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Old 05-31-2009, 05:34 PM   #101
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Old 06-01-2009, 12:35 AM   #102
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i like how everyone with their head in the sand just refutes scientific evidence...because popular mechanics....a controlled media outlet says otherwise..lol
popular mechanics is a controlled media outlet... now thats a conspiracy theory ive never heard of yet. So phoenix please elaborate for us how popular mechanics IS a controlled media outlet.

While at it, please explain how history channel is a controlled media outlet as well.
They also did a great job of debunking 911 conspiracy nutcases such as yourself
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popular mechanics is a controlled media outlet... now thats a conspiracy theory ive never heard of yet. So phoenix please elaborate for us how popular mechanics IS a controlled media outlet.

While at it, please explain how history channel is a controlled media outlet as well.
They also did a great job of debunking 911 conspiracy nutcases such as yourself
lol, you have a lot to learn. And if you truly do want to learn about your question, which I doubt you do, you should start with the Hearst Corporation. If you want to get deeper into how media is controlled learn the history of the Council on Foreign Relations and check out which companies are currently "corporate members."
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popular mechanics is a controlled media outlet... now thats a conspiracy theory ive never heard of yet. So phoenix please elaborate for us how popular mechanics IS a controlled media outlet.

While at it, please explain how history channel is a controlled media outlet as well.
They also did a great job of debunking 911 conspiracy nutcases such as yourself
This is some good reading on popular mechanics attemted debunking of the controlled demolition theory http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
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I have been saying it for years. Nobody here will listen.
You're also saying reptiles in human skin control the earth. And you wonder why nobody listens to you????
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Old 06-01-2009, 01:44 AM   #108
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Excellent post.

Not to mention it's impossible to organize an effort like this.

Assume you had enough people, with enough money and time, to actually rig the towers with demo. Let's say it could be done.

Now, how do you get all of the people involved to stay quiet?

How do you get everyone else involved to stay quiet, look the other way, etc?

Building security guards, private security guards from many different companies, employees of many different companies and government agencies, building maintenance people, and so on and so on.

All of the people would have to look the other way, so to speak, to allow the conspirators to rig these buildings.

Now, after the "controlled demolition". You have security videos from numerous sources. You have police and FBI and many other security groups that would be examining these videos. How do you get all of them to shut up?

Also, consider this; after all the engineering work that it would take to design a controlled demo of this size, in two seperate buildings (3 with WTC7), and after getting hundreds if not thousands of people to coordinate their efforts (or at least their involvement and secrecy), over the MONTHS it would take to execute such a plan, and after bringing in TONS of explosives, cables, detonators, wireless networking, timers, etc, and having some way to time the detonation with the impacts of the jets, the operation worked exactly as planned. No foulups, no mistakes, no leaks of information, nothing. Everything was perfectly timed and executed, the hundreds of people involved all stayed quiet, no one made any errors.

We all know the US government could NEVER pull off an operation like this.

And I'm not talking about vague theories. An effort of this magnitude would leave HUGE amounts of hard evidence.

And I'm not talking about "nano thermite" bullshit. "Nano Thermite" reacts chaotically. It does not cut smooth, straight lines. Thermite can be used to cut steel (and is, quite regularly). However, it requires considerable equipment to do so. Large canisters, lots of cables, etc, that "control the burn". "Nano thermite" does not cut steel - it melts it.

No "nano thermite" was found in the residue. Sulfer and aluminum oxide was found, and the conspiracy nuts made the huge leap of logic to say it's "nano thermite".
You were ignored. They simple ignore logical stuff like this. Because even a child would understand that it would be impossible because of several reasons like you just mentioned so these nutcases simply ignore it.
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You're also saying reptiles in human skin control the earth. And you wonder why nobody listens to you????
How would you know if "Reptilians" control Earth or not? I doubt they do, but how would some fucking coke-head like you know the real truth about something like that? I just find it funny how average idiots like you claim to understand everything about our planet and our universe. Maybe some ancient Reptilian race really does control our planet, and they do such a good job at it that it is extremely difficult to prove that they even exist at all. I really doubt it, but I wouldn't claim that it's impossible like your omnipotent all-knowing-ass. lol. Some people just know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING though, right? You must be one of those people. I better add some orange laughing faces to the end of this so I can be a pompous ignorant know-it-all like the rest of the geniuses around here...
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Because if it collapsed because of the major damage it wouldve done what exactly? Fall up? Implode? Tell me exactly how else the building wouldve come down.
Look to the Oklahoma Bombing for an example.
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How would you know if "Reptilians" control Earth or not? I doubt they do, but how would some fucking coke-head like you know the real truth about something like that? I just find it funny how average idiots like you claim to understand everything about our planet and our universe. Maybe some ancient Reptilian race really does control our planet, and they do such a good job at it that it is extremely difficult to prove that they even exist at all. I really doubt it, but I wouldn't claim that it's impossible like your omnipotent all-knowing-ass. lol. Some people just know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING though, right? You must be one of those people. I better add some orange laughing faces to the end of this so I can be a pompous ignorant know-it-all like the rest of the geniuses around here...
This post was a sarcastic joke right? Please tell me it was...if not then...wow.
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The task of rigging just one tower alone is 6 times larger than the biggest recorded controlled demolition, which took months to rig in an ABANDONED building. Do you hear me? ABANDONED BUILDING WITH UNFETTERED ACCESS. An army of enginers running around the place with tons of equipment and miles of wiring.
those fuckers must be inept because as we have seen all you need to do is toss some jet fuel in a building and it collapses like a card house. Didn't take any engineers or tons of equipment or even access , just 3 guys, some jet fuel and a flame.
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those fuckers must be inept because as we have seen all you need to do is toss some jet fuel in a building and it collapses like a card house. Didn't take any engineers or tons of equipment or even access , just 3 guys, some jet fuel and a flame.
I've been wondering why some fire department or mythbusters hasn't yet done experiments with burning jet fuel and steel.

All I mean is, surely we can show that with no fire retardant in place and with pure exposed steel, we can concentrate a jet fuel fire and get some measurements..

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Why would this guy go on TV and lie about something like this? He's not selling anything. He will get nothing but grief over this I'm sure. What's his angle?
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ROFLROFL yea it's the FOOLS who believe the official story, and it's the GENIUSES who believe the conspiracy theory. Absolutely hilarious logic.
Funny enough it was EXACTLY like that in Germany in 1933 when Hitler burned down the Government building and blamed the communists..

Then the WHOLE country with a few exceptions believed this story - the rest, the "insane conspiracy idiots" who said Hitler did it then turned out to be right..

But ofcourse that was 1933.. we're talking 2001 here - all the evil the world is gone a long time ago

So, is it really possible that 99.99% of the population is the fools here?

Tell a lie big enough and people will believe it...
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Why are you even arguing with these idiots anymore? Let Kandah and Martin and all the other looney tunes believe whatever they want. It's pointless to try and teach the stupid.

When people bring this shit up around me in person I just call them stupid and send them away.
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you might as well try to convince a moonie on the corner that sun myung moon isn't the son of god.
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Well if you watch the video, the guy isn't stating anything as a theory. He is saying "hey how come people are finding thermite in the wtc dust?" and he's asking for an investigation. Not saying what he thinks happen, but saying what would have needed to have happened and that hey, why not just ask these people for records of who came and went and why. etc. 668 people really, not just 1 loon.

btw: the womans body language is funny if you watch the video. She seems like she's trying out for a movie with her overdramatic poses, lol.
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Why are you even arguing with these idiots anymore? Let Kandah and Martin and all the other looney tunes believe whatever they want. It's pointless to try and teach the stupid.

When people bring this shit up around me in person I just call them stupid and send them away.
You and your butt buddy frank can call me every name in the book. I don't give a fuck. I just think there should be another investigation. Still to many questions left unanswered. If you don't like these threads then stay out them. Pretty simple stuff.
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Here ya guys go straight from the horse's mouth:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
See, people who use this as "evidence" are just among the slowest people on Earth.

As if somehow one word "pull" being used by someone as all the proof that's needed and you can completely ignore all of the obvius common sense that goes the other way.

I mean, in order for this to be proof of anything at all you need to first assume a whole bunch of things. At very least you would have to assume:

1) There is a massive goverment conspiracy.
2) The New York Fire Department, a group of regular working joes that took heavy, heavy losses on 9/11 are in some capacity in on it.
3) The New York Fire Department does demolitions of buildings
4) Silverstein speaks like a demolition Engineer even though he clearly is not one.
5) Silverstein commands the NYFD and they just bring down buildings at his every whim.
6) WTC7 was somehow wired for demolition with nobody noticing a single thing.

Doesn't that seem like a crazy number of logically flawed assumptions to support a single word as being "evidence"? How can you be surprised people call you lunatics and morons given the crazy things you consider as "evidence".
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Dude, what he's ASKING is how come we found thermite?
It's not used in construction. It's not used in jets or jet fuel, so why aren't we wondering how it got there?

Perhaps we need to erect a building and fill it with desks and shit and light a large amount of jet fuel in it and let it burn. This should not be hard to put to bed once and for all. See if it forms molten iron with thermite in it.
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You and your butt buddy frank can call me every name in the book. I don't give a fuck. I just think there should be another investigation. Still to many questions left unanswered. If you don't like these threads then stay out them. Pretty simple stuff.
Sure, another investigation would be great. I'm absolutely certain there's things we don't know about that day. I also doubt parts of the official story and I wonder if maybe the US goverment wasn't involved or at least inclined to let it all happen. That's fine, it's okay to question that and it's logical.

What's not logical is to hold up little bits of sparatic evidence and claim that it's absolute proof of a controlled demolition, holographic planes, cruise missle in to the Penetagon, or yada, yada, yada. The only way to jump to those conclusions based on the spotty "evidence" is to completely ignore the bulk of the available evidence. That is to say, that although we can't know everything, what we do know overwhelmingly debunks much of the crazy conspiracy theories.

Put it this way. If you were to take the very best conspiracy argument and present that in a neutral court against the official story, well, the official story would come out on top every time. That's because the bulk of the evidence supports it. The bulk of the evidence does NOT support controlled demolition or any other such nonsense.

I know you won't understand that because you feel like there's some purpose in your life being able to sleuth out the truth on You Tube.
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If they had said "Building 7 became unstable so we pulled it"... I'd have zero questions about it.
But their official explanation is that it just fell on it's own.... looking exactly like a controlled demolition.

That leaves me with questions.
"pulling" a building takes hours and hours, if not days to set up.
and NO demolition crew in their right mind would have gone into
that building to set the shit up right then.

only way it COULD have been "pulled" was if they'd set shit up WAY in advance.
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Put it this way. If you were to take the very best conspiracy argument and present that in a neutral court against the official story, well, the official story would come out on top every time. That's because the bulk of the evidence supports it. The bulk of the evidence does NOT support controlled demolition or any other such nonsense.
How could that be? There hasn't been any investigations into the fact they found pools of melted steel that was still burning weeks after 9-11. There hasn't been any investigations into the eye witness accounts of secondary explosions in the basement of the building. There hasn't been any investigations into the fact they are now coming out with new evidence showing thermite in the dust etc etc.

On another note you've never heard me claim anything about fake planes, reptiles or anything of the sort.

Anyway moving on.
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I agree too that nothing yet tells me "omg it was planned!". Not even close honestly. I mean shit, those planes full of people were plowed into those buildings.. thats not really fake-able.

But some stuff sure is weird. Fire departments all over the planet have places where they do burns to train. It would seem totally do able to burn some jet fuel on some steel and monitor it until it melts.. or whatever.
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Follow the money.. 9-11 was an inside Zionist Jew job. Their companies make millions from insurance on the buildings, then US sends their Christian Soldiers off to war with the Arabs and surround Iran, Israel go into West Bank and wipe out tons of Palestinians.
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those fuckers must be inept because as we have seen all you need to do is toss some jet fuel in a building and it collapses like a card house. Didn't take any engineers or tons of equipment or even access , just 3 guys, some jet fuel and a flame.
Yeah, lets forget about the huge fucking plane that flew into it.

Small details like that arent important.
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I've been wondering why some fire department or mythbusters hasn't yet done experiments with burning jet fuel and steel.

All I mean is, surely we can show that with no fire retardant in place and with pure exposed steel, we can concentrate a jet fuel fire and get some measurements..

Because i don't think they can recreate the huge fucking plane part.

Funny how everyone forgets about the planes and cries about fuel only.

Fucking morons.
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Because i don't think they can recreate the huge fucking plane part.

Funny how everyone forgets about the planes and cries about fuel only.

Fucking morons.
obviously, someone can recreate two massive, totally unique in their construction, some of the biggest in the world, sky scrapers and simulate flying two fully loaded commercial airliners into them, doing massive structural damage and then let then burn for an hour to see what happens.

take off your blinders. don't be sheep.
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Why would this guy go on TV and lie about something like this? He's not selling anything. He will get nothing but grief over this I'm sure. What's his angle?
A. 15 minutes of fame
B. Book deal
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D. Guest spot on Tonight Show
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F. None of the above, he's just a good samaritan/martyr type who's willing to step up and take one for team conspiracy.



I'd like to know too. Those are all the choices I can think of.
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Does anyone have that link to a wiki topic or other for: Conspiracy theories that later turned out to be true?
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This post was a sarcastic joke right? Please tell me it was...if not then...wow.
You're obviously too stupid to even understand what I was saying. I personally have never seen evidence that would lead me to believe that Reptiles control our planet, but I am also not as stupid as you to act like it's IMPOSSIBLE. Anything is possible, and I really doubt some idiot like you on a porn biz forum would know the ultimate truth about things such as aliens meddling in the affairs of other planets.

And back on topic, I have never seen enough evidence to lead me to believe that 9/11 was an "inside job," although there are a lot of strange coincidences, but at the same time I don't sit here and act like I know exactly what happened that day based on what the government and media told me. The main point is a lot of you guys on here act like know-it-alls when you really don't know shit about shit. There's no way you could, you're regular people like everyone else on here. All of your "knowledge" is based on the assumption that the government and media would never purposefully deceive you, which is a problem most Americans have today unfortunately.
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Because i don't think they can recreate the huge fucking plane part.

Funny how everyone forgets about the planes and cries about fuel only.

Fucking morons.
there are some funny recreations using paper mache to prove the thermite thing. can't be arsed to find them though.
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Because i don't think they can recreate the huge fucking plane part.

Funny how everyone forgets about the planes and cries about fuel only.

Fucking morons.
Well, Doy.

Recreate all the conditions that we think were present is what I'm saying. Scale it down since otherwise you'll need to use a test sled and slam a fuselage into a structure. Which you could do of course, but one would think that if the idea is that a super fuckign hot and persistent fire melted unprotected steel, then just sit there with a fuckwad of fuel on a freaking steel plate and you can get valid readings.

But I'm an advocate of doing a full scale remote crash, sure thing. Hopefully you'll at least allow for it to be without thousands of people? Or is that going to invalidate the testing for ya? Sheesh. I'm the one standing on the middle ground here, it's the people with closed minds on both sides that are the fucking morons. Just for the record.
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Funny enough it was EXACTLY like that in Germany in 1933 when Hitler burned down the Government building and blamed the communists..

Then the WHOLE country with a few exceptions believed this story - the rest, the "insane conspiracy idiots" who said Hitler did it then turned out to be right..

But ofcourse that was 1933.. we're talking 2001 here - all the evil the world is gone a long time ago

So, is it really possible that 99.99% of the population is the fools here?

Tell a lie big enough and people will believe it...
Hitler didn't burn down the Reichstag. A Dutch anarchist by the name of Van der Lubbe did and he did it all on his own. Hitler simply exploited the situation for his own political advantage.

Kind of like... well, kind of like Bush in '01.
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Hitler didn't burn down the Reichstag. A Dutch anarchist by the name of Van der Lubbe did and he did it all on his own. Hitler simply exploited the situation for his own political advantage.

Kind of like... well, kind of like Bush in '01.
The Big Lie is a propaganda technique. It was defined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf as a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".
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Hitler didn't burn down the Reichstag. A Dutch anarchist by the name of Van der Lubbe did and he did it all on his own. Hitler simply exploited the situation for his own political advantage.

Kind of like... well, kind of like Bush in '01.
As in many cases he was just the fall guy.

After World War II, moves by Marinus van der Lubbe's brother, Jan van der Lubbe were made in an attempt to overturn the verdict against his brother. In 1980, after lengthy complaints, a West German court overturned the verdict, but this was protested by the state prosecutor. The case was re-examined by Federal Court of Justice of Germany for three years, until in 1983 the court made a final decision over the matter, overturning the result of the earlier 1980 trial on grounds that there was no basis for it, making it therefore illegal. However, in January 2008, the Federal Court of Justice of Germany finally overturned the death penalty verdict based on a 1998 German law that makes it possible to overturn certain cases of Nazi injustice.[2] The determination of the court was based on the premise that the National Socialist regime was by definition unjust, and since the death sentence in this case was politically motivated, it was likely to have contained an extension of that injustice; the finding was independent of the factual question of whether or not it was van der Lubbe who actually set the fire."

"Historians disagree as to whether Van der Lubbe was the sole culprit of the fire, despite Nuremberg testimony and other circumstantial evidence suggesting that he did not act alone. Some historians (especially Bahar and Kugel) believe that he was an unconscious pawn of the Gestapo, who recruited him for the event, though controversy about this exists too."

"Marinus van der Lubbe was officially pardoned by the German state in January 2008, 75 years after his conviction and beheading. In 1967 a Berlin court had symbolically changed the sentence of van der Lubbe to an eight-year prison and in 1980 the same court had lifted the sentence altogether. In 1981 a West German court overturned the conviction of van der Lubbe on the grounds that he was insane, however campaigners pressed for full state pardon on account of van der Lubbe having been convicted by a Nazi court. The full state pardon of van der Lubbe was made possible by a law passed in Germany in 1998. This exoneration is symbolic and will not lead to compensation for van der Lubbe's heirs."


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See, people who use this as "evidence" are just among the slowest people on Earth.

As if somehow one word "pull" being used by someone as all the proof that's needed and you can completely ignore all of the obvius common sense that goes the other way.
Didn't say it's all I need but some of us have the ability to reason and form our own conclusions. I don't need to know the mechanics behind gravity to know that when I drop my pen it will fall to the floor. There are things in the universe that just make sense and things that don't.

WTC7 was not made mention of in the 9-11 commission. If all events on that day which had any relation to the attacks were to be included in the report, and the report is the official version, then you sir - being so objective - would have to then conclude that WTC7 was excluded from the report because it was not destroyed as a result of the attacks. There's no wiggle room here either. If it was destroyed as a result of the terrorist attacks of 9-11 then it would HAVE to be in the report. Here it is in case you missed it:
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I mean, in order for this to be proof of anything at all you need to first assume a whole bunch of things. At very least you would have to assume:

1) There is a massive goverment conspiracy.
Why is that? Care to explain?

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2) The New York Fire Department, a group of regular working joes that took heavy, heavy losses on 9/11 are in some capacity in on it.
Would have been nice for these people's sacrifice to have been included in the heroes section of the report. It's not though, apparently no biggy for you.

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3) The New York Fire Department does demolitions of buildings
4) Silverstein speaks like a demolition Engineer even though he clearly is not one.
5) Silverstein commands the NYFD and they just bring down buildings at his every whim.
6) WTC7 was somehow wired for demolition with nobody noticing a single thing.
The Manhattan project employed a few thousand people spanning several cities and involved the construction of the largest building ever constructed to date and IT was kept secret. According to you that couldn't be possible though.

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Doesn't that seem like a crazy number of logically flawed assumptions to support a single word as being "evidence"? How can you be surprised people call you lunatics and morons given the crazy things you consider as "evidence".
A hypothesis is formed by seeing relationships between variables. At times these relationships are later found to be spurious hence this beginning stage being a "hypotheis". The progression of this to a theory involves a methodology for testing the hypothesis being drawn up and then putting through exhaustive exhaustive scrutiny.

I don't what you mean when you use the word "evidence", maybe you've watched too many police dramas or something? What I saw was a building dropping like a sack of bricks that was concluded to not have been brought down by an act of terrorism in a supposedly extensive report coupled with an admission by the lease holder that he recommended that the building be "pulled".
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Yeah, lets forget about the huge fucking plane that flew into it.

Small details like that arent important.
not forgetting about that part at all, the most the planes could have done is sever a few of the main structural supports in a couple floors, so bam a few columns , some jet fuel and a couple arabs , and voila the perfect textbook demo on the biggest building ever demo'd at a much lower cost and time than what bronco explained would be needed
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