Why is everyone only bitching about tubes? Torrents are just as bad or worse.... - GoFuckYourself.com

PornNewz · 07-29-2009, 08:21 AM

There?s a lot of adult studios bitching about piracy these days, but if you listen to them, they seem to get locked in on tube sites and completely disregard the other ways digital piracy is killing our bottom lines. To give you an idea, a recent conversation between myself and a very impassioned adult studio representative went something like this:

Nate: ?Yeah and it?s not just tube sites, I mean I could download every single one of your movies the week they come out on some of the torrent sites.?

Studio Rep: ?What?s a torrent??

Another recent conversation about porn-sharing forums went something like this:

Nate: ?Dude you guys are getting killed on the porn sharing forums too!?

Studio Rep: ?Forums? Like XXXXXXXX??

Nate: ?No, not like XXXXXXXX.?

Well for those of you that don?t know what a torrent site or a porn-sharing forum is?here ya go:

Torrent sites are true peer 2 peer filesharing sites. I?ll give you an example of how torrents work. Let?s use ?Johnny? as our would-be internet pirate. Johnny gets his hands on a DVD of Big Wet Asses 15, and he takes it home and copies it to his computer (this is called ?ripping? in the piracy world).

Johnny re-encodes the video and breaks it up into 2 parts where each part is just the right size to be burned/copied to a blank CD. Then Johnny makes a .torrent file. The .torrent file basically contains information saying ?This is Big Wet Asses 15, it?s from Elegant Angel, it?s got Gianna, and Johnny is the person that ripped it and if you want to download it, here?s the code you need to know.? Though it says all those things in a very computer-technical way, that?s the gist of the file?s contents. Think of it like a big .zip file.

Each .torrent file has what is called a ?info hash? ID, you can think of this like the VIN for your car or your Social Security Number. It?s unique to that one file, and no other file has that same sequence of numbers. Johnny uses a torrent program like Bit Torrent (similar to iTunes) and he makes his copy of Big Wet Asses 15 available to people (this is called ?seeding? in the torrent world). Then Johnny goes to a torrent site and he uploads his .torrent file.

Joe Schmo comes along and goes, hmmmm?let?s see what?s new?oh Big Wet Asses 15?looks good?I want it. He downloads the .torrent file and it says to his bit torrent software: ?here?s the info hash ID for that file, let?s look for other people that have it?hey Johnny has that movie?we?ll start downloading it from him.?

Eventually someone else comes along and wants Big Wet Asses 15 too, so they start downloading it?but now they are getting part of it from Johnny and part of it from Joe Schmo. This increases as more people want the file, and more people offer it. Eventually there?s a bunch of people who have the full movie (called Seeders) and a bunch of people still in the process of getting it (called Leechers). This collection of people is called ?the swarm?, and a healthy swarm has a ratio of more givers than takers. Think of this like checkout stands at the grocery store. If there?s 100 people trying to check out and there?s 1 register open?it?s going to take you a long time. But if there were 200 registers open, you?d breeze right through.

This all might sound kinda technical but it?s actually quite easy. If enough people are seeding a file, you can easily download a full DVD copy in a few hours depending on your internet speed. After you?re done downloading it, you keep sharing it with the people still trying to complete their download. In fact, most sites require users to share in order to stay active. If you don?t share with other people, they cut you off. This keeps new users able to get just about anything they want, just as long as they give back of course.

What?s really tricky for you as a copyright owner is that the torrent site doesn?t actually have Big Wet Asses 15 anywhere on their servers, the movie itself only resides on each individual?s computer, like Johnny and Joe Schmo?s. However, recent cases have been won against torrent sites for aiding in copyright infringement, so most torrent sites now comply with DMCA notices just to cover their butts. So for adult studios there?s no reason for your content to be on many of these torrent sites because many of those sites would have taken it down, if only you had sent a DMCA for it. Many of those sites will then add your company to their list of ?Forbidden Content? meaning that users are instructed NOT to upload anything from your company, and if they do, they risk being banned. What?s even better is that if the site you are sending a DMCA for is a private site (meaning that the .torrents on their site are not uploaded anywhere else), sending a DMCA for it effectively kills that .torrent completely. Everyone that has/wants that file, can no longer get it.

Ok, I explained to you how the torrent sites work, now let?s move on to the forums......

The forums are similar to the forums you?ve no doubt heard of like AdultDVDTalk.com and XXXPorntalk.com, however the porn filesharing forums serve a more nefarious purpose. Their only purpose is the trading of porn between users, for free. These sites get tremendous traffic with some in the top 1000 websites in the WORLD according to Alexa. So what motivates people to go to these sites and give away porn for free?

Money.

These visitors don?t do this out of the goodness of their hearts. No, they are actually making money off of your titles. And I?m not just talking about the site owners, I?m talking about the USERS, or more specifically, the UPLOADERS.

You see, there are websites called ?File Hosting? sites that are solely designed for the storage of files of all types. Got a big document you can?t email, pictures from your vacation, you name it?you can upload it there and give Mom and Dad the links to download the pictures. The problem is that these sites are most often used for the purpose of hosting copyrighted content. And most of these sites actually PAY users for how many downloads they get. Let?s use a hypothetical example:

Let?s say Johnny gets his hands on a DVD of Homegrown Video 700. Johnny takes it home, copies it to his computer and re-encodes it. Now, Johnny goes to a site like Rapidshare.com and uploads his copy of Homegrown Video 700. Johnny now goes to a whole bunch of forums and posts ?Hey guys, you can download Homegrown Video 700 for free at http://www.rapidshare.com/123456/Homegrown Video 700.zip?. For every person that downloads Johnny?s copy of Homegrown Video 700, the site will pay him money, providing he reaches certain thresholds. Most file hosting sites pay users $10 for every 1000 downloads they pull in. There?s other variables like the size of the file, the uploaders previous history, what country the download came from, but the $10 for 1000 formula is pretty average. Instead of money, some other sites give the uploader ?points? that they can use to buy ?Premium Accounts? which they can then resell for profit. With a premium account, you get faster download speeds, no waiting to download, and anything you upload won?t get deleted for inactivity. And with the points program, there?s no 1000 downloads threshold that need be achieved.

Think 1000 downloads is impossible? There are threads on some of these forums with upwards of 100,000 views. On one of the main forums I monitor, there are about 700 new postings every single day, with almost all of them reaching at least 200 views?.that day. And keep in mind, that?s just one site. If Johnny?s smart, he?s going to post his links on all the high-traffic forums.

Now if Johnny can get 1000 downloads from a big forum, plus 1000 downloads combined from the other 4 or 5 forums he also post links in?.Johnny just made $20 off of Homegrown Video 700. And if Homegrown doesn?t send a DMCA notice, Johnny will continue to accumulate downloads over time. Of course Johnny isn?t going to limit himself to just 1 title or 1 studio. If Johnny can do the same thing for 100 titles this week or even for the whole month, well you do the math. Ok, I?ll do the math?it?s $2000. For most of these uploaders the strategy is to get as much stuff uploaded, and let the downloads keep accumulating over time since most studios don?t even know about this problem (since we?re all focused on the tubes).............

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Roald · 07-29-2009, 08:33 AM

don't you have a tripper to stiff?

chodadog · 07-29-2009, 08:35 AM

Because far less people are using torrents to download porn than there are people using the tube sites with unlicensed content. Because torrent sites aren't ranked 1 to 4 for the search term 'porn' in google. Torrents are an issue, but their use is still limited to a more savvy (albeit ever so slightly) internet user. I see people talking about sites like Red Tube who barely know how to send emails.

Agent 488 · 07-29-2009, 08:36 AM

you could have saved 20 bucks downloading a torrent dvd and gave it to a stripper instead.

slapass · 07-29-2009, 08:40 AM

I think you answer it yourself above. Johny might get a 1000 downloads. The tubes get 100k downloads.

PornNewz · 07-29-2009, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass

I think you answer it yourself above. Johny might get a 1000 downloads. The tubes get 100k downloads.

Yes, but there are 1000's of Johnny's....

natkejs · 07-29-2009, 08:53 AM

torrents are for tv shows/music/software/games ... porn is not that big on there, people want porn RIGHT NOW they don't want to wait for a torrent to download before they can spank.

case closed

San · 07-29-2009, 09:02 AM

damn, who the hell is gonna read all that?

here's my short answer: ver very few surfers know how to use torrents

and everyone knows how to use tubes

PornNewz · 07-29-2009, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by San

damn, who the hell is gonna read all that?

here's my short answer: ver very few surfers know how to use torrents

and everyone knows how to use tubes

I agree totally. However, the number of tech savvy people downloading torrents is massive, growing everyday and can't be ignored.

PornNewz · 07-29-2009, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald

don't you have a tripper to stiff?

that thread was great! I got more thread views in 24 hours during a weekend with a bad joke then I would ever get on a business thread during the week. What does that tell you about this boards mindset? Some of the responses were hilarious!

Wizzo · 07-29-2009, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by San

damn, who the hell is gonna read all that?

here's my short answer: ver very few surfers know how to use torrents

and everyone knows how to use tubes

Also, I'll add when the average surfer types "free porn movies" in google it gives them a big fat list of tubesites, not torrent...

slapass · 07-29-2009, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Also, I'll add when the average surfer types "free porn movies" in google it gives them a big fat list of tubesites, not torrent...

But google adds the torrent option ot every porn search now.

PornNewz · 07-29-2009, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Also, I'll add when the average surfer types "free porn movies" in google it gives them a big fat list of tubesites, not torrent...

yes, but those same porn surfers that have specific porn/pornstar/studios/dvd titles in mind and type it into google, you'll get torrents on Page 1.

Scott McD · 07-29-2009, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chodadog

Because far less people are using torrents to download porn than there are people using the tube sites with unlicensed content. Because torrent sites aren't ranked 1 to 4 for the search term 'porn' in google. Torrents are an issue, but their use is still limited to a more savvy (albeit ever so slightly) internet user. I see people talking about sites like Red Tube who barely know how to send emails.

Did i play against you at fifa the other night on PS3 ??

It was someone with your same username anyway.

PastorSinAlot · 07-29-2009, 09:19 AM

thanks for the info.

BestXXXPorn · 07-29-2009, 09:27 AM

Tubes are controlled, created sites by people competing in the industry...

Torrents are P2P, you have no control over them and bitching is completely useless...

chodadog · 07-29-2009, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Did i play against you at fifa the other night on PS3 ??

It was someone with your same username anyway.

Nah, wasn't me. Damn imposters. ;)

I can't imagine you and I could ever play. How would we decide who gets to be Celtic?

tony286 · 07-29-2009, 10:43 AM

There are four types of people that watch porn online:
those who will pay
those who will never pay
those who are under 18
those who are sitting on the fence.

Torrents, forums the casual surfer which is most of our audience doesnt know about them or doesn't have the time to go searching.
The tubes give it to them instantly with no evidence on their computer. Now what tubes with full scenes does is kill the guy sitting on the fence now he goes from sitting on the fence to this is all free and teaches the under 18 crowd that paying for porn is dumb.

96ukssob · 07-29-2009, 10:54 AM

tubes are an "legal" version for the surfer, versus fearing downloading materials and going to jail for downloading porn

Jack Sparrow · 07-29-2009, 11:04 AM

My wish to santa this year:

People using the words "illegal tube".

woj · 07-29-2009, 11:12 AM

It's way too much drama/risk/etc to use torrents, not too mention that at least some technical expertise is required to do it... tube don't have any of these problems...

CYF · 07-29-2009, 04:59 PM

tubes are much more user friendly than a torrent.

There's also the instant factor of a tube, as opposed to waiting for a torrent to download, not having any seeders, etc.

07-29-2009, 08:21 AM	#1
PornNewz Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 851	Why is everyone only bitching about tubes? Torrents are just as bad or worse.... There?s a lot of adult studios bitching about piracy these days, but if you listen to them, they seem to get locked in on tube sites and completely disregard the other ways digital piracy is killing our bottom lines. To give you an idea, a recent conversation between myself and a very impassioned adult studio representative went something like this: Nate: ?Yeah and it?s not just tube sites, I mean I could download every single one of your movies the week they come out on some of the torrent sites.? Studio Rep: ?What?s a torrent?? Another recent conversation about porn-sharing forums went something like this: Nate: ?Dude you guys are getting killed on the porn sharing forums too!? Studio Rep: ?Forums? Like XXXXXXXX?? Nate: ?No, not like XXXXXXXX.? Well for those of you that don?t know what a torrent site or a porn-sharing forum is?here ya go: Torrent sites are true peer 2 peer filesharing sites. I?ll give you an example of how torrents work. Let?s use ?Johnny? as our would-be internet pirate. Johnny gets his hands on a DVD of Big Wet Asses 15, and he takes it home and copies it to his computer (this is called ?ripping? in the piracy world). Johnny re-encodes the video and breaks it up into 2 parts where each part is just the right size to be burned/copied to a blank CD. Then Johnny makes a .torrent file. The .torrent file basically contains information saying ?This is Big Wet Asses 15, it?s from Elegant Angel, it?s got Gianna, and Johnny is the person that ripped it and if you want to download it, here?s the code you need to know.? Though it says all those things in a very computer-technical way, that?s the gist of the file?s contents. Think of it like a big .zip file. Each .torrent file has what is called a ?info hash? ID, you can think of this like the VIN for your car or your Social Security Number. It?s unique to that one file, and no other file has that same sequence of numbers. Johnny uses a torrent program like Bit Torrent (similar to iTunes) and he makes his copy of Big Wet Asses 15 available to people (this is called ?seeding? in the torrent world). Then Johnny goes to a torrent site and he uploads his .torrent file. Joe Schmo comes along and goes, hmmmm?let?s see what?s new?oh Big Wet Asses 15?looks good?I want it. He downloads the .torrent file and it says to his bit torrent software: ?here?s the info hash ID for that file, let?s look for other people that have it?hey Johnny has that movie?we?ll start downloading it from him.? Eventually someone else comes along and wants Big Wet Asses 15 too, so they start downloading it?but now they are getting part of it from Johnny and part of it from Joe Schmo. This increases as more people want the file, and more people offer it. Eventually there?s a bunch of people who have the full movie (called Seeders) and a bunch of people still in the process of getting it (called Leechers). This collection of people is called ?the swarm?, and a healthy swarm has a ratio of more givers than takers. Think of this like checkout stands at the grocery store. If there?s 100 people trying to check out and there?s 1 register open?it?s going to take you a long time. But if there were 200 registers open, you?d breeze right through. This all might sound kinda technical but it?s actually quite easy. If enough people are seeding a file, you can easily download a full DVD copy in a few hours depending on your internet speed. After you?re done downloading it, you keep sharing it with the people still trying to complete their download. In fact, most sites require users to share in order to stay active. If you don?t share with other people, they cut you off. This keeps new users able to get just about anything they want, just as long as they give back of course. What?s really tricky for you as a copyright owner is that the torrent site doesn?t actually have Big Wet Asses 15 anywhere on their servers, the movie itself only resides on each individual?s computer, like Johnny and Joe Schmo?s. However, recent cases have been won against torrent sites for aiding in copyright infringement, so most torrent sites now comply with DMCA notices just to cover their butts. So for adult studios there?s no reason for your content to be on many of these torrent sites because many of those sites would have taken it down, if only you had sent a DMCA for it. Many of those sites will then add your company to their list of ?Forbidden Content? meaning that users are instructed NOT to upload anything from your company, and if they do, they risk being banned. What?s even better is that if the site you are sending a DMCA for is a private site (meaning that the .torrents on their site are not uploaded anywhere else), sending a DMCA for it effectively kills that .torrent completely. Everyone that has/wants that file, can no longer get it. Ok, I explained to you how the torrent sites work, now let?s move on to the forums...... The forums are similar to the forums you?ve no doubt heard of like AdultDVDTalk.com and XXXPorntalk.com, however the porn filesharing forums serve a more nefarious purpose. Their only purpose is the trading of porn between users, for free. These sites get tremendous traffic with some in the top 1000 websites in the WORLD according to Alexa. So what motivates people to go to these sites and give away porn for free? Money. These visitors don?t do this out of the goodness of their hearts. No, they are actually making money off of your titles. And I?m not just talking about the site owners, I?m talking about the USERS, or more specifically, the UPLOADERS. You see, there are websites called ?File Hosting? sites that are solely designed for the storage of files of all types. Got a big document you can?t email, pictures from your vacation, you name it?you can upload it there and give Mom and Dad the links to download the pictures. The problem is that these sites are most often used for the purpose of hosting copyrighted content. And most of these sites actually PAY users for how many downloads they get. Let?s use a hypothetical example: Let?s say Johnny gets his hands on a DVD of Homegrown Video 700. Johnny takes it home, copies it to his computer and re-encodes it. Now, Johnny goes to a site like Rapidshare.com and uploads his copy of Homegrown Video 700. Johnny now goes to a whole bunch of forums and posts ?Hey guys, you can download Homegrown Video 700 for free at http://www.rapidshare.com/123456/Homegrown Video 700.zip?. For every person that downloads Johnny?s copy of Homegrown Video 700, the site will pay him money, providing he reaches certain thresholds. Most file hosting sites pay users $10 for every 1000 downloads they pull in. There?s other variables like the size of the file, the uploaders previous history, what country the download came from, but the $10 for 1000 formula is pretty average. Instead of money, some other sites give the uploader ?points? that they can use to buy ?Premium Accounts? which they can then resell for profit. With a premium account, you get faster download speeds, no waiting to download, and anything you upload won?t get deleted for inactivity. And with the points program, there?s no 1000 downloads threshold that need be achieved. Think 1000 downloads is impossible? There are threads on some of these forums with upwards of 100,000 views. On one of the main forums I monitor, there are about 700 new postings every single day, with almost all of them reaching at least 200 views?.that day. And keep in mind, that?s just one site. If Johnny?s smart, he?s going to post his links on all the high-traffic forums. Now if Johnny can get 1000 downloads from a big forum, plus 1000 downloads combined from the other 4 or 5 forums he also post links in?.Johnny just made $20 off of Homegrown Video 700. And if Homegrown doesn?t send a DMCA notice, Johnny will continue to accumulate downloads over time. Of course Johnny isn?t going to limit himself to just 1 title or 1 studio. If Johnny can do the same thing for 100 titles this week or even for the whole month, well you do the math. Ok, I?ll do the math?it?s $2000. For most of these uploaders the strategy is to get as much stuff uploaded, and let the downloads keep accumulating over time since most studios don?t even know about this problem (since we?re all focused on the tubes)............. Rest Of Article Here __________________ Pornnewz.com PR Round up, No one is safe!

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chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Because far less people are using torrents to download porn than there are people using the tube sites with unlicensed content. Because torrent sites aren't ranked 1 to 4 for the search term 'porn' in google. Torrents are an issue, but their use is still limited to a more savvy (albeit ever so slightly) internet user. I see people talking about sites like Red Tube who barely know how to send emails. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

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slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	I think you answer it yourself above. Johny might get a 1000 downloads. The tubes get 100k downloads.

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	There are four types of people that watch porn online: those who will pay those who will never pay those who are under 18 those who are sitting on the fence. Torrents, forums the casual surfer which is most of our audience doesnt know about them or doesn't have the time to go searching. The tubes give it to them instantly with no evidence on their computer. Now what tubes with full scenes does is kill the guy sitting on the fence now he goes from sitting on the fence to this is all free and teaches the under 18 crowd that paying for porn is dumb.

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