no shit.... why go through some third party who is only in it for their profit. They call them SALES REPS, turning a buck by selling someone elses work. Not a friggin designer. damn art pimps what to do

:) you too sir

rock on Amp woooooohooooo hehe

He didnt draw that cartoon either I bet?

Does Hungry do any work?

Ive asked to see 'Hungryman's toons - he links toons that others have drawn.

In fact have seen him say my boy Dagget could draw toons better on ANY day than he ever could - and even says he pays my friend more than the others. And that he is one of Hungrymans best toonists.

Yet, has your 'best toonist' been paid for his services?

Nope.

Why? Because he isnt in this industry - he is a friend of my cvlose friends, and Hungryman better not fuck him.

Better fucking not.

I just woke up and this shits still at the top.

Probably cuz hungry hasn't had a word yet. Ppl are waiting.

Hungry used to take 2 days to reply to threads like

'Hungry did you do that toon'

He obviously knows about this thread as werll as others.

Seriously, he better pay up, this shit is getting bad.

hes fucking too many people now.

How long have people been owed?

I know my boy has been being told 'next monday' for like 2 months and still Hungry is trying to lay jobs on him.

What the fuck Hungry - pay yuour fucking bills and stop fucking my friend.

Lame fucking people.

I hate people who cant fucking pay their bills.

I seen the guy who owns http://www.kingofbabes.com try to sell his site on GFY.

Has he not paid Hungryman for the logo my friend did?

Then why hasnt my friend been paid?

Just asking, and I never get an answer.

ya know, since hungryman has so many talented designers under him anyhow, why doesn't he just get one of them to do a new design for the site? Shouldn't be too tough to do.

It's time to spam...

If your problem is the design cost just buy online these 10 templates for 29$.

Believe it, it's true: http://templates.sexplanets.com/.


:ak47:

I did graphic design for print at one point in my life, frequently working for ad agencies, and even there they leveled with the client that they were using outside help, and frequently I was there with the agency and client when the artwork was presented.

Too funny.

IN that Voodoo icq log you have Hungry claiming designers dont produce or meet deadlines when they have been [paid up front.

Can quote it.

Then he goes on to say how he pays 'in full when finished'

ummm, then pay the people you owe Hungry.

Why havent you?

Its as simple as your own words - and you not living by them.

GFY atmosphere is yet to be beaten anywhere in the online world. Something wonderful. Although, this would suck for hungry, if he infact is innocent.. if he isn't, this is what exposing should feel like.

Wrong kids there is a rigt way and a wrong way of doin things .. Amp chose the wrong way.

Threats and insults will never get you want you want. Oh and threats just fuel a fire. THat's what he did ... He was asked by many to tone it down .. And still has yet to confirm or back up anything he has said. I've been in the Arts for 20 years. I know copyright .. ANd so far there is nothing that validates his story ... If he was smart or just polite he would of got intouched with us and explained his delema. We hadnt heard anything about this before. But rather he decided to air his laundry. His claim bairly enters him in small claims court. While mine can last for weeks. THink about that for awhile .. Think about everything he has written here, it's all admissable. .. Good day

Thanks man. I'm around here and there. Busy making money so my posts are pretty sporadic :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Jak

I don't mean to be an anal bitch, but... as an Executive representing a "professional design company", could you please double check your spelling. It's annoying reading your posts and having to assume what words were supposed to be.

Carry on...

Fill me in as to what exactly is his story, or Sly if you know the exact claim that Amp is making how about you filling me in?

I'm too busy not making money, so my posts are very regular.

A midget standing on the shoulders of a giant can see much further than the giant.

Thats one of the 48 laws of Power.
The "Great" Thomas Edison was a master of this.

It boils down like this, or at least my take on it.

Amp designed Paysite Design. Nobody seems to be arguing that.

The real question is who Amp did the work for. Amp was saying earlier on he did it for Hungry, yet Vid is saying the design was purchased from Pensfan and Amp did the work for Pensfan. Nobody seems to be refuting the second claim, as of yet, so it looks to me like that's what happened.

If that IS what happened. All of this is crazy. Amp should have said, hey, Pensfan never paid me for your design, let's get this handled. If Hungry had any integrity at all, the situation would've been taken care of. But, Hungry already has a tainted reputation amongst many, so it's hard to say. I don't really know Hungry, tried to talk to him a couple times about a free gallery he offered me, never heard back.

Who knows. Just a lot of flaming and siding. There are little facts involved. I have no doubt that Amp didn't get paid. Just wondering WHO was supposed to pay him.

Hope you get your money in the end, Amp.

Took the words right outta my mouth Sly....LOL

Well so far nobody has proved otherwise either. Maybe you guys should post something proving that you own the design (like a paid invoice), and don't owe payment on it. After all, that pretty design has been chillin right there on psd dot com for a few months now. How's business?

If your design company is soooo professional just change the design, and wash your hands of it. The damage seems to be done.

This is like an episode of Cops, where they arrest some guy and pull a bag of crack out of his pocket, yet he claims someone put it there and its not his, or his fault. Or those guys who get pulled over in a stolen car they just borrowed from a friend. :1orglaugh

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Jak

100 :321GFY


Jak

I hate when people post 100.

edit: Bastard!! Beat me to it. :1orglaugh

So do I , but it's my first time so hey... :Graucho


Jak

Thanks for bringing me up to speed. Several unanswered questions spinning in the wind. It appears the burden of proof lies with Amp, without proof it is just another unfounded BS accusation apparently originally directed at Hungryman. If this just turns out to be a false accusation Amp will drop a notch on my peg. I don't want this to happen as, up to this point, without knowing Amp personally, I have liked his board persona for the most part. Where is the "beef" Amp?

AMP... did they take the actual graphics by downloading the work off your site or did you give them a zip with the completed work? The designers I work with usually require 50% up front and then 50% before I get the completed zip. It's fair for everyone that way. I always pay for what I order so people not paying for designs that they order and then using them on their site is pretty fucked up.

The good thing that came out of this thread is a brilliant new idea. Thanks guys!

I don't know about all you's but when a design is sold of ours....50% down and the balance when done.

And IF for certain circumstances the design is put up and the balance isn't paid. We put a file in the design work. and if it's not paid at a certain time as agreed upon we turn the switch and the damn thing goes down.

NEVER TRUST ANYONE!! when it comes to money. I don't care how long you've known em, there's always a first time of being fucked over

Are Amp and Hungry both asleep? Why haven't we heard from either of them?

dh

Their fucking and making up :1orglaugh

Alright kiddies, there's been a lot of speculation here and it's time that the whole story from the guy it surrounds comes to light. By the way if no one knows I am/was Pensfan...

Alright, I have been in the design business for about 10 years, and in the adult design business for three...

Back when I was running my toon paysite, I was approached by a chick named BRIANNA about buying her compnaies toon flash feed, we started talking and everything was cool, then it turns out that BRIANNA was actually Paul Bradshaw aka Hungryman, posing as a chick so the bigger players in the biz would help him... SOmeone found out and the shit hit the fan...

Well a few weeks later he was back as hungryman and it seemed everyone had forgotten abotu that fiasco, and people were talking to him again...

He started asking me for a job, as a sales guy and after some serious thought I decided I'd give him a shot, everyone deserves a second chance ya know?

So I hired him for a minimal base pay and a percentage to sell my own members plug ins which he never had much luck selling, however, he did have a knack for selling design work, which at the time I was heavily into graffix alley, so he started selling minimal design work for me, it seemed that even though I was trying to help him he was doing my stuff half assed yet doing his own full on, which pissed me off...

hungryman became KNOWN for mine and my best friends toon logo abilities, and that was fine with me at the time because I was making the money, and it didn't matter if he took credit even though HE NEVER DREW ONE OF THE LOGOS IN GRAFFIX ALLEY.

When I went to work for adult.com, I kept him around because he was bringing in a few things, and I tried to pay him his salary, although it was tight, and a lot of times I couldn't, my fault, should have dropped him then.

Finally I got tired of it and let him do his own thing, however he didn't have a design site, a domain name or anything, so I was doing stuff with amp, and asked amp to do a site for hungryman so he would get the fuck away from me. Amp did a great design, and then all hell broke loose, HM showed off the design that HE DID to amp, amp kept quiet as a favor to me because I didn't want to start any trouble with my adult.com job, so we just laughed at the inside joke.

Now here's the fun part... Hungry's wife told him that if he didn't get off his ass and make money to support his family that she would leave him...

He came to me crying about it, and what I did was BUY A MEMBERSHIP for him to russian submitter, and build galleries for him so he could make money, all he had to do was everyday upload the new galleries and press a button...

Well he didn't hardly ever do them then cried to me cuz he wasn't making any money, then when his wife left him, everyone was like poor hungryman let's give him money... I was totally astonished by that one.

And I had to keep my mouth shut or I would have been fired, so I did, I let everyone think he was a great designer, let him do his own thing, bit my tongue everytime he talked smack about TennisAce, because he's no better, at least Daniel tries to design, unlike HM who goes around CLAIMING he's a designer when he isn't...

Oh and the hungryman apporved logo was created by me, That's why it isn't in his portfolio.

As far as vid's statements that HM paid me for designs he has in his portfolio as well as the design site, that's fucking bullshit, I let HM use that design site because I felt sorry for him, and asked amp to just let it go, even when hungry talked shit straight to amp's face, amp turned the other cheek smashed his monitor and moved on. (thanks buddy I owe ya a lot of corona for that one)

I HAVE NEVER RECEIVED A FUCKING DIME FROM THAT DEADBEAT HUNGRYMAN AND IF HE CLAIMS DIFFERENT THEN HE BETTER START SHOWING PROOF

The bottom line is this Hungryman has been a con man from the beggining when he was Brianna having cyber sex with big guys on albumside, he's a lazy fuck that has delusions of grandeur yet doesn't want to work for the glory.

A lot of the sites in his portfolio I paid for or am still making payments on yet because of my prior affiliation with adult.com I let him take advantage of me, and just let it go.

Well not anymore, that is over my friends...

Oh and when he shows you a design and you're like what the fuck is this god awful crap, then he claims well that's what I give a client when they only pay 100 bucks, it's actually that's all I give a client when I have to do the work myself...


Sorry for the book, it's been inside me for over two years...

Thanks for clearing up our minds.....

Oh, and I own hotwebmistresses.com and from this point on, I am taking it back...

whoaa *in keanu reevs voice*

:eek7

To fucking funny .

and the truth shall set you fucking free.... :glugglug

BUCKNAKED

So what is the bottom line. Do they legally own the design or not?

ummm..... I own the fucking design brainiac.

Always.

Amp, if you could hold back of ripping HUngry after him shopwing you *his* design this long.

Fuck you HAVE control. Trust. and an honor system among peers.

This shit was due.

:glugglug

Got this from Hungryman on icq:

Hey Duane ... Why the fuck is Amp telling me I owe him money for a site design (which was by no means COMPLETE ...) ,,, but oddly enough I was told by you I could have when we parted ways with xxxdesigngroup.com ???

Ya know after awhile bullshit and reality tend to blend together, and you actually believe your own bullshit...

Well I'm back in fucking reality god dammit, maybe someday Hungryman can get there I doubt it though, he still thinks he's a designer:1orglaugh

So did his wife leave him because he was a lazy broke fuck, or for cybering with hard legs?
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