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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
the "sandbox" idea is not something automatically applied to a new domain. its a filter to affect new domains, with suspicious linking patterns targeting VERY specific and competitive sets of keyword phrases which are most often the target of spammers.
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Every new domain has a sandbox... A sandbox doesn't mean no listings, it means it's restricted at some point.. could be minor could be huge.. and it's for sure bigger the newer the domain is.
It's why you get long tails... even if you have backlinks, even if google knows what your page is about.
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
ANYONE can register a new domain, put content on it, link to it, set up the internal linking correctly, get it indexed and start ranking for various phrases in minutes or hours.
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You said one thing... link to it.. I'm not linking to the aged domains to produce the results.
Have at it, go reg a domain, put the pages up, and don't link to them... Let me know how that goes on your new domain..
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
all you have described to me is the possible idea that you put up an "aged domain" that went after VERY weak phrases with little to no competition... where inbound links, PR and all the usual factors play a lessor role since there are no other relevant results to show.
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Not, not VERY weak, it's "EXACTLY TARGETED".... The aged domain isn't going to pick up the amount of trash long tails your newly regged domain will. Your new domain sandbox, will never let you get the listings I have.. but you won't have problems getting a long tail phrase.
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
you absolutely cannot show me a site that you put up to go after a phrase that gets say 1000 searches a day where you are ranking higher in Google than well established sites, with backlinks and PR that are targeting that phrase with a "domain", no history of a website on that domain, that has no backlinks and make the argument that is true simply because of the "age of the domain".
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hehe, two things.. I never said anything about search volume, I did say phrases that actually send traffic, daily.. And I do out rank them.. with no history of the domain.
And it's not "simply" because of age.. again, I didn't say it was only age, and have stated many examples already the use other factors to help.. A huge example would be phrases that aren't fought over by a bunch of aged listings.
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
you are essentially saying that you can walk right around something like PageRank which is the very core of the search engine to determine importance of pages and on which all subsequent factors are based on to determine query results. That's a very odd claim to make ;)
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At the scale of a new site vs lower lvl pr sites... yeah... totally... all day every day.. with new sites, with old sites, with anything..
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
AND you seem to be confused about "backlinks" and are not taking into account the sites own internal linking structure as a factor. PR is about pages linking to pages... not domains linking to domains or solely external sites linking to your site. If you removed all inbound links to wikipedia, they would still have an absurd PR value and traffic because of their internal linking structure and the fact that they are closing in on 1/2 a BILLION pages - each starting with an initial PR value of 1 and passing that on to other pages and the index page.
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Actually, several posts up I said the Internal linking structure has to be correct... Which is also why I said several pages.. cause 1 page, isn't going to cut it.
I call page rank "trust".. Think of it that way, and you will see it has almost no value and yet shows you why you can beat people in rankings. Pr0 is the lowest trust, it means they see you.. at pr1 they trust that others see you. At pr5, the trust for lower levels peaks.. and at pr6 it's absolute trust. So 5 and below.. is "lower trust" and 6 above, is "upper trust".. You can compete on your scale, but not in the other.
It's why you don't see pr6 and above sites all over long tail phrases.
And that's why a pr1 can out rank a pr5..