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  • Shap
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    • May 2001
    • 8313

    #1

    An important tip to being successful in our industry in 2009

    Every week that passes there are more threads complaining about how shitty things are in our industry. I thought I'd share a small piece of advice that has really helped our business in the past year. The best way I could say it is: Leave as Little Money as Possible on The Table!!! That means optimize and monetize your sites.

    Running any type of site involves a lot of work. I've been doing this for 10 years now and I can honestly say there has never been a moment in those 10 years where I've felt like I had nothing to do to my sites. There is always something (and usually A SHITLOAD of somethings) to do.

    In the past if you ran a site (paysite, tgp, whatever) and were not truly optimizing it you could survive and in most cases do very well. In the past year I've heard more and more people complain about how poorly they are doing and how badly their bottom line is being hit. When I visit their sites I see that a lot of those people are leaving a lot of money on the table. The beauty of optimizing your sites is in most cases it involves some initial work and then the money starts flowing in without much additional work required (obviously managing and optimizing further helps you make even more).

    So do yourself a favor. Take a step back. Review every aspect of your site(s) and see where you are leaving money on the table. Now is the time to put in the work and get that money. In most cases it usually adds 100% to the bottom line so it increases your profitability.

    It's worked very well for us so I'm sure it can help a few of you as well
  • Rankings
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    #2
    well said
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    • WiredGuy
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      #3
      Very well said.
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        • MediaGuy
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          #5
          Truly very well said.

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          • martinsc
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            • Jun 2005
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            #6
            Make Money

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            • BradM
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              • Dec 2003
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              #7

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              • XX_RydeR
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                • Jun 2004
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                #8
                Words of wisdom.
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                • Iron Fist
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                  • Dec 2006
                  • 23400

                  #9
                  I like where your going with this... but since i'm posting on GFY instead of optimizing my sites, well I guess i'm leaving money on the table right now! No wait.. i'm a sigwhore... so i'm getting paid either way! How about that!! WHOOHOO!
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                  • AudreyG
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                    • May 2008
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                    #10
                    True. It should always be a work in progress.
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                    • CaptainHowdy
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                      • Dec 2004
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                      #11
                      Amen to that...

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                      • notime
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                        • Jun 2003
                        • 8027

                        #12
                        Correct.

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                        Good read for the readers in this thread.
                        Last edited by notime; 07-15-2009, 08:58 AM.

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                        • fuzebox
                          making it rain
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 22352

                          #13
                          Minimizing your expenses is another good one (takeoff from your other thread )

                          Now is a good time to renegotiate your hosting plan, feeds, see what expenses you have that aren't making you money or worth the amount your paying... trim the fat.

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                          • LeRoy
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                            • Jul 2007
                            • 13364

                            #14
                            Good advice Shap. Now I gotta go back to work
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                            • Machete_
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                              #15
                              Or if everything else fails, buy bannerspot on the illegal tubes, and put money in their pockets for providing surfer with free copies of other companies content - Right Shap?

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                              • Barefootsies
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                                #16
                                Good advise.

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                                • ElConquistador
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by KrisH
                                  Or if everything else fails, buy bannerspot on the illegal tubes, and put money in their pockets for providing surfer with free copies of other companies content - Right Shap?
                                  I think that's what they call... "OWNED"

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                                  • wargames
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                                    • May 2003
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                                    #18
                                    Shap you are always on the money
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                                    • wargames
                                      Kliris
                                      • May 2003
                                      • 10423

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by fuzebox
                                      Minimizing your expenses is another good one (takeoff from your other thread )

                                      Now is a good time to renegotiate your hosting plan, feeds, see what expenses you have that aren't making you money or worth the amount your paying... trim the fat.
                                      Another good point we trimmed the fat about 6 months ago. Best thing we ever did
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                                      • Chicks Delivery
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                                        #20
                                        Nice tip, mate! Thanks for that!
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                                        • closer
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                                          • Sep 2005
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                                          #21
                                          Stating the obvious is sometimes needed as people tend to get lazy when cash is flowing in

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                                          • CIVMatt
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                                            • Aug 2004
                                            • 13075

                                            #22
                                            Good shit, time to step back
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                                            • dyna mo
                                              just a fucking jerk
                                              • Dec 2008
                                              • 68184

                                              #23
                                              thanks shap!

                                              could you elaborate on some of the things you did in the last year to NOT leave moneys on the table?

                                              thx

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                                              • femdomdestiny
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                                                • Apr 2007
                                                • 5185

                                                #24
                                                true

                                                You are in right, just yesterday I've clicked randomly on my sites to see some sites that I've completely forgot that they even exist, and guess what? They are down, god only knows for how long.And this is simplest thing, checking outgoing links.

                                                So there is also a question for processors, why they don't notify affiliates when some website is down?
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                                                • Unlimited
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                                                  • Nov 2005
                                                  • 1301

                                                  #25
                                                  good tip!
                                                  i have this problem

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                                                  • NoWhErE
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Sep 2005
                                                    • 10583

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Shap
                                                    Every week that passes there are more threads complaining about how shitty things are in our industry. I thought I'd share a small piece of advice that has really helped our business in the past year. The best way I could say it is: Leave as Little Money as Possible on The Table!!! That means optimize and monetize your sites.

                                                    Running any type of site involves a lot of work. I've been doing this for 10 years now and I can honestly say there has never been a moment in those 10 years where I've felt like I had nothing to do to my sites. There is always something (and usually A SHITLOAD of somethings) to do.

                                                    In the past if you ran a site (paysite, tgp, whatever) and were not truly optimizing it you could survive and in most cases do very well. In the past year I've heard more and more people complain about how poorly they are doing and how badly their bottom line is being hit. When I visit their sites I see that a lot of those people are leaving a lot of money on the table. The beauty of optimizing your sites is in most cases it involves some initial work and then the money starts flowing in without much additional work required (obviously managing and optimizing further helps you make even more).

                                                    So do yourself a favor. Take a step back. Review every aspect of your site(s) and see where you are leaving money on the table. Now is the time to put in the work and get that money. In most cases it usually adds 100% to the bottom line so it increases your profitability.

                                                    It's worked very well for us so I'm sure it can help a few of you as well

                                                    Hey Shap, I've heard rumours that you're originally from Sherbrooke. Would you be interested in tutoring a fellow Sherbrookois?
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                                                    • Shap
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                                                      • May 2001
                                                      • 8313

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                      Minimizing your expenses is another good one (takeoff from your other thread )

                                                      Now is a good time to renegotiate your hosting plan, feeds, see what expenses you have that aren't making you money or worth the amount your paying... trim the fat.
                                                      OH HELL YEAH! I was talking to someone this weekend that is going to save $100,000 in hosting this year alone thanks to me giving him a heads up on what he should be paying.

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                                                      • Shap
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                                                        • May 2001
                                                        • 8313

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by KrisH
                                                        Or if everything else fails, buy bannerspot on the illegal tubes, and put money in their pockets for providing surfer with free copies of other companies content - Right Shap?
                                                        I don't know. As far as I know we've never bought banner spots on any tube site. I've never been big on banners

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                                                        • Shap
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                                                          • May 2001
                                                          • 8313

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by closer
                                                          Stating the obvious is sometimes needed as people tend to get lazy when cash is flowing in
                                                          Absolutely. It's such small things too. If you run your stuff alone get a few people you trust and use them as advisers and get their feedback. It's amazing how easy it is to miss something that is blatantly obvious to someone not involved in your site.

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                                                          • Shap
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                                                            • May 2001
                                                            • 8313

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                            Hey Shap, I've heard rumours that you're originally from Sherbrooke. Would you be interested in tutoring a fellow Sherbrookois?
                                                            Yeah. I was born there. Only lived 10 or so months there. My grandparents still live in Magog.

                                                            Hit me up.

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                                                            • fris
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                                                              • Aug 2002
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                                                              #31
                                                              nice tips
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                                                              • born2blog
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                                                                • Sep 2006
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                                                                #32
                                                                great advice for sure!
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                                                                • ilbb
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                                                                  • May 2005
                                                                  • 3025

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I 100% agree with you

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                                                                  • Shap
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                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                    • 8313

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                    thanks shap!

                                                                    could you elaborate on some of the things you did in the last year to NOT leave moneys on the table?

                                                                    thx
                                                                    I wouldn't say any of these were necessarily done in the past year. But here are a few that come to mind (mostly for paysites). Some of these may seem stupid. But with hosting changes, affiliate program changes etc over the years simple things that should work you'll find may not be.

                                                                    Making sure all typo domains are working and pointing to the right place. It wasn't long ago I found a few of our typo domains and the non www.domain.com not working. Stupid shit but easy money left on the table.

                                                                    Make sure you are using all payment options your processing companies allow. Online Checks, Debit, Web900 are all a low % of total sales but it all adds up.

                                                                    Make sure your decline process is set up so they hit a backup processor.

                                                                    Make sure your cancel emails and cancellation process is optimized. There is money to be made there.

                                                                    Emailing your ex members. Regularly emailing your ex-members is an easy way to get them back.

                                                                    Properly managing your exit traffic.

                                                                    Properly managing your mobile traffic

                                                                    Optimize your join forms and join pages. This one isn't an easy or quick fix but it's an important one that adds huge long term $$$ when you hit the sweet spot. If you've only ever tried one join form (processor end) and one join page (your end) then you are missing out. Test test test. What you think works may not be what's best. Ccbill and Epoch provide fantastic stats to help you know what's doing best.

                                                                    Another simple thing is make sure you are being paid by your sponsors. This one is a bitch when you have 200+ accounts. Today more than ever this is very important.

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                                                                    • Phoenix
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                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                      • 35475

                                                                      #35
                                                                      now bring that A game mentality to the golf course and let me borrow it..lol
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                                                                      • dyna mo
                                                                        just a fucking jerk
                                                                        • Dec 2008
                                                                        • 68184

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Shap
                                                                        I wouldn't say any of these were necessarily done in the past year. But here are a few that come to mind (mostly for paysites). Some of these may seem stupid. But with hosting changes, affiliate program changes etc over the years simple things that should work you'll find may not be.

                                                                        Making sure all typo domains are working and pointing to the right place. It wasn't long ago I found a few of our typo domains and the non www.domain.com not working. Stupid shit but easy money left on the table.

                                                                        Make sure you are using all payment options your processing companies allow. Online Checks, Debit, Web900 are all a low % of total sales but it all adds up.

                                                                        Make sure your decline process is set up so they hit a backup processor.

                                                                        Make sure your cancel emails and cancellation process is optimized. There is money to be made there.

                                                                        Emailing your ex members. Regularly emailing your ex-members is an easy way to get them back.

                                                                        Properly managing your exit traffic.

                                                                        Properly managing your mobile traffic

                                                                        Optimize your join forms and join pages. This one isn't an easy or quick fix but it's an important one that adds huge long term $$$ when you hit the sweet spot. If you've only ever tried one join form (processor end) and one join page (your end) then you are missing out. Test test test. What you think works may not be what's best. Ccbill and Epoch provide fantastic stats to help you know what's doing best.

                                                                        Another simple thing is make sure you are being paid by your sponsors. This one is a bitch when you have 200+ accounts. Today more than ever this is very important.
                                                                        thanks for taking the time to answer.

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                                                                        • Machete_
                                                                          WINNING!
                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                          • 14579

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Shap
                                                                          I don't know. As far as I know we've never bought banner spots on any tube site. I've never been big on banners
                                                                          Yeah - I bet the whole Gaytube/redtube/tube8 or whatever it was called dident happen either. Whatever floats your boat.

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                                                                          • Shap
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                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                            • 8313

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Always remember nobody has your back but you. You are running a business and you have to make the business decisions that are best for YOUR business. Listen to your clients but don't worry about anybody else who feels entitled to dictate how you should run your business

                                                                            That said here are some of the more aggressive things paysites owners can do that will add 100% profit to their bottomline.

                                                                            Cross sales. Unchecked or checked. Cross sells aren't a bad thing. They exist everywhere in the world. Buy a plane ticket and see how many you get (insurance, bags, meal, wifi). I'm talking about the type of cross sales that epoch and ccbill allow. They are full disclosure and done properly. We run a member forum that is very active and in the 2 years we've been doing cross sales we have not had a single complaint on our board and we've only had a few complaints by email. There is a huge difference between the nasty cross sales where guys are banging cards and running straight up full disclosure ccbill/epoch cross sales. There are not many webmasters that care as much about the client as I do and I'm telling you guys as someone who values my members that cross sales have not had a negative impact on our business. They've in fact been very positive. You can try them on your internal traffic or type in traffic to start. It's worth a shot.

                                                                            Upsells. This is another thing I held out on forever. Adding upsells to our members area. Live Cams, Dating, Fleshlight, Other paysites. Whatever. We used to always run our members area 100% clean without linking to any other site. What a mistake. We've only added a few banners and done it in a very non-invasive way and the results have been fantastic. It's extra revenue without any disruption in service or retention. Again my number 1 concern is always customer satisfaction and since we've implemented these our customers are still happy.

                                                                            Remember, you are running a business and the goal of a business is to make MONEY!

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                                                                            • Shap
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                              • 8313

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by KrisH
                                                                              Yeah - I bet the whole Gaytube/redtube/tube8 or whatever it was called dident happen either. Whatever floats your boat.
                                                                              I never said it didn't happen. I said I never bought banner spots.

                                                                              Sticking with the theme of the thread (giving advice) here is another piece of advice for you: If you want to start shit and try to attack someone do it right. Don't do it half assed with the wrong information and don't be a pussy about it. If you want to be the dickhead that tries to steer the thread in a negative direction then man up and do it right. If not don't waste anyone's time (including yours) posting here. I appreciate your time but surely you could have done something more valuable to yourself than posting here

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                                                                              • Shap
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                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                • 8313

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                thanks for taking the time to answer.
                                                                                Anytime

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                                                                                • LexiLexxx
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                  • 2510

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  I would also like to add, being around this business for a few yrs and having a top programmer as a husband...take care of the people who take care of YOU! If you have someone or many people (think hosting) that do it real good, don't trim the important thing's, as I was once told by someone, well known in this business, that he was with a company that did him really well, he left at some point (to trim fat)....ONLY to return later, because that kind of service couldn't be provided by the other company/person.

                                                                                  So, while stepping back and reviewing and having other people take a look, don't forget what's important. Pro's and Con's.

                                                                                  In the meantime, I'm still confused about the economy and free tube sites. I guess that's where Karma comes in, it's a hard choice! Money on the table in a good way or a bad way? Do you adapt in a good or bad way?.... Just make sure you get advise from good people/companies and try to make the right choices.

                                                                                  For webmaster's promoting these companies, maybe a top 100 company list should be made and the reasons why you choose to promote them, would/could help the $$$ flow'in in. It's like selling drugs or woking hard the legal way.
                                                                                  Last edited by LexiLexxx; 07-15-2009, 12:22 PM.

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                                                                                  • Shap
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                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                    • 8313

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                                    now bring that A game mentality to the golf course and let me borrow it..lol
                                                                                    LOL

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                                                                                    • stevo
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                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                      • 2051

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                      OH HELL YEAH! I was talking to someone this weekend that is going to save $100,000 in hosting this year alone thanks to me giving him a heads up on what he should be paying.
                                                                                      It's amazing how much bandwidth prices have droped the past few years. Two weeks ago I doubled my bandwidth (mbps) and cut my hosting bill in half.

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                                                                                      • JFK
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                                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                                        • 67373

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by MediaGuy
                                                                                        Truly very well said.

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                                                                                        • dyna mo
                                                                                          just a fucking jerk
                                                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                                                          • 68184

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                          Always remember nobody has your back but you. You are running a business and you have to make the business decisions that are best for YOUR business. Listen to your clients but don't worry about anybody else who feels entitled to dictate how you should run your business

                                                                                          That said here are some of the more aggressive things paysites owners can do that will add 100% profit to their bottomline.

                                                                                          Cross sales. Unchecked or checked. Cross sells aren't a bad thing. They exist everywhere in the world. Buy a plane ticket and see how many you get (insurance, bags, meal, wifi). I'm talking about the type of cross sales that epoch and ccbill allow. They are full disclosure and done properly. We run a member forum that is very active and in the 2 years we've been doing cross sales we have not had a single complaint on our board and we've only had a few complaints by email. There is a huge difference between the nasty cross sales where guys are banging cards and running straight up full disclosure ccbill/epoch cross sales. There are not many webmasters that care as much about the client as I do and I'm telling you guys as someone who values my members that cross sales have not had a negative impact on our business. They've in fact been very positive. You can try them on your internal traffic or type in traffic to start. It's worth a shot.

                                                                                          Upsells. This is another thing I held out on forever. Adding upsells to our members area. Live Cams, Dating, Fleshlight, Other paysites. Whatever. We used to always run our members area 100% clean without linking to any other site. What a mistake. We've only added a few banners and done it in a very non-invasive way and the results have been fantastic. It's extra revenue without any disruption in service or retention. Again my number 1 concern is always customer satisfaction and since we've implemented these our customers are still happy.

                                                                                          Remember, you are running a business and the goal of a business is to make MONEY!
                                                                                          do your cross sales bill to the same merchant as the original sale? or another merchant account?

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                                                                                          • Shap
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                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                            • 8313

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by LexiLexxx
                                                                                            In the meantime, I'm still confused about the economy and free tube sites. I guess that's where Karma comes in, it's a hard choice! Money on the table in a good way or a bad way? Do you adapt in a good or bad way?.... Just make sure you get advise from good people/companies and try to make the right choices.
                                                                                            Good points. This is why I said do what's best for you and your business. Everybody has their own feelings regarding tubes. The one thing everybody will agree to is that they aren't going anywhere. We took a lot of shit for working with certain tube sites. It was a business decision we made. I knew it wouldn't be popular. I'm not running a popularity contest I'm running a business and I felt it was the best decision for us to make for the future of Twistys and TwistysCash. Here we are more than a year later and absolutely nothing has happened to indicate I was wrong. In fact every day that goes by it becomes more apparent that as a company it was the right decision to make.

                                                                                            It's important to get advice from the right people. I'm lucky that I have some really talented and smart people around me that aren't afraid to lay into me. Whether it be regarding a design, a decision or a gfy post. It's important to have people that don't bow down to you but that give you the honest truth.

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                                                                                            • Shap
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                                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                                              • 8313

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                              do your cross sales bill to the same merchant as the original sale? or another merchant account?
                                                                                              We don't do any cross sales on merchant accounts. We are only doing them with our ccbill and epoch accounts.

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                                                                                              • Shap
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                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                • 8313

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by stevo
                                                                                                It's amazing how much bandwidth prices have droped the past few years. Two weeks ago I doubled my bandwidth (mbps) and cut my hosting bill in half.
                                                                                                It's insane. I think if I compare our 2009 bw prices vs our 2006 prices we are paying almost 90% less!

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                                                                                                • Jman
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                                                                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                                                                  • 22838

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                  Yeah. I was born there. Only lived 10 or so months there. My grandparents still live in Magog.

                                                                                                  Hit me up.
                                                                                                  Magog is a hell of a nice place. I use to windsurf a lot on that lake as a teen.

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                                                                                                  • Porko
                                                                                                    SeeMyBucks.com
                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                                    • 4014

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    really well said and btw, your sig is so hot

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