Put together a "business" environment without authorities, ethics, control mechanisms and professionalism (be it common sense, education anything) and it might as well do the best to self destruct itself on a first real technically possible occasion.

sorry, nobody in this industry should ever give Brazzers credit for anything - they are the enemy, you don't appease the enemy, you don't adapt to the enemy, you fight the enemy. unfortunately this industry is made up of scumbags who leech onto anybody who has success, no matter how that success was made.

and about Bang,Nasty and a few others - talk to them, if they were starting right now, all their creativity and marketing skills would be worth shit to them if they had to start out right now.

there is no way you are this stupid

oc choppers has a tv show that they get free with your cable purchase

my name is earl did a story about earl giving back a motercycle he stole from oc choppers guys

the promo was for the show not the selling of the bikes you moron.


one free thing promoted another free thing
product placement is about traffic period
how that converts is the issue of the person buying up the product placement.

if you can convert the traffic into revenue from ad sales you can promote one free thing in another free thing.

Interesting thread, thanks. I've dabbled in a couple tubes, one thing that helps explain the graphs is tube ctr is REALLY bad, but then again we all know that. They found what they're looking for plus were dealing with surfers that prob know as much technically or more than I do.

What I do see converting is a couple unknown but interesting paysites that are not on the tubes. It goes on the tubes and ratios go to hell.

I don't know man, too late now. I've tried every possible way to make money. PPC, broker, new sponsors, traffic directing and wm savvy such as blind links that I CAN get the surfer to click BUT the margins among the guys buying traffic is not enough to make blind linking effective.

I've tried it all man. Couple last things up my sleeve but I have doubts so I procrastinate. :(

how can you even post here when you are jobless and live at home with your parents and have never done anything even remotely successful?

jesus what a dreamer. you'll be 40, still living off your parents, and still dreaming and nattering and giving advice when you've done absolutely nothing in life.

go away - stay in your bedroom and read your business and technology magazines.

personally i would believe that if brazzers, nasty were to start today they would find a way to succeed.
IT just to bad that most people here sound like jack valenti and the MPAA when talking about vcr. At the same time as the porn guys were seeing an explosion in revenue from video cassettes.

models change, even robbie now realizes product placement can work (almost two years after i pointed out the concept of signage and posted the studio 60 clip).

obviously that his oppinion of creativity , ripping off someone elses idea and claiming it his marketing genius.

Here are a few ND videos I found for you, after conducting just 1 quick search for just 1 of their sites. I am certain I can find you tons more, no problem. Unfortunately there is no good reason to pay for porn any longer....

http://www.mushroomtube.com/search/?q=we+live

Get a clue dipshit. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

A few more for the road:
http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...2y&u=al4a.com&

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...y&u=pussy.org&

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...&u=pornno.com&

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...u=playboy.com&

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...=2y&u=sex.com&

Interesting thread so far.

I have a tube site that's on autopilot for over a year. Don't worry, all legal content.

I haven't pushed it anywhere, all SEO traffic. I set it so that whenever you watch over 3 vids, you need to sign up.

I get over 100 signups per day.

See the logic?

I'll see how it goes and perhaps add a payment scheme to it and a dedicated server.

It's just that there are too many tube scripts out there, it's oversaturated. Anyone can do it.

But still I believe there is a market here.

Yeah, ok... lol 100 signups a day.

I'm not reading this entire thread - the topic is a bit stupid.

You are using Alexa to compare two totally different areas of our Industry.

TGP's do not retain visitors like Tubes do based on the Design of the site. They don't have the raw content pages, thus far less raw exposure. This alone will toss Alexa off greatly.

They don't have the social links, the mad amounts of crap forum leaching traffic from Asian networks.. All mixed together this gives the Tube the ability to look like it's far superior..

Look at a Tube and a TGP that you know get about the same amount of Uniques and the tube will appear to rank much higher in Alexa.

100 FREE signups per day, so they are able to continue watching more FREE clips.

Change your free signup amount to a payment scenario, and guess how many signups p/day you will get, from the surfers who are looking for, and expecting, porn for free?

I would think someone of your caliber would not be such a dumbfuck. Color me silly.

If you see no connection what so ever in looking at those graphs. God bless anyone you give advice to. The go off the chart and aup the chart at more or less the SAME fucking date.

Some people should have just been aborted as a fetus instead of sucking up people's oxygen. Nice try at the save tho bro.

wow.... i'm really shocked that people don't gravitate towards the same unchanged crappy link lists, linking to crappy galleries in the year 2009... and they would rather go to a well organized site without blind links, with content previews where they can just see what they want without the headaches.

crazy shit!!

it MUST be because a site is "illegal". what other explanation is there?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Personally I think this thread shines an informative light on this industry, and the part that tube sites play in its demise... but I have been 100% against tube sites since day one, so I must admit, I am very biased.

i buy over 100 sales a day to a PAYSITE from tubes....A DAY people....to a P A Y S I T E....you have to have what the surfer wants.....and sell it to them in a fashion that they buy it......btw...did i say PAYSITE? :pimp

Muhaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

huh? How do you BUY sales to a specific paysite from a tubesite? Clue me in. :) And are those trials? And how are conversions looking? Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying here?

Are you saying you pre-pay a tube site owner for x number of sales (probably just trials)?

Okay, whatever you say bro.

Maybe your paysite is a x-sell for a tube site that has a paid area? Just trying to figure that out, because that's one of the only ways I can figure that.

The graphs are easy to explain. (even for me) :) Today all the surfers are on tube sites.

Graphs are not compared but rather show traffic over one year. The striking thing is that many paysites appear to have 1/5th the traffic of a year back.

Like I said ctr on tubes, even legal ones that are more clicky to sponsors, is very low and since that is where the surfers are paysites arent getting the traffic like they used to.

PPC searches are down too maybe because Joe surfer now search's his fav forum instead of Google for paysite X.

So, build an illegal forum or tube. Oh wait, too late. As the one guy said. There are a shitload of tubes most selling shitty skim to brokers. I guess as long as the brokers can sell the traffic that makes some money.

I know I am TRYING to convert broker traffic becuse I'll be rich if I can make a 25% return for pete's sake. But tube broker traffic... well buy some, see how you do. :)

Same way you buy advertising on a tgp, except instead of listing your gallery with links out, they host and display your movie with your links around it. :2 cents:

heh funny to see the old school TGP guys doing all tubes now.

I'm sure there are still some paysites out there that sell ;)

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...&u=twistys.com

someone who almost gets it......the LAST thing i will ever do is tell this cesspool how i do biz....lol....then i will be a non earning bitching webmaster like most of the dopes on here

Theres a pearl ...

i would appreciate it if you would elaborate on this.

no need to worry about the cess pool seeing your comments, this is a biz thread.

thx in advance.

:thumbsup

Hater:

We're growing;

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...eladyboys.com&

you ruin my day

here's my opinion on tubes.

tubes themselves - they are from a surfer's perspective, great. one server, loads faster, all works. better than a paysite.

those that steal content SHOULD be sued.

so the question is, what do you sell?

When it comes to caliber, I have two nuns carry my cock.

http://thedocblog.com/images/posts/sshot-sample4.gif

When you look at old out dated sites that don't hosted content, that don't do anything new forever, that think the same old is the new. Then you aren't looking at fair stats.

Add Freeones in the mix and the rules change. The change today is very little, the two bigger tubes have grown slowly over Freeones now. But the example remains..

Tubes aren't as big as Alexa makes them look AND making a kick as quality porn site - giving surfers quality porn on demand.. is what they want.

Not a bunch of crap filled, crap content, that out links to crap sites, that make you download crap 2 minute videos.. that do have virus/toolbar install crap. Pics/vids of the same crap, day after day... when that isn't what the surfer wants. It's what was forced on them.

bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. Keep on talking.

LOL...i have no reason to bullshit the BIG RAGOOOOOOOO

not that you care anyway.....i am sure you do very well without my help

Conversions will never be the same.
I guess we can all agree on that.

Tubes are to blame. I think we can all agree on that.

Now if ya own a tube and ya got some traffic great.
Just that tubes ruined conversions.

Just like to sum shit up so I can get on to more important things.

There is a shitload of traffic for sale now days. I kind of like that. :) In older days getting traffic from the TGB barons was a pain in the ass. Getting traffic from the tube barons is a piece of cake.

Now converting it. LOL Good luck. But at least there IS a shakeup, some knew ops and I like it. I never did like creating fucking galleries. :)

But is IS conversions that is the overlying problem tubes created. Sure traffic is king and if ya have it you will do fine. But bad conversions is still underlying and prob not going to get better.

I understand what you are saying but you are talking about freeones. freeones has some of the best SE results in the business. Is freeoneoes making money? I am sure they are. Like they were in the beginning of '08? Whatever you say hoss

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...=freeones.com&

If they have more traffic today than in 05 or the start of 08... Damn straight they are making more money. You can't use Alexa to see if they dropped in traffic.

Are they making more money, per visitor? Maybe not, but very few business/industries on the Internet can say that they keep growth going every year, forever.. Even the mighty Google can't say that.

Where the fuck did you pull freeones from in the first place? Is your head that far up your ass that you change the subject into what you want it to be and actually believe it? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

And why can't I use Alexa? It's the same across the board more or less. The ups and downs will affect everyone. Can you honestly say you see no trend in anything I posted? You are more retarded than I pegged you to be.

Looking at compete http://siteanalytics.compete.com/freeones.com/
You can see Dec 08 was the biggest peak they have, 2 years after tubes.... of course we can't see that far back. But if we look at my graph we can back even more, we can see that Dec 08 is the biggest peak they have.. again, 2 years after tubes.

So just because they peak, and drop some.. right now they aren't really in a "down" period, but average on the high side.. and for sure well over the average.

Freeones.. is still growing... actually it appears 09 would be the best year they have ever had so far.

I recently talked to a well know GFY member, who advertised his new "shocking" reality type of site on pornhub and he had some interesting stats - he did something like a 20SUs in a one hour, but at the end he lost money anyway - as the costs of advertisment were higher then earned money.

freeones is free

Because you think looking at a site like TheHun is fair to compare with something like YouPorn.

They are totally different sites, setups, styles, marketing, traffic bounce rates, raw views, every single factor is different.

If you want to see how "bad ass" tubes hurt our business.. take a look at Freeones.

Point... You can compete with Tubes. The idea that it's a Tube, stolen content, or full length movies.. isn't why the tube steals the traffic away... proof of that is, Freeones.

I'd like to know what tubesite out there can post a link around a movie and make 100 sales a day. It that were true, then I guess all the big sites that have told me face to face how sales are down 40% + wouldn't be saying those things. We'd all just buy prepaid spots on a tube and make 100 sales a day. I'm still betting that is x-sales of some sort.

I think its pretty clear what is happening. He posted enough examples of each so that any Alexa anomalies wouldn't matter. Your Alexa argument holds no weight.

I know for a fact, some tubes... can produce 100+ signups to a single sponsor in a day, from a single link.

Every time, every video, every day.. probably not... but 100+ sales a day from a site like youporn, fo damn sure!

I honestly have no more energy left in me to argue the facts and frakly I'm done with your shenanigans. Freeones is proof that SEO will still drive some traffic to a site. Nobody ever argued that point. Mkay?

I'm off to read thedocblog.com so I can learn how to make money in this business.

So Freeones is the size of Youporn.. the biggest porn site on the Internet. And they do it ALL off of search engine traffic? And youporn doesn't? Or wait.. one gets traffic that big, some other way.. and the other doesn't?


Are you sniffing paint?

You are using ONE EXAMPLE. I am using several... fuck I could use HUNDREDS.

Get off my nuts, I told you I am done arguing with you. It is apparent you have not a clue you know what the fuck you are talking about. Show us these 100 signups from one link. No aff links or anything, fuck blur the whole thing out for all I fucking care... either post PROOF or get back in the kitchen with the other women gabbing about shit they do not know anything about.

Done with you.

I've never seen any site make that kind of sales. I've seen a thing or two in my time. And I've seen some big sales numbers. But 100 sales (even $1 trials) a day from a link on a video?

I'm skeptical of that BIG time. Your talking about a human being pulling out his credit card. I guess all the marketing in the world just came down to giving 'em a video and putting up a link?

I don't know man. In this day and age getting people to buy a membership to a paysite is pretty tough. I don't offer trial memberships (because I will definitely guarantee you that if any site is sending a paysite 100 sales a day it is NOT full sales), but I will offer trial memberships if I could get 100 sales a day off of a tube site.

You know I own a tube site that comes in at number one on many days for a VERY good keyword. And I'm always in the top five. And I make maybe a sale a week off of that! Conversion ratios are great....because nobody clicks the links to the paysites. lol

I do believe that a monster site like youporn could maybe make the kind of sales that I did on Ampland in 2003. MAYBE. But 100 a day for a link by a vid? I find that real hard to believe. My experience has never shown that to happen.

But I'm definitely up to be educated.

I just can't understand though why all the guys I talk to that own programs with paysites say that sales are a disaster. I guess they didn't get the memo about the 100 sales a day for a link on one of their vids.

Actually, I can show proof of this over and over.. Using Alexa to see if sites are falling, have fallen, or compete with Tubes is WRONG... It's that simple - that was my point, you can try to twist it if you like.

I have posted my stats many times over, and the referring urls, from a trickle of sales to well up over 100 a day. GFY has a search function.. get busy.


Get back to reading my blog...

Toss up a single video.. on a tube, and getting a 100 sales? well, I assume that isn't possible - I could be wrong. To do 100... I would guess you need 200ish videos, coming out in a nice steady cycle, like 6 videos a day.. hellish work for 100 sales.

Having a premium link on a tube, producing 100 sales a day... for damn sure... Sustain that, probably not.. 50+ a day, without question. After several months, never changing... 20 day steady.