Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16131174)

Fuck you. You think I just sat here and made up this story? Go fuck yourself.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16130622)

There is a reason our health system is the best money can buy. Because they get a healthy return on it. Yeah. You have a problem with that? Where do you think we would be if investors did not make bank on things like medical research?

Why do you think Communism doesn't work? Lack of incentive.



No kidding.



Australia ? Population: 21,007,310 (July 2008 est.)
Canada ? Population: 33,212,696 (July 2008 est.)
United States ? Population: 304,059,724 - Jul 2008

Originally Posted by Exotic Gold (Post 16131183)

Yeah I think you made up some bullshit talking point to post your stupid anti-healthcare rant. I have several college friends who work in pharma research and between headhunters from Switzerland and Germany and poaching in San Jose, they are awash in cash.

These guys are working 50-60 hour weeks to keep up with demand.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 16131184)

I don't see what population has to do with it. health care is paid for by taxes, the more people the more taxes..so whats the problem?

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 16130007)

I still agree with socialized medicine. It works in Cuba where the government has barely any money, it has to work in the US.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16131186)

You are a fucking idiot.

Originally Posted by Exotic Gold (Post 16131190)

I'm an idiot because I hung out with chem-dorks in college?

Guilty as charged I guess.

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 16130007)

I still agree with socialized medicine. It works in Cuba where the government has barely any money, it has to work in the US.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16131194)

You are an idiot if you think I am making up a story about a private medical research facility in CA that is hurting because investors are anxious about what Obama will do.

Yes, you are a fucking idiot.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16131186)

You are a fucking idiot.



Really? You don't think the waiting lines will be any different?

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 16130121)

I am hearing from friends they are receiving letters from their doctors saying they will close their practice if Obama's health "care" passes.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16131194)

You are an idiot if you think I am making up a story about a private medical research facility in CA that is hurting because investors are anxious about what Obama will do.

Yes, you are a fucking idiot.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16131194)

A friend of mine works at a major medical research facility in LA, and I guess they are very upset with Obama right about now.

They depend on investors so they can carry on their medical and drug research. Unfortunately, being investors they expect a return on their investment, and under the current administration they don't know who is going to be the owners of any discoveries they may find.

Since there is no ROI, they have pretty much discontinued their investing. From what I have been told, drug research in the US has pretty much come to a standstill while they wait to see what Obama does next.

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 16130007)

I still agree with socialized medicine. It works in Cuba where the government has barely any money, it has to work in the US.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 16130449)

Consider the source:

Cybercast News Service (CNS) is a subsidiary of the conservative news monitoring group, the Media Research Center (MRC). Originally calling itself the "Conservative News Service," CNS changed its name to Cybercast in 2000.

Here is what the Founder and President of that organization, Brent "Bozo" Bozell, recently wrote about the CNBC documentary "Porn: Business of Pleasure":



Here is a link to the "Porn: Business-of-Pleasure" program

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 16130121)

I am hearing from friends they are receiving letters from their doctors saying they will close their practice if Obama's health "care" passes.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 16131209)

Do you think health care facilities will just close up shop because they are getting paid from the government instead of insurance companies?

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 16130013)

I know right!! I remember when I arrived in Paris Island I was given so many shots... they literally swab up and down both arms and legs and then you go through a line with about 18 stations... each one gives you a different shot... who the fuck knows what was in those things...

Not to mention deploying to another country where you get at least an 8 shot series... don't even get me started on the Anthrax vaccination that I got all 6 shots in the series for... people that refused were stripped of rank and pay. Then months later when they said, "Opps! It may cause birth defects and not really be effective and we don't know the proper dosage" everyone that refused was given their rank and pay back.

For those of you that don't know that 6 shot series is brutal. It gives most people horrible nightmares from which you wake up in a pool of your own sweat... Many peoples' arms swell to over twice their normal size and whatever arm you were vaccinated in is useless for about two days... that's FUCKED up.

Originally Posted by BobG (Post 16130054)

What would you prefer Obama does regarding health care reform? Nothing right?

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 16130073)

"Unfortunately, most health care "reform'' proposals either make marginal changes or exacerbate the problem. This is because they fail to address the root of the problem with health care, which is that government polices encourage excessive reliance on third-party payers. The excessive reliance on third-party payers removes all incentive from individual patients to concern themselves with health care costs. Laws and policies promoting Health Maintenance Organizations (HMOs) resulted from a desperate attempt to control spiraling costs. However, instead of promoting an efficient health care system, HMOs further took control over health care away from the individual patient and physician.

Furthermore, the predominance of third-party payers means there is effectively no market for individual health insurance polices, thus those whose employers cannot offer them health benefits must either pay exorbitant fees for health insurance or do without health insurance. Since most health care providers cater to those with health insurance, it is very difficult for the uninsured to find health care that meets their needs at an affordable price. The result is many of the uninsured turn to government-funded health care systems, or use their local emergency room as their primary care physician. The result of this is declining health for the uninsured and increased burden on taxpayer-financed health care system.

Returning control over health care to the individual is the key to true health care reform. The Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act puts control of health care back into the hands of the individual through tax credits, tax deductions, Health Care Savings Accounts (HSA), and Flexible Savings Accounts. By giving individuals tax incentives to purchase their own health care, the Comprehensive Health Care Act will help more Americans obtain quality health insurance and health care. Specifically, the Comprehensive Health Care Act:

A. Provides all Americans with a tax credit for 100 percent of health care expenses. The tax credit is fully refundable against both income and payroll taxes.

B. Allows individuals to roll over unused amounts in cafeteria plans and Flexible Savings Accounts (FSA).

C. Makes every American eligible for a Health Savings Account (HSA), removes the requirement that individuals must obtain a high-deductible insurance policy to open an HSA; allows individuals to use their HSA to make premiums payments for high-deductible policy; and allows senior citizens to use their HSA to purchase Medigap policies.

D. Repeals the 7.5 percent threshold for the deduction of medical expenses, thus making all medical expenses tax deductible.

By providing a wide range of options, this bill allows individual Americans to choose the method of financing health care that best suits their individual needs. Increasing frustration with the current health care system is leading more and more Americans to embrace this approach to health care reform. For example, a poll by the respected Zogby firm showed that over 80 percent of Americans support providing all Americans with access to a Health Savings Account. I hope all my colleagues will join this effort to put individuals back in control of health care by cosponsoring the Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act. "

Originally Posted by raven1083 (Post 16131740)

lets wait for Obama's next move

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 16130527)

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16129899)

A friend of mine works at a major medical research facility in LA, and I guess they are very upset with Obama right about now.

They depend on investors so they can carry on their medical and drug research. Unfortunately, being investors they expect a return on their investment, and under the current administration they don't know who is going to be the owners of any discoveries they may find.

Since there is no ROI, they have pretty much discontinued their investing. From what I have been told, drug research in the US has pretty much come to a standstill while they wait to see what Obama does next.

Originally Posted by Cyandin (Post 16132688)

No offense to you BD, but fuck your friends research facility.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16132695)

Is ignorance painful?

Originally Posted by LA_quince (Post 16132720)

Obama is the first president that I believe touched the people

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 16132914)

alot of a certain color cant accept a black man being their leader:2 cents: so there is name calling and threats which is to be expected its time for a change

http://carpefactum.typepad.com/photo...rack_obama.jpg

This is your leader give him a chance :)

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16132924)

I love how racists seem to think this is anything to do with race.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16132924)

I love how racists seem to think this is anything to do with race.

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 16133533)

The sky is always falling.

At least now, ammo is back in stock at the gun shows and the prices have gone down.