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vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:02 AM

cuz I own the design used at paysitedesign.com.... bought it yesterday.

so nomatter how you put it we need to talk cuz only one of us will be using the design.

I expect a msg from you today.

To your success,

Best Wishes - "Vegasdude"
Email: [email protected]
ICQ : 128575758

funkmaster · 11-26-2002, 06:10 AM

no offence mate, but when two parties are fighting each other it´s always smart to keep his own ass out of it ...

boneprone · 11-26-2002, 06:10 AM

What did you buy?

A design?

I hear all this talk about copyright's and stuff.

Well as of this morning you may have paid amp for the design, but it has been registered under copyright laws by my copyright attorney this morning.

All this talk about copyright's and shit, i really doubt any of you ever legally registered anything. In fact im willing to bet none of you even have attorney's or can afford one.

If you can and do, please send me a copy of the LEGAL Copyright showing a date previous to this morning.

Becasue as far as I know, I now LEGALLY own the design dispite who created it, owned it or bought it.

Bow to the Power.

.:Frog:. · 11-26-2002, 06:12 AM

Hooterdog · 11-26-2002, 06:13 AM

nice

boneprone · 11-26-2002, 06:13 AM

Do any of you know how copyright laws really work?

Do any of you really take the time to register this legal document?

Id like to see it.

Ill show you mine if you show me yours.

Hope you didnt fork over too much cash Vegas.

I have nothing against you bro, its just I like Drama and what a better way than to spend some cash on my part and throw this wild card into the fire.

DarkJedi · 11-26-2002, 06:14 AM

[Nelson voice] HA HA !

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:15 AM

bone your so funny... the artist get automatic copyright..heh

and funk I took a chance and I bought it...... call me evil but im not to give HM any slack or beeing a pussy... either he pays me equal amount that I gave or let me use it...

the design is to be used on studiovegas.com when amp gets the changes made...

Vegas

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:19 AM

and anyone who knows me KNOW that I hate being put on wait.... HM will have a chance to get it back if he really wants but the door is only open for so long...

hehe and BP i like the drama myself thats why if me and hungry does not settle I will guarantee that only my design will be up.

boneprone · 11-26-2002, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vegasdude
bone your so funny... the artist get automatic copyright..heh

and funk I took a chance and I bought it...... call me evil but im not to give HM any slack or beeing a pussy... either he pays me equal amount that I gave or let me use it...

the design is to be used on studiovegas.com when amp gets the changes made...

Vegas

Automatic Copyright huh? Ill have to look that one up.

Also were any legal contracts ever signed on any deals here?

You may think you are selling HM a product, but in reality HM needs to pay me for these rights now.

You are officially a nobody.

Jakke PNG · 11-26-2002, 06:22 AM

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone

Automatic Copyright huh?

Also were any legal contracts ever signed on any deals here?

You may think you are selling HM a product, but in reality HM needs to pay me for these rights now.

You are officially a nobody.

naa bone you told me that as long as I pay you protection money I don't need to fork over anymore $$$$$ you backing out of that deal bro??

bhutocracy · 11-26-2002, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vegasdude
cuz I own the design used at paysitedesign.com.... bought it yesterday.

so nomatter how you put it we need to talk cuz only one of us will be using the design.

I expect a msg from you today.

To your success,

Best Wishes - "Vegasdude"
Email: [email protected]
ICQ : 128575758

I don't really think you'd win a case on this.

boneprone · 11-26-2002, 06:24 AM

this is serious man!
I actually paid some cash and had this all copyright filed.

I shit you not!!

I love drama!

How much were you selling your "automatic" rights to this for?

Just so I have some kind of measuring stick.....

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bhutocracy

I don't really think you'd win a case on this.

trust me I will just watch!

I bought the design from the original artist... I know a little about copyright after my last rundevu with a looser trying to steal my work and the lawyer gave me a little lecture....

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:26 AM

bp $1000.. you know I'll never go out of a deal and loose more than I paid....

boneprone · 11-26-2002, 06:27 AM

Im selling my copy for 850.00

funkmaster · 11-26-2002, 06:29 AM

"I actually paid some cash and had this all copyright filed."

... I stood next to him, he is not in funny mode right now ... this is serious, the design will be used at studiobone.com

bhutocracy · 11-26-2002, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vegasdude

trust me I will just watch!

I bought the design from the original artist... I know a little about copyright after my last rundevu with a looser trying to steal my work and the lawyer gave me a little lecture....

the thing is amp offered his work to bucknaked who gave it to hungryman. it's not as if he issued an invoice for it. and given it was an "in-joke" and a non-issue for so long it would be easy to prove that it's hungry's.. Amp consented to it's use. irrespective of sides and all that.. i don't think objectively he would lose the right to it in court.

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:30 AM

bhutocracy

I dont care only one will be using that design and I have not been contacted yet so I expect that to be me!

funkmaster · 11-26-2002, 06:30 AM

"Im selling my copy for 850.00"

you gotta be fucking kiddin, ey ?? didn´t we just pay $3.500 to get the legal stuff done ??

.:Frog:. · 11-26-2002, 06:31 AM

Serious Question:
Why would you buy a design that has so many problems attached to it?

And to be 100% honest that design kinda sucks, even amp mentioned he wasn't to fond of it. You should have paid money to have a new site built and avoid all this.

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:33 AM

and bhutocracy you don't have all the inside details but trust me when I tell you....

If I have to paybone $850 just to teach people I hate to be ignored then I'll gladly pay up his fee.....

no matter how you twist it I own the design and it will be online on www.studiovegas.com if HM does not contact me....

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by .:Frog:.
Serious Question:
Why would you buy a design that has so many problems attached to it?

And to be 100% honest that design kinda sucks, even amp mentioned he wasn't to fond of it. You should have paid money to have a new site built and avoid all this.

I have assiged amp a new designjob but a man needs a good under construction site don't ya think???

.:Frog:. · 11-26-2002, 06:36 AM

Good point.

Pipecrew · 11-26-2002, 06:37 AM

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EscortBiz · 11-26-2002, 06:40 AM

vegasdude how is Kim

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew
very gay for anyone that would do this!

takes one to know one right???

I actually dont care if me buying this design is bad taste... AMP is my long term designer and when I saw him thirsthy I offered him endless supply of beer....

I offered to pay what is owed to take over the design because I could use it and help out one I respect...

I have pointed out if HM wants the design he needs to pay me equal amount no less no more..

thats fair in my book and a lesson teached!

bhutocracy · 11-26-2002, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vegasdude
and bhutocracy you don't have all the inside details but trust me when I tell you....

If I have to paybone $850 just to teach people I hate to be ignored then I'll gladly pay up his fee.....

no matter how you twist it I own the design and it will be online on www.studiovegas.com if HM does not contact me....

just calling it as i see it

- i personally think it's burning money though.

Gman.357 · 11-26-2002, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by funkmaster
"Im selling my copy for 850.00"

you gotta be fucking kiddin, ey ?? didn´t we just pay $3.500 to get the legal stuff done ??

hehe. That's a lot of money just to copyright a design.

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:41 AM

EscortBiz hit me up on icq one of these days!!!

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:43 AM

Quote:

think it's burning money though

then you would like my lawyer... she sucks one dry

bhutocracy · 11-26-2002, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vegasdude

then you would like my lawyer... she sucks one dry

I don't like ANY lawyers..

my last one fleeced 1k from me in addition to his fee in a very-hard-to-get-back way on a government rebate on buying a house.

one before that took a full twelve months to get a model release form to me.

Gman.357 · 11-26-2002, 06:49 AM

Interesting. I suppose if someone copyrighted this material already legally since yesterday, you paid the initial $30 for registration of a claim to copyright. Then you paid the $580 for special claim to expedite the registration of your qualified claim, assuming your claim was qualified. I think there is a waiting period for approval of a claim as well, which would provide an opposing party the opportunity to file their claim too. So I doubt any claim filed yesterday is legally valid today.

funkmaster · 11-26-2002, 06:49 AM

"And to be 100% honest that design kinda sucks, even amp mentioned he wasn't to fond of it."

... not anymore, adjustments have been made.

<img src="http://www.markscash.com/images/fun/studiobone.jpg">

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:54 AM

hehe funk its mine made arrangements to payup....

and don't say im evil cuz I contacted hungryman right after the purchase...

offfer stands until tomorrow midnight mytime.... HM contact me and lets talk... if not I WILL BE THE ONLY ONE USING THE DESIGN.

Vegas

Gman.357 · 11-26-2002, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone

Automatic Copyright huh? Ill have to look that one up.

Also were any legal contracts ever signed on any deals here?

You may think you are selling HM a product, but in reality HM needs to pay me for these rights now.

You are officially a nobody.

I hate to intrude in such a stimulating argument over copyright laws, but according to the US Copyright Office:

"Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form so that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device."

So the moment the design was created, it was indeed copyrighted.

Gman.357 · 11-26-2002, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gman.357

I hate to intrude in such a stimulating argument over copyright laws, but according to the US Copyright Office:

"Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form so that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device."

So the moment the design was created, it was indeed copyrighted.

Therefor, the only reason one would file it legally, is to have a record of it's existance. The original PSD files by the material's creator are proof enough, and never really need to be filed in order for them to be legally copyrighted to the creator.

gothweb · 11-26-2002, 06:58 AM

Copyright is automatic. As soon as an artist creates something, he has copyright. While trademarks are often registered, copyrights definitely don't need to be. Boneprone, you need to find some new jokes. The current material is getting old.

Gman.357 · 11-26-2002, 06:59 AM

I'm just making this post because I realized it would be 100. Ah. There we go.

goBigtime · 11-26-2002, 06:59 AM

Use the poor mans copyright.

Send a disc containing the completed PSD to yourself via fedex something thts trackable with a signature. Keep it sealed till theres a problem.

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 06:59 AM

well sounds great thats less money to spend on my behalf

funkmaster · 11-26-2002, 07:00 AM

"and don't say im evil cuz I contacted hungryman right after the purchase"

... I would never say such things.

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime
Use the poor mans copyright.

Send a disc containing the completed PSD to yourself via fedex something thts trackable with a signature. Keep it sealed till theres a problem.

cool will have amp send it on a disc sealed... but I tell you if he sends me a dead or alive ped im gunna go postal!

goBigtime · 11-26-2002, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime
Use the poor mans copyright.

Send a disc containing the completed PSD to yourself via fedex something thts trackable with a signature. Keep it sealed till theres a problem.

Err... you don't ever open it. You just threaten to.
(and only do if when you are in court -- but it would never go that far if they are unable to prove their ownership)

Poor mans copyright kicks ass

goBigtime · 11-26-2002, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vegasdude

cool will have amp send it on a disc sealed... but I tell you if he sends me a dead or alive ped im gunna go postal!

It's too late now. You want it to be recorded as sealed in the envelope at the earliest recorded date. Like BEFORE shit like this pop's off.

But yeah, a lot of writers use the poor mans copyright before they send their newly completed works off to people for review/consideration.

If its still unclear here....

You would put your completed works in a fedex envelope & ship it to yourself. Then you have the earliest record of the completed works.

jimmy3way · 11-26-2002, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
All this talk about copyright's and shit, i really doubt any of you ever legally registered anything. In fact im willing to bet none of you even have attorney's or can afford one.

Hahahahah I agree with this one totally. I love when people say TALK TO MY LAWYER...when they wouldn't even know where to find one bedies the yellow pages...or 1-800-THE-EAGLE.

Gman.357 · 11-26-2002, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime

Err... you don't ever open it. You just threaten to.
(and only do if when you are in court -- but it would never go that far if they are unable to prove their ownership)

Poor mans copyright kicks ass

That's absolutely correct. The only reason to ever file a copyright through the government is so that you have a record of it on file to prevent yourself from ever having to go to court in the first place, and also preventing someone from wasting their money filing a copyright claim on something they have absolutely no rights to.

Bone, if you really filed a claim yesterday, it's invalid, and you just wasted your $3500 or whatever it was you paid.

vegasdude · 11-26-2002, 07:10 AM

cool and because im the only one with the original psd files (which has a time stamp so you can see when they are created) I will have no worries....

nice trick!

but thats something I'll have to worry about tomorrow

goBigtime · 11-26-2002, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
Copyright is automatic. As soon as an artist creates something, he has copyright. While trademarks are often registered, copyrights definitely don't need to be. Boneprone, you need to find some new jokes. The current material is getting old.

But how would you prove you are the original artist of a web design?

I for one wouldn't purchase a design without psd's and originals of all images/clipart used.

Whoever holds the PSD's could techinically argue that they are the original design. You could try to show other examples of work to prove that it LOOKS like the same type of design.

But if that was worth anything, there would be a lot of bands that could sue each other for sounding like one another.

They could say that the music that sounds like them was acutally originally created by them (if they had the original tracks as well - like in this case with mutiple people having PSDs)

11-26-2002, 06:02 AM	#1
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	Mr. HUNGRYMAN you need to contact me whether you like it or NOT. cuz I own the design used at paysitedesign.com.... bought it yesterday. so nomatter how you put it we need to talk cuz only one of us will be using the design. I expect a msg from you today. To your success, Best Wishes - "Vegasdude" Email: [email protected] ICQ : 128575758

11-26-2002, 06:10 AM	#3
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	What did you buy? A design? I hear all this talk about copyright's and stuff. Well as of this morning you may have paid amp for the design, but it has been registered under copyright laws by my copyright attorney this morning. All this talk about copyright's and shit, i really doubt any of you ever legally registered anything. In fact im willing to bet none of you even have attorney's or can afford one. If you can and do, please send me a copy of the LEGAL Copyright showing a date previous to this morning. Becasue as far as I know, I now LEGALLY own the design dispite who created it, owned it or bought it. Bow to the Power. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

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11-26-2002, 06:13 AM	#6
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Do any of you know how copyright laws really work? Do any of you really take the time to register this legal document? Id like to see it. Ill show you mine if you show me yours. Hope you didnt fork over too much cash Vegas. I have nothing against you bro, its just I like Drama and what a better way than to spend some cash on my part and throw this wild card into the fire. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

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11-26-2002, 06:10 AM	#2
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11-26-2002, 06:13 AM	#5
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11-26-2002, 06:14 AM	#7
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11-26-2002, 06:15 AM	#8
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	bone your so funny... the artist get automatic copyright..heh and funk I took a chance and I bought it...... call me evil but im not to give HM any slack or beeing a pussy... either he pays me equal amount that I gave or let me use it... the design is to be used on studiovegas.com when amp gets the changes made... Vegas

11-26-2002, 06:19 AM	#9
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	and anyone who knows me KNOW that I hate being put on wait.... HM will have a chance to get it back if he really wants but the door is only open for so long... hehe and BP i like the drama myself thats why if me and hungry does not settle I will guarantee that only my design will be up.

11-26-2002, 06:24 AM	#14
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	this is serious man! I actually paid some cash and had this all copyright filed. I shit you not!! I love drama! How much were you selling your "automatic" rights to this for? Just so I have some kind of measuring stick..... __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

11-26-2002, 06:26 AM	#16
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	bp $1000.. you know I'll never go out of a deal and loose more than I paid....

11-26-2002, 06:27 AM	#17
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Im selling my copy for 850.00 __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

11-26-2002, 06:29 AM	#18
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	"I actually paid some cash and had this all copyright filed." ... I stood next to him, he is not in funny mode right now ... this is serious, the design will be used at studiobone.com

11-26-2002, 06:30 AM	#20
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	bhutocracy I dont care only one will be using that design and I have not been contacted yet so I expect that to be me!

11-26-2002, 06:31 AM	#22
.:Frog:. Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ~ C A N A D A ~ Posts: 2,123	Serious Question: Why would you buy a design that has so many problems attached to it? And to be 100% honest that design kinda sucks, even amp mentioned he wasn't to fond of it. You should have paid money to have a new site built and avoid all this. __________________ <a href="http://www.pornopayouts.com/?rid=pp3076">PornoPayouts</a> Tons of Hosted Galleries. Last edited by .:Frog:.; 11-26-2002 at 06:32 AM..

11-26-2002, 06:33 AM	#23
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	and bhutocracy you don't have all the inside details but trust me when I tell you.... If I have to paybone $850 just to teach people I hate to be ignored then I'll gladly pay up his fee..... no matter how you twist it I own the design and it will be online on www.studiovegas.com if HM does not contact me....

11-26-2002, 06:36 AM	#25
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11-26-2002, 06:49 AM	#34
Gman.357 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 2,796	Interesting. I suppose if someone copyrighted this material already legally since yesterday, you paid the initial $30 for registration of a claim to copyright. Then you paid the $580 for special claim to expedite the registration of your qualified claim, assuming your claim was qualified. I think there is a waiting period for approval of a claim as well, which would provide an opposing party the opportunity to file their claim too. So I doubt any claim filed yesterday is legally valid today. Last edited by Gman.357; 11-26-2002 at 06:50 AM..

11-26-2002, 06:54 AM	#36
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	hehe funk its mine made arrangements to payup.... and don't say im evil cuz I contacted hungryman right after the purchase... offfer stands until tomorrow midnight mytime.... HM contact me and lets talk... if not I WILL BE THE ONLY ONE USING THE DESIGN. Vegas

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11-26-2002, 06:59 AM	#41
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	Use the poor mans copyright. Send a disc containing the completed PSD to yourself via fedex something thts trackable with a signature. Keep it sealed till theres a problem.

11-26-2002, 07:00 AM	#43
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	"and don't say im evil cuz I contacted hungryman right after the purchase" ... I would never say such things.

11-26-2002, 07:10 AM	#49
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	cool and because im the only one with the original psd files (which has a time stamp so you can see when they are created) I will have no worries.... nice trick! but thats something I'll have to worry about tomorrow