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woj · 06-11-2009, 06:59 AM

50 year old domain...

Pleasurepays · 06-11-2009, 07:09 AM

Look guys... the whole "age of the domain" thing is something that started in 2005 I believe (whenever the Florida Update was that really started getting networks banned en masse) - Google started using a new set of metrics to identify spam networks and ban domains. People quickly realized that older domains were not getting banned and started buying every crappy nonsensical domain in every auction online for 50-100-200-1000.00 as long as it was not newly registered.

This also was of course a very short lived advantage FOR SPAMMERS that LASTED VERY BRIEFLY as Google again got on top of this.

This is the origin of the "age of domain" discussion in this context. We are talking about pure age of the domain vs age of the website.

Think about this rationally (without getting into the mechanics of search engines)... Google is providing the most relevant results for a given search query. The age of the domain, does nothing to make a result more relevant. Claiming it somehow does, simply exposes ones naivete of Google and other search engines and how they function.

What is being suggested here is that if i throw up a shitty site on a domain registered yesterday or a domain registered 10 years ago, they will be treated differently as if one is somehow better quality content, more relevant content and is exactly what the searcher is looking for using this single metric as the deciding factor... that's just not how it works.

You don't need to be an SEO genius to understand this. you don't need to be an SEO genius to understand that a 10 year old domain that's been parked and a 1 day old domain, both going live on the same day do not provide better or worse results based on their age.

Saying a domain is worth X,XXX based on how old it is and never having indexed content is retarded. applying a scale over a period of years to suggest it increases in value over time based on its age is equally retarded.

Saying a domain will automatically start showing in SERP's for various search queries based on its AGE alone (ignoring all other factors that contribute to googles crawling, prioritizing pages, indexing pages and handling search queries) is equally retarded. ANY domain can be indexed in minutes... but where it ranks for various search queries depends on all the usual factors, regardless of age.

look at it another way... if age offered a substantial advantage in search engines, we would be buying and selling domains based on age.... but we don't ... do we? Every domain forum would be full of people wanting to buy domains that are XX years old. Every auction would be quick to let you know a domain is XX years old... every spammer on the planet would be running around offering to buy any domain that was XX years old.

... and although this sometimes does actually happen by the occasional naive webmaster, this is not a standard consideration to buying domains or domain valuation for a reason. if it offered an advantage, it would be.

Age of the domain might play some minor role IF it has indexed content for that period of time.

These discussions are the product of myths and 1/2 truth's that often become fact, no matter how irrational or easy to verify they are, as they continue to be echoed across blogs and forums by people who parrot SEO info that they read on some shitty blog the night before.

TheDoc · 06-11-2009, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

That was just example domain but again i am sure there are many that style domains including one word domains which are not in top 100 for domain keyword.

That is all about what Google thinks the domain is about and then, the competition you have in the listings.

My blog, thedocblog for example. Competes very hard on the word Doc (killing me in the listings) and sites like SU beat me on thedocblog.. even though that's my domain. I have the value, I have some age, I have backlinks.. but google thinks someone else is thedocblog more than me

Domain age or name, is about "helping you"... it doesn't mean you will rank for the words or above someone else. But both factors can greatly help.

Nicky · 06-11-2009, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I noticed domain like teenporn.com is not even on top 100 for keyword with same name.Taking a good domain is just one of steps of many to get good serps.

Yep but I wassn't talking SERPS, more in the lines of type-in's.

Zuzana Designs · 06-11-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Look guys... the whole "age of the domain" thing is something that started in 2005 I believe (whenever the Florida Update was that really started getting networks banned en masse) - Google started using a new set of metrics to identify spam networks and ban domains. People quickly realized that older domains were not getting banned and started buying every crappy nonsensical domain in every auction online for 50-100-200-1000.00 as long as it was not newly registered.

This also was of course a very short lived advantage FOR SPAMMERS that LASTED VERY BRIEFLY as Google again got on top of this.

This is the origin of the "age of domain" discussion in this context. We are talking about pure age of the domain vs age of the website.

Think about this rationally (without getting into the mechanics of search engines)... Google is providing the most relevant results for a given search query. The age of the domain, does nothing to make a result more relevant. Claiming it somehow does, simply exposes ones naivete of Google and other search engines and how they function.

What is being suggested here is that if i throw up a shitty site on a domain registered yesterday or a domain registered 10 years ago, they will be treated differently as if one is somehow better quality content, more relevant content and is exactly what the searcher is looking for using this single metric as the deciding factor... that's just not how it works.

You don't need to be an SEO genius to understand this. you don't need to be an SEO genius to understand that a 10 year old domain that's been parked and a 1 day old domain, both going live on the same day do not provide better or worse results based on their age.

Saying a domain is worth X,XXX based on how old it is and never having indexed content is retarded. applying a scale over a period of years to suggest it increases in value over time based on its age is equally retarded.

Saying a domain will automatically start showing in SERP's for various search queries based on its AGE alone (ignoring all other factors that contribute to googles crawling, prioritizing pages, indexing pages and handling search queries) is equally retarded. ANY domain can be indexed in minutes... but where it ranks for various search queries depends on all the usual factors, regardless of age.

look at it another way... if age offered a substantial advantage in search engines, we would be buying and selling domains based on age.... but we don't ... do we? Every domain forum would be full of people wanting to buy domains that are XX years old. Every auction would be quick to let you know a domain is XX years old... every spammer on the planet would be running around offering to buy any domain that was XX years old.

... and although this sometimes does actually happen by the occasional naive webmaster, this is not a standard consideration to buying domains or domain valuation for a reason. if it offered an advantage, it would be.

Age of the domain might play some minor role IF it has indexed content for that period of time.

These discussions are the product of myths and 1/2 truth's that often become fact, no matter how irrational or easy to verify they are, as they continue to be echoed across blogs and forums by people who parrot SEO info that they read on some shitty blog the night before.

Thanks for the information

Nicky · 06-11-2009, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Once it hits about 10 years, the value of the domain changes into the years of it's age. So roughly $1k for every year, on a half decent domain.

You are kidding right? And what is a "half decent" domain?

TheDoc · 06-11-2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Look guys... the whole "age of the domain" thing is something that started in 2005 I believe (whenever the Florida Update was that really started getting networks banned en masse) - Google started using a new set of metrics to identify spam networks and ban domains. People quickly realized that older domains were not getting banned and started buying every crappy nonsensical domain in every auction online for 50-100-200-1000.00 as long as it was not newly registered.

This also was of course a very short lived advantage FOR SPAMMERS that LASTED VERY BRIEFLY as Google again got on top of this.

This is the origin of the "age of domain" discussion in this context. We are talking about pure age of the domain vs age of the website.

Think about this rationally (without getting into the mechanics of search engines)... Google is providing the most relevant results for a given search query. The age of the domain, does nothing to make a result more relevant. Claiming it somehow does, simply exposes ones naivete of Google and other search engines and how they function.

What is being suggested here is that if i throw up a shitty site on a domain registered yesterday or a domain registered 10 years ago, they will be treated differently as if one is somehow better quality content, more relevant content and is exactly what the searcher is looking for using this single metric as the deciding factor... that's just not how it works.

You don't need to be an SEO genius to understand this. you don't need to be an SEO genius to understand that a 10 year old domain that's been parked and a 1 day old domain, both going live on the same day do not provide better or worse results based on their age.

Saying a domain is worth X,XXX based on how old it is and never having indexed content is retarded. applying a scale over a period of years to suggest it increases in value over time based on its age is equally retarded.

Saying a domain will automatically start showing in SERP's for various search queries based on its AGE alone (ignoring all other factors that contribute to googles crawling, prioritizing pages, indexing pages and handling search queries) is equally retarded. ANY domain can be indexed in minutes... but where it ranks for various search queries depends on all the usual factors, regardless of age.

look at it another way... if age offered a substantial advantage in search engines, we would be buying and selling domains based on age.... but we don't ... do we? Every domain forum would be full of people wanting to buy domains that are XX years old. Every auction would be quick to let you know a domain is XX years old... every spammer on the planet would be running around offering to buy any domain that was XX years old.

... and although this sometimes does actually happen by the occasional naive webmaster, this is not a standard consideration to buying domains or domain valuation for a reason. if it offered an advantage, it would be.

Age of the domain might play some minor role IF it has indexed content for that period of time.

These discussions are the product of myths and 1/2 truth's that often become fact, no matter how irrational or easy to verify they are, as they continue to be echoed across blogs and forums by people who parrot SEO info that they read on some shitty blog the night before.

I can PROVE, that I can get faster, bigger, and better listings on a aged domain (never online) vs. a newly regged domain... 100's of times over, while making mistakes on purpose..

It's actually VERY simple to understand... you are buying past the sandbox of a new regged domain. Add on top of that, Google knows they don't have everything listed... just because they just found something, doesn't mean it's new...

SEO webmasters love aged domains.. even more so aged and online, doing nothing. This is I say at least put a white label up.. may not do a lot but it helps at least target the domains meaning..

TheDoc · 06-11-2009, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

You are kidding right? And what is a "half decent" domain?

Whatever you think is half decent.. to me it's two simple words, one niched...

And no, I'm not kidding.. .. and I know you can buy aged domains cheap.. but that doesn't mean the person selling them had a clue.

Someone above said something about $250 bucks.. that doesn't cover the reg fees on a 10 year domain. But people sell them for under the amount they regged them for. Not my fault they are stupid..

Webmaster Army · 06-11-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Walter Gropius

A domain's age is one of many different factors in domain valuation but, in terms of SEO, it's a big factor - Google bums old domains.

Google knows when you sell your domain to a new owner.

TheDoc · 06-11-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Saying a domain will automatically start showing in SERP's for various search queries based on its AGE alone (ignoring all other factors that contribute to googles crawling, prioritizing pages, indexing pages and handling search queries) is equally retarded. ANY domain can be indexed in minutes... but where it ranks for various search queries depends on all the usual factors, regardless of age.

If you would like to ICQ me... (I have to take K into the office first) I will ICQ you a new domain we put up roughly 15 days ago (it was up but had .htaccess on it).. It's not even that aged, regged in 06. It has NO backlinks..

It's not going to blow your mind... but it will prove to you I'm not bullshitting..

I have better examples, but they have bl's now.. but I have the stats either way.

Webmaster Army · 06-11-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Anyway he wants 350$ for domain.Need to think about it.Age or not it's still nice domain.

Sounds like a good deal if it's a 2 keyword domain and the keywords aren't "handicapped" and "sex". Might even be a good deal then.

Pleasurepays · 06-11-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's actually VERY simple to understand... you are buying past the sandbox of a new regged domain. Add on top of that, Google knows they don't have everything listed... just because they just found something, doesn't mean it's new...

the "sandbox" idea is not something automatically applied to a new domain. its a filter to affect new domains, with suspicious linking patterns targeting VERY specific and competitive sets of keyword phrases which are most often the target of spammers.

ANYONE can register a new domain, put content on it, link to it, set up the internal linking correctly, get it indexed and start ranking for various phrases in minutes or hours.

all you have described to me is the possible idea that you put up an "aged domain" that went after VERY weak phrases with little to no competition... where inbound links, PR and all the usual factors play a lessor role since there are no other relevant results to show.

you absolutely cannot show me a site that you put up to go after a phrase that gets say 1000 searches a day where you are ranking higher in Google than well established sites, with backlinks and PR that are targeting that phrase with a "domain", no history of a website on that domain, that has no backlinks and make the argument that is true simply because of the "age of the domain".

you are essentially saying that you can walk right around something like PageRank which is the very core of the search engine to determine importance of pages and on which all subsequent factors are based on to determine query results. That's a very odd claim to make ;)

AND you seem to be confused about "backlinks" and are not taking into account the sites own internal linking structure as a factor. PR is about pages linking to pages... not domains linking to domains or solely external sites linking to your site. If you removed all inbound links to wikipedia, they would still have an absurd PR value and traffic because of their internal linking structure and the fact that they are closing in on 1/2 a BILLION pages - each starting with an initial PR value of 1 and passing that on to other pages and the index page.

l0lf4c3 · 06-11-2009, 08:15 AM

huhh somewhat i agree what pleasurepays wrote, but on the other hand it is still in one of those 200+ factors google decides the ranking about. the factors are usually the same, google plays around the importance multipliers every now and then in order to avoid seo - these are my 2 cents

Klen · 06-11-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by l0lf4c3

huhh somewhat i agree what pleasurepays wrote, but on the other hand it is still in one of those 200+ factors google decides the ranking about. the factors are usually the same, google plays around the importance multipliers every now and then in order to avoid seo - these are my 2 cents

Actually there is 1500+ known google factors

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 06-11-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

11 year old domain, assuming not online is worth about 8k..

TheDoc · 06-11-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

the "sandbox" idea is not something automatically applied to a new domain. its a filter to affect new domains, with suspicious linking patterns targeting VERY specific and competitive sets of keyword phrases which are most often the target of spammers.

Every new domain has a sandbox... A sandbox doesn't mean no listings, it means it's restricted at some point.. could be minor could be huge.. and it's for sure bigger the newer the domain is.

It's why you get long tails... even if you have backlinks, even if google knows what your page is about.

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

ANYONE can register a new domain, put content on it, link to it, set up the internal linking correctly, get it indexed and start ranking for various phrases in minutes or hours.

You said one thing... link to it.. I'm not linking to the aged domains to produce the results.

Have at it, go reg a domain, put the pages up, and don't link to them... Let me know how that goes on your new domain..

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

all you have described to me is the possible idea that you put up an "aged domain" that went after VERY weak phrases with little to no competition... where inbound links, PR and all the usual factors play a lessor role since there are no other relevant results to show.

Not, not VERY weak, it's "EXACTLY TARGETED".... The aged domain isn't going to pick up the amount of trash long tails your newly regged domain will. Your new domain sandbox, will never let you get the listings I have.. but you won't have problems getting a long tail phrase.

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you absolutely cannot show me a site that you put up to go after a phrase that gets say 1000 searches a day where you are ranking higher in Google than well established sites, with backlinks and PR that are targeting that phrase with a "domain", no history of a website on that domain, that has no backlinks and make the argument that is true simply because of the "age of the domain".

hehe, two things.. I never said anything about search volume, I did say phrases that actually send traffic, daily.. And I do out rank them.. with no history of the domain.

And it's not "simply" because of age.. again, I didn't say it was only age, and have stated many examples already the use other factors to help.. A huge example would be phrases that aren't fought over by a bunch of aged listings.

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you are essentially saying that you can walk right around something like PageRank which is the very core of the search engine to determine importance of pages and on which all subsequent factors are based on to determine query results. That's a very odd claim to make ;)

At the scale of a new site vs lower lvl pr sites... yeah... totally... all day every day.. with new sites, with old sites, with anything..

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

AND you seem to be confused about "backlinks" and are not taking into account the sites own internal linking structure as a factor. PR is about pages linking to pages... not domains linking to domains or solely external sites linking to your site. If you removed all inbound links to wikipedia, they would still have an absurd PR value and traffic because of their internal linking structure and the fact that they are closing in on 1/2 a BILLION pages - each starting with an initial PR value of 1 and passing that on to other pages and the index page.

Actually, several posts up I said the Internal linking structure has to be correct... Which is also why I said several pages.. cause 1 page, isn't going to cut it.

I call page rank "trust".. Think of it that way, and you will see it has almost no value and yet shows you why you can beat people in rankings. Pr0 is the lowest trust, it means they see you.. at pr1 they trust that others see you. At pr5, the trust for lower levels peaks.. and at pr6 it's absolute trust. So 5 and below.. is "lower trust" and 6 above, is "upper trust".. You can compete on your scale, but not in the other.

It's why you don't see pr6 and above sites all over long tail phrases.

And that's why a pr1 can out rank a pr5..

TheDoc · 06-11-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Right

Still looking for a job?

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 06-12-2009, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Every new domain has a sandbox.

JamesK · 06-12-2009, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

It being 11 years old is good for seo, but only if its been indexed in those years.

If it was regged in 1998 and sat still til today, and was never indexed, it might as well be brand new. (in that facet anyways).

Thanks, I had no idea about this

bns666 · 06-12-2009, 11:23 AM

did you buy the domain and which domain is it?

d-null · 06-12-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Webmaster Army

Google knows when you sell your domain to a new owner.

so what?

who owns a site has nothing to do with what is on a site

you think that when Discover.com was sold for millions that google decided to penalize the domain because they changed owners?

Jdoughs · 06-12-2009, 02:49 PM

Wow there is alot of misinformation here.

Thedoc, I've got DOZENS and DOZENS of 10-12 yr old domains sitting waiting.

How many would you like at 8-10k each, I'll even let you cherry pick the dmoz/yahoo, high backlinks ones.

TheDoc · 06-12-2009, 03:18 PM

I have came to the conclusion that 99% of the people on GFY make crap for money and sales.. webmasters with no clue trying to inform the successful what the rules are.

It's simple enough... you can build an aged domain and earn that within 1.5 years, thus making it's value that. If you can't build a domain to that...

Well... why most of you people are pathetic and beg for jobs from me when you don't know it's me posting... and you expect me to take what you say here ... hahaha.. please..

polish_aristocrat · 06-12-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Well... why most of you people are pathetic and beg for jobs from me when you don't know it's me posting... and you expect me to take what you say here ... hahaha.. please..

how many nicks do you have?

TheDoc · 06-12-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

how many nicks do you have?

Just two.. but the other isn't used to argue or crap like that... I had a bad run in buying links and posting for jobs and others getting mad I don't respond back to emails they think is a resume.

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Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	Look guys... the whole "age of the domain" thing is something that started in 2005 I believe (whenever the Florida Update was that really started getting networks banned en masse) - Google started using a new set of metrics to identify spam networks and ban domains. People quickly realized that older domains were not getting banned and started buying every crappy nonsensical domain in every auction online for 50-100-200-1000.00 as long as it was not newly registered. This also was of course a very short lived advantage FOR SPAMMERS that LASTED VERY BRIEFLY as Google again got on top of this. This is the origin of the "age of domain" discussion in this context. We are talking about pure age of the domain vs age of the website. Think about this rationally (without getting into the mechanics of search engines)... Google is providing the most relevant results for a given search query. The age of the domain, does nothing to make a result more relevant. Claiming it somehow does, simply exposes ones naivete of Google and other search engines and how they function. What is being suggested here is that if i throw up a shitty site on a domain registered yesterday or a domain registered 10 years ago, they will be treated differently as if one is somehow better quality content, more relevant content and is exactly what the searcher is looking for using this single metric as the deciding factor... that's just not how it works. You don't need to be an SEO genius to understand this. you don't need to be an SEO genius to understand that a 10 year old domain that's been parked and a 1 day old domain, both going live on the same day do not provide better or worse results based on their age. Saying a domain is worth X,XXX based on how old it is and never having indexed content is retarded. applying a scale over a period of years to suggest it increases in value over time based on its age is equally retarded. Saying a domain will automatically start showing in SERP's for various search queries based on its AGE alone (ignoring all other factors that contribute to googles crawling, prioritizing pages, indexing pages and handling search queries) is equally retarded. ANY domain can be indexed in minutes... but where it ranks for various search queries depends on all the usual factors, regardless of age. look at it another way... if age offered a substantial advantage in search engines, we would be buying and selling domains based on age.... but we don't ... do we? Every domain forum would be full of people wanting to buy domains that are XX years old. Every auction would be quick to let you know a domain is XX years old... every spammer on the planet would be running around offering to buy any domain that was XX years old. ... and although this sometimes does actually happen by the occasional naive webmaster, this is not a standard consideration to buying domains or domain valuation for a reason. if it offered an advantage, it would be. Age of the domain might play some minor role IF it has indexed content for that period of time. These discussions are the product of myths and 1/2 truth's that often become fact, no matter how irrational or easy to verify they are, as they continue to be echoed across blogs and forums by people who parrot SEO info that they read on some shitty blog the night before.

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l0lf4c3 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 574	huhh somewhat i agree what pleasurepays wrote, but on the other hand it is still in one of those 200+ factors google decides the ranking about. the factors are usually the same, google plays around the importance multipliers every now and then in order to avoid seo - these are my 2 cents