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Socks · 04-02-2009, 09:16 PM

Media and software copyright is clearly a huge problem, entirely out of control, and completely unprofitable.

Most of the companies in the world that produce the best english software and media, are based in the United States.

Why is it that the lobbyists for the software and media titans of the country can't get some changes to a law?

donkevlar · 04-02-2009, 09:18 PM

What would you prioritize it over?

_Richard_ · 04-02-2009, 09:20 PM

read something awhile back about a group leaning on the Canadian government regarding pirating/copy right laws.. and succeeded

Domain Diva · 04-02-2009, 09:23 PM

I read a marketing article and it mentioned some corps didnt actually mind having thier products copied as they went with the belief that people would buy the genuine product if they liked it. One of the names using that way of thinking was Rolex Watches.

So I guess sometimes what we may see or think could be hidden by a bigger more complex agenda .

donkevlar · 04-02-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberClaire

I read a marketing article and it mentioned some corps didnt actually mind having thier products copied as they went with the belief that people would buy the genuine product if they liked it. One of the names using that way of thinking was Rolex Watches.

So I guess sometimes what we may see or think could be hidden by a bigger more complex agenda .

What it comes down to is that you cannot make shitty products and just trick people into buying them anymore.

This is why Metallica bitches about napster and Radiohead gives their albums away for free.

tony286 · 04-02-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by donkevlar

What it comes down to is that you cannot make shitty products and just trick people into buying them anymore.

This is why Metallica bitches about napster and Radiohead gives their albums away for free.

How does giving away someone else's work without permission come down to that?

bo$$ · 04-02-2009, 09:49 PM

Because they are prioritizing giving the hardworking-taxpaying people's tax money to all the fucking lazy hoodrats who dont want to work

Socks · 04-02-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by donkevlar

What it comes down to is that you cannot make shitty products and just trick people into buying them anymore.

This is why Metallica bitches about napster and Radiohead gives their albums away for free.

I agree that a good strategy in today's piracy environment is to provide free incentives, but let's face it, creating stuff costs money. People create stuff to make money. Let's get past that.

I also don't believe piracy is all bad. Microsoft is the biggest software company in the world, and it's because of piracy they were able to get there, imo.

But clearly music has been watered down by it's free availability that has led Radiohead for example to that belief. They don't believe music should be free, they just believe that right now, it's a good idea to side with the often maniacal hordes of teens who have no understanding of ownership, no understanding of working for a living, and throw all logic and reason out of the window to hang on to something they don't want to lose - free shit.

Piracy will always be around, but it's gone way too mainstream. It's not a few computer geeks sending around a few programs anymore. It's wide open for everyone on free websites.. It can't continue like that forever.

I'm scared that by forcing the government to regulate the internet, they're going to be stupid about it and go too far. But at some point, their hands will be forced by the people's inability to control themselves.

tony286 · 04-02-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks

I agree that a good strategy in today's piracy environment is to provide free incentives, but let's face it, creating stuff costs money. People create stuff to make money. Let's get past that.

I also don't believe piracy is all bad. Microsoft is the biggest software company in the world, and it's because of piracy they were able to get there, imo.

But clearly music has been watered down by it's free availability that has led Radiohead for example to that belief. They don't believe music should be free, they just believe that right now, it's a good idea to side with the often maniacal hordes of teens who have no understanding of ownership, no understanding of working for a living, and throw all logic and reason out of the window to hang on to something they don't want to lose - free shit.

Piracy will always be around, but it's gone way too mainstream. It's not a few computer geeks sending around a few programs anymore. It's wide open for everyone on free websites.. It can't continue like that forever.

I'm scared that by forcing the government to regulate the internet, they're going to be stupid about it and go too far. But at some point, their hands will be forced by the people's inability to control themselves.

Microsoft was the biggest before the net and file trading.Just a FYI.

CyberHustler · 04-02-2009, 10:12 PM

Radiohead makes show money...

Socks · 04-02-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Microsoft was the biggest before the net and file trading.Just a FYI.

tony man, file trading started waaaaay before the internet. Your chronology is all messed up.

Socks · 04-02-2009, 10:24 PM

Hrmmm fucked that up

Odin · 04-02-2009, 10:27 PM

p2p is building the internet infrastructure of the future. I can't help but think Governments see some sense in not clamping down too quickly and stalling the feasibility and expansion of the said infrastructure. Maybe the tube/streaming revolution (which has absolutely in part been forced on corporations by p2p) will take its place in time.

Socks · 04-02-2009, 10:35 PM

Here.. In 1988 Microsoft surpassed Lotus Development Corporation as the leading software vendor, with more than $500 million in sales. The company was accused of copyright infringement by Apple, which alleged that Microsoft had copied the "look and feel" of the Macintosh, in a lawsuit that was finally dismissed after five years of litigation.

donkevlar · 04-02-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Radiohead makes show money...

So do porn sites that make money.

Tony: I don't know how you jumped to that conclusion, I was responding to the thing I quoted.

crockett · 04-02-2009, 10:56 PM

Because the pirates are future voters...

Matt 26z · 04-03-2009, 01:20 AM

Piracy really isn't a huge problem.

Compare the movie theater to a 25 inch CRT TV. Now compare the theater to an HDTV with a sound system. The difference between the theater and home experience has narrowed. Instead of the theater industry improving their experience relative to the improvements of TV's or lowering ticket & popcorn prices, they have blamed piracy for declining ticket sales.

The music industry isn't making less money, only the RIAA is suffering. It's no secret that most bands want to give their music away for free and use the increased popularity to make the real money from touring, merchandise, appearances and endorsements. Bands historically don't make jack squat from album sales unless they are really big. People think a gold record is a great thing, but even at that sales level the band may still owe their label money for their half of the production costs.

Video game piracy is equally as bad as music and movies. Yet when is the last time you heard the video game industry complaining? Video games are like cigarettes. Anything to get you hooked. Then you go out and buy an XBox and you are forced to buy $50 games because Xbox Live will ban your console if you bring your pirated stuff on there.

In porn the sky is always falling. It's always something. There is a constant boogeyman that is going to destroy the business. The fact is, almost all members areas suck. They don't retain and that is why they are hitting their members with very aggressive cross sales and even banging cards. But let's forget that free porn has always been a problem in one form or another and just blame the tubes and their shitty quality video now.

gideongallery · 04-03-2009, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Socks

But clearly music has been watered down by it's free availability that has led Radiohead for example to that belief. They don't believe music should be free, they just believe that right now, it's a good idea to side with the often maniacal hordes of teens who have no understanding of ownership, no understanding of working for a living, and throw all logic and reason out of the window to hang on to something they don't want to lose - free shit.

watch the interviews that radiohead gave after the gave away their music for free. The point is that the record companies take 90%, charge the production and advertising cost to the artist 10%, which means they have a choice of using the radio to promote their stuff in the hopes of getting 5% (after charges) of the record sales or they can give away the content on the internet, and hope that 5% will pay them 100%. given the numbers of people who actually paid for the music. They made out like bandits.

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Piracy will always be around, but it's gone way too mainstream. It's not a few computer geeks sending around a few programs anymore. It's wide open for everyone on free websites.. It can't continue like that forever.

I'm scared that by forcing the government to regulate the internet, they're going to be stupid about it and go too far. But at some point, their hands will be forced by the people's inability to control themselves.

i love this, you give an example of someone successfully embracing the technology and making huge bank, by cutting the leaching middleman out of the picture and you still have the sky is falling attitude.

My GOD what exactly does someone have to say to you to get it thru your head that embracing the technology will make you more money (unless you are one of those scum sucking middlemen of course)

Matt 26z · 04-03-2009, 01:50 AM

And I would like to expand on my post above by saying that free porn hasn't increased. The difference is that instead of having the blunt of free porn traffic spread out over the Sex Tracker top 100 or whatever, it is now at a FEW major tube sites. So it just appears worse now.

These people surfing the tubes were surfing SleazyDream, Shemp, PK, Thumbzilla, Hun, Al4A, etc... three years ago. It is the same people. It was hard to sell them a membership back then, and it's still hard today because the are leaches.

Ace_luffy · 04-03-2009, 02:02 AM

99% in china (alone) is using pirated software and other media , most of the media corp are from US and if they didn't stop piracy , some of the Media Corp will be close like in film , software and games which US is the major suppliers on it

After Shock Media · 04-03-2009, 12:54 PM

If free works along with the pay what you feel attitude that goes along with many of these give away stunts. How come it failed so damn hard when Stephen King tried it. The book industry works a lot like the music industry in that the top selling authors support all of the failing ones. Most just get their advance money up front and if they move enough product a percentage of sales. However book companies often end up buying back unsold product from vendors.
So his attempt really would of been cutting the middleman out of it and nobody can honestly say he does not normally move product or have a very devote fan base.

Ace_luffy · 04-03-2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Piracy really isn't a huge problem.

Compare the movie theater to a 25 inch CRT TV. Now compare the theater to an HDTV with a sound system. The difference between the theater and home experience has narrowed. Instead of the theater industry improving their experience relative to the improvements of TV's or lowering ticket & popcorn prices, they have blamed piracy for declining ticket sales.

The music industry isn't making less money, only the RIAA is suffering. It's no secret that most bands want to give their music away for free and use the increased popularity to make the real money from touring, merchandise, appearances and endorsements. Bands historically don't make jack squat from album sales unless they are really big. People think a gold record is a great thing, but even at that sales level the band may still owe their label money for their half of the production costs.

Video game piracy is equally as bad as music and movies. Yet when is the last time you heard the video game industry complaining? Video games are like cigarettes. Anything to get you hooked. Then you go out and buy an XBox and you are forced to buy $50 games because Xbox Live will ban your console if you bring your pirated stuff on there.

In porn the sky is always falling. It's always something. There is a constant boogeyman that is going to destroy the business. The fact is, almost all members areas suck. They don't retain and that is why they are hitting their members with very aggressive cross sales and even banging cards. But let's forget that free porn has always been a problem in one form or another and just blame the tubes and their shitty quality video now.

Ozarkz · 04-03-2009, 01:35 PM

It scares me how accepting people are about "Free" and "Pirated" content on these adult forums.

You guys are sabotaging yourselves out of a lot of money.

If you READ, every single industry that produces a product that can be pirated has lost a lot in profits.

The gaming console industry is really the only ones to do a "decent" job in trying to nip the problem in the butt.

The music industry REALLY jumped on top of it but it was already too late. Why would they try to stop piracy if they didn't feel they were losing money?

Ozarkz · 04-03-2009, 01:48 PM

Back on topic.. The US government is SLOW on laws and issues related to technology.

The government is also very limited on what they can do to help because people are such fucking cry babies about wanting their pirated shit.

You think a politician is going to stand up to stop porn piracy? no fucking way. They are too busy trying to drill for oil in Alaska.

The US government also can't force other countries to comply and help.

It'd be soo fucking easy to stop piracy it's a joke.. ISPs have all the needed information.

Why the fuck are people allowed to download 600 gigabytes of data month?

Adult really has to police itself.. But unfortunately too many of you profit from "Free" and don't see how it has hurt you over the last 10 years.

hdkiller · 04-03-2009, 01:56 PM

Why the fuck are people allowed to download 600 gigabytes of data month?

Would you like to prefer to fund the black market by $1 copies of the latest movie on DVD?

Dirty F · 04-03-2009, 01:59 PM

Because 3rd world countries have other priorities like poverty and being involved in wars.

Ozarkz · 04-03-2009, 02:00 PM

Franck is right again.

Piracy is a global problem and many countries need to be able to work together to fight it.

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Originally Posted by hdkiller

Why the fuck are people allowed to download 600 gigabytes of data month?

Would you like to prefer to fund the black market by $1 copies of the latest movie on DVD?

Soo you rather just make it easy for them?

Their has ALWAYS been free porn. If it wasn't for "Free Porn" A LOT of you would have never made any money. Free porn is the biggest joke in history. It's even brought up on shows like "friends" ..

BUT free porn was kind of annoying.. Surfing for free porn was almost a skill..

Now over the last few years it's just become wayy too easy.

So you cut how much data people are allowed to download or upload. You make it a little more difficult again.

They have to find a store that sells the dvds.

At least those stores and guys on the street get raided and shut down. Yah.. they open back up the next day but it's something..

Unlike on the internet where NOTHING happens.

You got the fucking hosts posting here telling us to go fuck ourselves. lol.

Ozarkz · 04-03-2009, 03:01 PM

Actually the Satellite industry did the best job at fighting piracy.

A lot of guys made a lot of money pirating porn from C-Band back in the day.

If you are into FTA you know about Korean receivers and Chinese (clones) receivers.. The Chinese were cloning the hackable receivers so the head guy of the Korean receivers launched a virus on the Chinese receivers.

It was HUGE you'll never see anyone in adult trying to protect themselves like that.

gideongallery · 04-03-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

If free works along with the pay what you feel attitude that goes along with many of these give away stunts. How come it failed so damn hard when Stephen King tried it. The book industry works a lot like the music industry in that the top selling authors support all of the failing ones. Most just get their advance money up front and if they move enough product a percentage of sales. However book companies often end up buying back unsold product from vendors.
So his attempt really would of been cutting the middleman out of it and nobody can honestly say he does not normally move product or have a very devote fan base.

two words
no upsell.

the book is the final product in the chain for King
the live concert is the final product in the chain for Radio Head.

BTW the music industry "standard" is way worse than book publishing deals (because of production and marketing charge backs).

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Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	Piracy really isn't a huge problem. Compare the movie theater to a 25 inch CRT TV. Now compare the theater to an HDTV with a sound system. The difference between the theater and home experience has narrowed. Instead of the theater industry improving their experience relative to the improvements of TV's or lowering ticket & popcorn prices, they have blamed piracy for declining ticket sales. The music industry isn't making less money, only the RIAA is suffering. It's no secret that most bands want to give their music away for free and use the increased popularity to make the real money from touring, merchandise, appearances and endorsements. Bands historically don't make jack squat from album sales unless they are really big. People think a gold record is a great thing, but even at that sales level the band may still owe their label money for their half of the production costs. Video game piracy is equally as bad as music and movies. Yet when is the last time you heard the video game industry complaining? Video games are like cigarettes. Anything to get you hooked. Then you go out and buy an XBox and you are forced to buy $50 games because Xbox Live will ban your console if you bring your pirated stuff on there. In porn the sky is always falling. It's always something. There is a constant boogeyman that is going to destroy the business. The fact is, almost all members areas suck. They don't retain and that is why they are hitting their members with very aggressive cross sales and even banging cards. But let's forget that free porn has always been a problem in one form or another and just blame the tubes and their shitty quality video now.

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Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	And I would like to expand on my post above by saying that free porn hasn't increased. The difference is that instead of having the blunt of free porn traffic spread out over the Sex Tracker top 100 or whatever, it is now at a FEW major tube sites. So it just appears worse now. These people surfing the tubes were surfing SleazyDream, Shemp, PK, Thumbzilla, Hun, Al4A, etc... three years ago. It is the same people. It was hard to sell them a membership back then, and it's still hard today because the are leaches.

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Ozarkz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,377	It scares me how accepting people are about "Free" and "Pirated" content on these adult forums. You guys are sabotaging yourselves out of a lot of money. If you READ, every single industry that produces a product that can be pirated has lost a lot in profits. The gaming console industry is really the only ones to do a "decent" job in trying to nip the problem in the butt. The music industry REALLY jumped on top of it but it was already too late. Why would they try to stop piracy if they didn't feel they were losing money? Last edited by Ozarkz; 04-03-2009 at 01:37 PM..

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Ozarkz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,377	Back on topic.. The US government is SLOW on laws and issues related to technology. The government is also very limited on what they can do to help because people are such fucking cry babies about wanting their pirated shit. You think a politician is going to stand up to stop porn piracy? no fucking way. They are too busy trying to drill for oil in Alaska. The US government also can't force other countries to comply and help. It'd be soo fucking easy to stop piracy it's a joke.. ISPs have all the needed information. Why the fuck are people allowed to download 600 gigabytes of data month? Adult really has to police itself.. But unfortunately too many of you profit from "Free" and don't see how it has hurt you over the last 10 years. Last edited by Ozarkz; 04-03-2009 at 01:52 PM..

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Ozarkz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,377	Actually the Satellite industry did the best job at fighting piracy. A lot of guys made a lot of money pirating porn from C-Band back in the day. If you are into FTA you know about Korean receivers and Chinese (clones) receivers.. The Chinese were cloning the hackable receivers so the head guy of the Korean receivers launched a virus on the Chinese receivers. It was HUGE you'll never see anyone in adult trying to protect themselves like that. Last edited by Ozarkz; 04-03-2009 at 03:04 PM..