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marketsmart 07-31-2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16129899)
A friend of mine works at a major medical research facility in LA, and I guess they are very upset with Obama right about now.

They depend on investors so they can carry on their medical and drug research. Unfortunately, being investors they expect a return on their investment, and under the current administration they don't know who is going to be the owners of any discoveries they may find.

Since there is no ROI, they have pretty much discontinued their investing. From what I have been told, drug research in the US has pretty much come to a standstill while they wait to see what Obama does next.

why don't you just move somewhere else if you think the US sucks so bad..

or at your age, why not start a revolution... :thumbsup

baddog 07-31-2009 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16130271)
why don't you just move somewhere else if you think the US sucks so bad..

or at your age, why not start a revolution... :thumbsup

I was here first.

brassmonkey 07-31-2009 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16130271)
why don't you just move somewhere else if you think the US sucks so bad..

or at your age, why not start a revolution... :thumbsup

:1orglaugh damn

SonOfaBeach 07-31-2009 04:01 PM

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marketsmart 07-31-2009 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16130295)
I was here first.

thats what the indians (the woo woo's not the "welcome to 7-11" indians) and you see how that turned out for them... :2 cents:

brassmonkey 07-31-2009 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfaBeach (Post 16130331)

:Kissmy .....

HerPimp 07-31-2009 04:10 PM

Way too much power and money for any politician to play with. States should seperate and go back to fending for themselves.

2012 07-31-2009 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfaBeach (Post 16130331)



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Semi-Retired-Dave 07-31-2009 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy (Post 16129902)
theres 2 sides to every story...

:1orglaugh Very true!

baddog 07-31-2009 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16130340)
thats what the indians (the woo woo's not the "welcome to 7-11" indians) and you see how that turned out for them... :2 cents:

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2012 07-31-2009 04:19 PM


F-U-Jimmy 07-31-2009 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16130235)
:1orglaugh Please



Bingo.



You're funny. I was talking to a Canadian friend of mine a couple days ago. He went in for a stomach pain. Doctor said with his history good chance it could be colon cancer.

He set him up for tests that will take place in October and he will get the results a month after that.

Same in the UK Our health care is free (taxes pay for it, National Insurance ) But you can wait years to get seen, most people die before they can get help with serious issues :321GFY

dyna mo 07-31-2009 04:22 PM

private pharma companies don’t do basic research. They do productization research, and only for well-known medical conditions that have a lot of commercial value (ROI)to solve.

The government funds research, whether it’s done by government scientists or by academic scientists whose work is funded overwhelmingly by government grants.

baddog 07-31-2009 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 16130023)
you are an idiot. :2 cents:

these are DRUG COMPANIES, greedier than oil companies, and you somehow think drug research has come to a standstill? :1orglaugh

I am not talking about a drug company, I am talking about private enterprise, like a hospital that has a research department. Places that rely on investors.

I am not going to name the place as I know they do not want their name on GFY, but you know of them most likely.

baddog 07-31-2009 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy (Post 16130402)
Same in the UK Our health care is free (taxes pay for it, National Insurance ) But you can wait years to get seen, most people die before they can get help with serious issues :321GFY

That is why senior citizens are made to think they will intentionally be put on hold so that they can die before the system has to invest any money in keeping them alive.

It is an easy sell.

fartfly, not sure. You trying to imply this is a race issue?

HerPimp 07-31-2009 04:27 PM

If your broke in the US healthcare sucks.
If you have health insurance it is not bad.
If you have money, it is the best in the world.

Thats right, the US has the best healthcare MONEY can buy. So get back to work!!

tony286 07-31-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16130235)
:1orglaugh Please



Bingo.



You're funny. I was talking to a Canadian friend of mine a couple days ago. He went in for a stomach pain. Doctor said with his history good chance it could be colon cancer.

He set him up for tests that will take place in October and he will get the results a month after that.

I got one better. We are in the hospital room,the doctor comes in and tells my father its cancer in his brain it doesnt look good and in the next breath says it can take from at least two weeks to a month to see the specialist. If my mother didn't work in the executive offices of a major hospital and knew people to call to pull strings ,ask favors and go to war with the insurance company. My father wouldn't of lasted the 18 months he did.

baddog 07-31-2009 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 16130434)
I got one better. We are in the hospital room,the doctor comes in and tells my father its cancer in his brain it doesnt look good and in the next breath says it can take from at least two weeks to a month to see the specialist. If my mother didn't work in the executive offices of a major hospital and knew people to call to pull strings ,ask favors and go to war with the insurance company. My father wouldn't of lasted the 18 months he did.

And you think socialized medicine is the way to go?

marketsmart 07-31-2009 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16130379)

Yes, casinos were the least we could give them after stealing there land and mass murdering their people. It always amuses me how we place so much emphasis on the holocaust and slavery, yet we always seem to forget about native americans.

The fact of the matter is that even with casinos, the majority of indians live well below the poverty line..

I guess corruption embraces all colors... :2 cents:

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 07-31-2009 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 16129907)
Here's some more on the same topic:

State health authorities have already confirmed that if the government were to announce a mandatory vaccination program, then there would be no exemptions whatsoever and the program could be carried out with the use of force if necessary.

As reported by CNS News earlier this month, a health-care reform bill approved by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee called The Affordable Health Choices Act, will fund the creation of state ?intervention? teams that will carry out home visits in order to check that both children and adults have been vaccinated and also provide ?provision of immunizations?.

Consider the source:

Cybercast News Service (CNS) is a subsidiary of the conservative news monitoring group, the Media Research Center (MRC). Originally calling itself the "Conservative News Service," CNS changed its name to Cybercast in 2000.

Here is what the Founder and President of that organization, Brent "Bozo" Bozell, recently wrote about the CNBC documentary "Porn: Business of Pleasure":

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On society's list of most shameful professions, the pornographer would be near the top. What must pornographers think of themselves? They would argue that their industry has joined the mainstream, yet for porn performers, it's a sordid career fraught with perils of drugs, disease and, in the darker corners of porn, exploitation and abuse.

Take the case of a true pervert, Paul Little, who calls himself "Max Hardcore." The British author Martin Amis submerged himself in the sleaziest subcultures of sex on film for the British newspaper The Guardian a few years ago. He recalled the making of Little's "Hollywood Hardcore 13." The film included a series of ... excretory humiliations.

In these scenes, Little talks to down to actress Cloey Adams, who is pretending to be a child. "If you're a good girl, I'll take you to McDonald's later and get you a Happy Meal." After she submits to his disgusting desires, she then asks, "What do you think of your little princess now, Daddy?"

Just reading the gross-out titles of Little's DVDs ought to tell the story. One of them is "Golden Guzzlers 7." Little has another series called "Anal Auditions."

Pardon the grotesque details, but they're essential. The "mainstream" media simply omit these wretched realities in order to "mainstream" this kind of madness. Paul Little was indicted during the Bush years by the Department of Justice and convicted for distributing his pornography in the mail. He began serving a 46-month term in Los Angeles in January, while lawyers appeal the verdict.

And believe it or not, Little is now one of the sympathetic subjects of a new smut-exploiting CNBC documentary called "Porn: Business of Pleasure." On July 15, CNBC anchor Melissa Lee, the lead pseudo-investigator of the porn industry, presented Little as a First Amendment casualty.

She sat down with Little and asked sympathetically: "Are there plenty of things out there that there would be an audience for, but society says 'Not for us'?" The line of questioning is chilling. Child pornography is something "there would be an audience for," yes. So, too, are snuff films. Would she scorn "society" for disapproving of those, too?

Little boasted in reply: "Society has spoken. There's more people buying my videos than there are people protesting my videos." Ditto, snuff films.

Clearly, not enough people have any idea of what kind of sickness reigns in Max Hardcore videos. CNBC was more interested in exploiting Little's reputation rather than denouncing it. "He's the dirtiest man in America," they cooed in a promo, emphasizing the naughty fun, not the temptation to vomit.

In promoting her smutty documentary, the audaciously ambitious Lee played up the centrality of porn to American pop culture. "It's as mainstream as [NBC's] Must-See TV," she proclaimed on her regular CNBC show "Fast Money." NBC should have fired her on the spot for comparing their shows to "Golden Guzzlers 7."

CNBC's porn extravaganza offered just two brief interruptions from porn critics. Pat Trueman appeared about halfway into the hour to explain how porn can be illegal. Recovered porn addict Michael Leahy appeared briefly to explain how his porn habit ruined his marriage and his relationship with his sons.

But viewers mostly saw a parade of pornographic product placement and cordial interviews with a series of porn-makers, including porn star-slash-Oklahoma mom "Jesse Jane," whose 9-year-old son doesn't yet know "exactly" what his mother does for a living. The supposedly saddest moment is porn CEO Steven Hirsch lamenting that all the free-porn websites are killing his profits, and with the suspicion that free sites are pirating his films, "now we have to spend money policing the Internet." Cue the violins.

CNBC is the Consumer News and Business Channel, and what this has to do with news or business is beyond me. They're trying to shore up their dreadfully low prime time numbers by celebrating all kinds of sleazy money-making schemes, and saying -- and can't you just hear this -- "it's a business like any other!" CNBC has also recently aired specials on prostitution, and on the marijuana business. This kind of special is the prostituting of journalism; this compares to "business news" about the same way that Nancy Grace's lurid crime interviews compare to hard news.

Shame on CNBC for making no attempt to police the porn industry. Instead, viewers were urged to buy the documentary on DVD with "more [porn] star extras." If porn is just a business like any other, can we expect the next CNBC special to focus on sugar beet growers, or bicycle makers? I think everyone knows the answer.
Here is a link to the "Porn: Business-of-Pleasure" program

ADG

dyna mo 07-31-2009 04:38 PM

i have a dream catcher hanging from the rearview on my pickup truck

marketsmart 07-31-2009 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16130456)
i have a dream catcher hanging from the rearview on my pickup truck

it was probably made in china.. :1orglaugh

dyna mo 07-31-2009 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 16130449)
Consider the source:

Cybercast News Service (CNS) is a subsidiary of the conservative news monitoring group, the Media Research Center (MRC). Originally calling itself the "Conservative News Service," CNS changed its name to Cybercast in 2000.

Here is what the Founder and President of that organization, Brent "Bozo" Bozell, recently wrote about the CNBC documentary "Porn: Business of Pleasure":



Here is a link to the "Porn: Business-of-Pleasure" program

ADG

that's an accurate review of the *documentary*

dyna mo 07-31-2009 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16130461)
it was probably made in china.. :1orglaugh

true, but i bought it at a genuine native american souvenir/rest stop on i-40. got an arrow head too, not sure where it was made.

kane 07-31-2009 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16129899)
A friend of mine works at a major medical research facility in LA, and I guess they are very upset with Obama right about now.

They depend on investors so they can carry on their medical and drug research. Unfortunately, being investors they expect a return on their investment, and under the current administration they don't know who is going to be the owners of any discoveries they may find.

Since there is no ROI, they have pretty much discontinued their investing. From what I have been told, drug research in the US has pretty much come to a standstill while they wait to see what Obama does next.

If I am reading this correctly they are saying that the Obama administration may come in and take control of any discoveries that they find and not allow them to sell them to other companies/labs?

baddog 07-31-2009 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 16130472)
If I am reading this correctly they are saying that the Obama administration may come in and take control of any discoveries that they find and not allow them to sell them to other companies/labs?

Well, I can't ask right now, but as I understand it their fear is along the lines of if medicine is funded by the government they may claim rights to whatever they produce.

I will ask more questions when I see them tomorrow.

epitome 07-31-2009 05:03 PM

You mean we're not going to get more drugs that fix a minor ailment but causes 14 diseases, three types of discharge and blindness?

Our loss!

StickyGreen 07-31-2009 05:05 PM

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epitome 07-31-2009 05:07 PM

I don't know why these people are afraid.

There is no such thing as eminent domain for intellectual property.

The rightful owner will always be the rightful owner.

The only thing that they should be afraid of is the government refusing to get raped on pricing and if these companies want to play, they will have to live with realistic and average profit margins.

The alternative is to not play.

Let me guess...are these concerned people registered Republicans?

The fact of the matter is these people are afraid that they're going to have to play business by the regular rules.

kane 07-31-2009 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16130521)
Well, I can't ask right now, but as I understand it their fear is along the lines of if medicine is funded by the government they may claim rights to whatever they produce.

I will ask more questions when I see them tomorrow.

I could see that. If all medicine suddenly was under the government control then the for-profit side of it would disappear (at least for many companies.) I wonder then if a company like this one would then be funded by the government instead of having private investors.

Still, I think there is little chance of the government controlling all of the health care system in this country. I think we will ultimately end up with some kind of government health insurance that anyone can buy and the price you pay would be determined by your income level. If you couldn't afford to pay you would be given it for free.

To get a socialized system like they have in Canada and other countries would require a huge overhaul of the entire system and I don't think there is any chance of that happening.

baddog 07-31-2009 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 16130543)
I could see that. If all medicine suddenly was under the government control then the for-profit side of it would disappear (at least for many companies.) I wonder then if a company like this one would then be funded by the government instead of having private investors.

Yeah, the government is going to be doling out the dollars. I am sure. :1orglaugh

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Still, I think there is little chance of the government controlling all of the health care system in this country. I think we will ultimately end up with some kind of government health insurance that anyone can buy and the price you pay would be determined by your income level. If you couldn't afford to pay you would be given it for free.

To get a socialized system like they have in Canada and other countries would require a huge overhaul of the entire system and I don't think there is any chance of that happening.
Not going to argue with you there, just stating the fact that apparently investors have been holding back for several months because they don't know what is going to happen next.

epitome 07-31-2009 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16130521)
Well, I can't ask right now, but as I understand it their fear is along the lines of if medicine is funded by the government they may claim rights to whatever they produce.

I will ask more questions when I see them tomorrow.

So essentially, all we have here is some people that are afraid of something that may or may not even happen?

That would be like me saying that I am not going to buy a new car because Obama may come into my garage and take it.

Reading between the lines, I think these investors are realizing that the obscene profits available in medicine may evaporate and are plotting where they're going to drop their pallets of cash next. They don't want just a healthy return when they can have an obscene return. I cannot fault them for that, but they should call it for what it is.

Houdini 07-31-2009 05:28 PM

The government can't even get this cash for clunkers program running smoothly, you think they can manage our health care lol

Sausage 07-31-2009 05:29 PM

Cut my thumb half off 4 years ago, rocked up to hospital was seen after 10 mins and fixed. Cost $0.

Broke my nose 2 years ago, rocked up, got seen within 15 mins, cost $0.

Broke my wrist last year, rocked up, got seen straight away, cost $0.

Had a lump, had to get major surgery, got it the next day, had a week stay in hospital and it cost me $0.

I have health insurance, but have never been asked for it and in fact half the time they don't even ask my name.. the public system here is more than ok. I have a hard time believing that the richest country in the world can't even provide healthcare for it's people. You have 3rd world countries with a better healthcare system than you have. My insurance for a month stay over there is more than I pay per year for my health insurance here.

kane 07-31-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16130557)
Yeah, the government is going to be doling out the dollars. I am sure. :1orglaugh

I think they might fund it, but not as a for-profit business. Basically they pay costs and salary, but nothing on top of that.


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Not going to argue with you there, just stating the fact that apparently investors have been holding back for several months because they don't know what is going to happen next.
I can see how that would be. I wouldn't invest in something if I thought in a few months my money would be gone and there would be no chance of every getting anything in return.

baddog 07-31-2009 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 16130565)
Reading between the lines, I think these investors are realizing that the obscene profits available in medicine may evaporate and are plotting where they're going to drop their pallets of cash next. They don't want just a healthy return when they can have an obscene return. I cannot fault them for that, but they should call it for what it is.

There is a reason our health system is the best money can buy. Because they get a healthy return on it. Yeah. You have a problem with that? Where do you think we would be if investors did not make bank on things like medical research?

Why do you think Communism doesn't work? Lack of incentive.

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Originally Posted by Houdini (Post 16130588)
The government can't even get this cash for clunkers program running smoothly, you think they can manage our health care lol

No kidding.

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Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 16130594)
Cut my thumb half off 4 years ago, rocked up to hospital was seen after 10 mins and fixed. Cost $0.

Broke my nose 2 years ago, rocked up, got seen within 15 mins, cost $0.

Broke my wrist last year, rocked up, got seen straight away, cost $0.

Had a lump, had to get major surgery, got it the next day, had a week stay in hospital and it cost me $0.

I have health insurance, but have never been asked for it and in fact half the time they don't even ask my name.. the public system here is more than ok. I have a hard time believing that the richest country in the world can't even provide healthcare for it's people. You have 3rd world countries with a better healthcare system than you have. My insurance for a month stay over there is more than I pay per year for my health insurance here.

Australia ? Population: 21,007,310 (July 2008 est.)
Canada ? Population: 33,212,696 (July 2008 est.)
United States ? Population: 304,059,724 - Jul 2008

Exotic Gold 07-31-2009 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16129899)
A friend of mine works at a major medical research facility in LA, and I guess they are very upset with Obama right about now.

They depend on investors so they can carry on their medical and drug research. Unfortunately, being investors they expect a return on their investment, and under the current administration they don't know who is going to be the owners of any discoveries they may find.

Since there is no ROI, they have pretty much discontinued their investing. From what I have been told, drug research in the US has pretty much come to a standstill while they wait to see what Obama does next.

Anyway you are completely full of shit. I have several friends who work in pharma in Silicon Valley and they are doling out loyalty bonuses and perks like never before because the headhunting is at an all time high.

I call shenanigans.

A close personal friend was offered a $50k retention bonus and an ownership stake in the r&d company he works for. The don't do that shit if the money isn't flowing.

STAROTICA 07-31-2009 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16130340)
thats what the indians (the woo woo's not the "welcome to 7-11" indians) and you see how that turned out for them... :2 cents:

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baddog 07-31-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Exotic Gold (Post 16131164)
Anyway you are completely full of shit.

Fuck you. You think I just sat here and made up this story? Go fuck yourself.

STAROTICA 07-31-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16130441)
Yes, casinos were the least we could give them after stealing there land and mass murdering their people. It always amuses me how we place so much emphasis on the holocaust and slavery, yet we always seem to forget about native americans.

The fact of the matter is that even with casinos, the majority of indians live well below the poverty line..

I guess corruption embraces all colors... :2 cents:

hey they got.............Custer's Last Stand :(


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