I read. Stating that a few they had on hand didn't fit.

Because of that I never ordered a heat sink when I built the machine I just used the OEM one, and never changed it out because I never had issues until now. Everything in this machine is high end when I built it, with the exception of the heat sink.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835227005

I highly recommend the Domino ALC water cooler. Its about 75 bucks, installs so easily and keeps the CPU a few degrees cooler than most Hsink Fans. I have 3 of them and will continue to buy for my rigs until they stop making it.

The best part about it is the free space around the CPU, so you can easily swap out RAM.

Iron Fist · 08-02-2009, 04:11 PM

AMD for the win.

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crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Intel's Quad core heat sink worst engineering disaster in 20 years.. Am I the only one whom thinks the heatsink set up Intel did with their quad cores is the biggest engineering disaster in computer history? They want you to mount a big chunk of aluminum with a fan on top onto a motherboard with plastic "push pins". This POS thing gave me nothing but troubles trying to install it, when I first built my PC. Now the last few days my PC has be shutting down out of the blue. Well it turns out the POS heat sink set up pop out of the hole and the heat sink wasn't making contact. So her I am for the last fucking 30 mins trying to get this god damn disaster of an engineering job to work and it wont. WTF were they thinking? When I bought the CPU it was $350 and they expect you to install it with the world worst heatsink design. This is what I'm dealing with.. You are supposed to somehow hold a big ass heat sink on the cup "securely with those stupid ass "plastic" push pins. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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split_joel Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,270	Why cry about it when you can get a much better one. Those are not the only heat sinks out there. Also they don't suck they work pretty well any idiot can figure it out. The problem is you are so used to the way fans used to be and this is something new that is just as good or better. This is why apple no longer uses the marketing scheme "think different" apple products may be better then the norm but when you ask people to use there minds they become uninterested. __________________ E-mail marketing - Automation Scripting - IP Space AIM: splitjoelp ICQ: 254759453 skype - splitjoelp 702-941-6465

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Jarmusch Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 12,464	That's an unusual fan for an intel heatsink. Usually they use an open frame fan. I have built two systems with 45nm C2D's (basically the same HSF as the Quad, except for the copper base) and the heatsinks clamped down hard enough to bend the motherboards and stayed very secure.

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Twig Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ICQ - 703894 Posts: 1,949	Ok, this isn't new to the Quad Core, nor is it an intel only problem. It's just the way that some manufacturers design their coolers. Plenty of people figured out how to use it, so why blame intel when you can't? Anyhow, like others have said, go get a new one. The time you spent posting in here, you could have already ordered one. Seeing as you're trying to use a stock cooler, you most likely aren't into overclocking so just about any decently rated cooler off of newegg or any other e-tailer will work just fine for your cooling needs. __________________

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rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	It's already been said above, but perhaps not clearly... are the screws on each leg oriented the correct way? One direction is "push & lock", the other is "release" I've installed, hmmm, looks like 6 stock coolers over the past 18 months, haven't had any probs...

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rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Actually, come to think of it, the last stock cooler I installed was yesterday... :D The mainboard is still naked, for testing purposes, so I had a quick look. Assuming your cooler is similar, the slot on each pin should point "towards" the heatsink. If it's sideways then it's unlocked.

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ungratefulninja Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 682	Actually had zero issues with that heatsink in a couple installs once I got it installed. I agree its kind of a pain to get on. On my HTPC I used the Scythe Mini Ninja so I could go fanless with a Core2duo.

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rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	The only problems I have with the stock cooler are wondering how the hell the mainboard can take that kind of mechanical stress. Plus the more recent ones seem to be less chunky and more cheaply made... the one on the left is from a Pentium D circa 2005, the one on the right from a more recent dual core CPU. It's about a third of the weight and has no copper. BTW... left side is locked (use this to install), right is unlocked Last edited by rowan; 08-02-2009 at 12:13 AM..

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