http://www.imagecross.com/02/image-h...746redtube.jpg

It's quite stable on this graph, it's in the 50s and I have a feeling the flucations are huge on these levels. That's why I think it's going down and up.

Before tubes I remember seeing The hun being in the 200s, there are three tube sites in the 50s of Alexa, grabbing a lot of adult traffic pie.

And the hun were at around 3 million visitors at it's peak.

If not this year, tgps will die in the next couple years.

Seems like an image error, here is RedTube chart:
http://www.imagecross.com/02/image-h...746redtube.jpg

The bottom line is, conversion ratios are worsening because overall net porn sales are declining year over year for the entire industry. Notice I did not say overall traffic is declining, just sales. There are less sales out there to be had, so the trick is to compensate by driving more traffic.

That chart is for rank, if you do it for Reach and Page Views they are both trending down, quite a bit.

Check out the trends for YouPorn as well, all three parameters are down across the board. So much for the talk that that tubes are killing porn. Porn is killing porn.

beep beep.

The rank is trending down too, everything is trending down. I've visited redtube one time, and it was too slow. They may have cut down on servers. Still they have a three months average 6.98 page views.

My bet is that's far better than the average Tgp. (The irony)

Google have 8.56 page views 3 months average.

Pornhub have 8.5 page views 3 months average.

Some of you should just admit, this adult tubes are controlling a ton of traffic.

Traffic no one thought were possible to get a few years back.

MrLuvr, I glanzed before posting, I'm not gonna try to convice you.

The tubes have no traffic, and all adult surfers are gone.

If that's what you want to believe, so be it.

A half a year ago or so Google were 3:d on Alexa, now, how do you explain this?

Just look at the numbers son. :)

Things do tend to swing and it would be nice if the law against pirating or using other people's content swung the other way a bit. Otherwise we are in for a long year and maybe a near death to the industry as we know it.

the traffic graphs are being overanalyzed to death. Its the economy stupid. Everything is shitting the bed except mcdonalds & walmart. It is logical that the free porn traffic is growing & pay traffic is shrinking. When the buyers return the free porn will make the buyers selective, so your best bet is selling niche or brand building.

Duh.

if the traffic is the same and conversions and sales are declining (well, I agree on this), then it's obvious that the income of lots of people is shrinking though

by default, not every webmaster can increase their traffic if traffic pool stays the same

Why would the buyers return? And just a heads up but historically porn has been recession proof.

:2 cents:

Might be till it was rare and scarce, it was exciting - like you get excited renting a porn dvd every two weeks or visiting your fav paysite time from time, but if you can watch a shit load of it every day - it gets odd.

:2 cents:

Actually, this makes me realize I don't know anyone around me, who would ever pay for porn.

I would dare to say that a generic average 1000 uniques sent to a generic average porn site (trying to talk abstractly, as far as you have many variables in the game, such as niche, source of traffic, etc. ) definitely doesn't have the potential that it used to have.

I am afraid the days of the wild wild porn west are gone forever, and the numbers will never recover, open your eyes, check people's PC's and laptops, they have there hundreds of giga bytes of stolen and downloaded video out there, they have no problem to fill it with new stuff any day they want.

You might still make a good living if you target the right audience with the right product, but you'll hardly make what you COULD do even say 4 years ago. and you'll hardly ever effectively target the GENERAL audience that only wants a quick jack off.

The core reason for the steady and huge demand was totally destroyed by giving out the fast jack off for free.

What do you want to do?

Camz, dating? - good luck and a wealthy sponsor!

TV - good money, but you need to be really tough and have a bit of luck too to close them

DVD - dead

Mobile - fuck mobile - carriers are charging you to death (50 - 60 pct.) it's a huge hassle and you most likely need a company that has a contract with them as a middleman, and now with the new super flashy phones, you can go to the internet directly anyway not having to deal with their overpriced bullshit

off portal makes sense, on portal is a major fuck up

What did I miss?

Magazines, phone sex?

Christ, you don't want to deal with 60 something sleazy matadors, trying to explain you how they made money for their first golden chain in the 70's and how it sells

No way

BUT

Are you able to make a living on the internet ? YES

Are you able to make them convert ? YES

BUT you can't be dumb, too conservative, unprofessional, unexperienced etc.

You gotta keep an eye clearly on what makes YOUR money, what do you get per 1000 uniques?

You gotta keep the pimp hand strong on who YOU do business with - are you sending traffic to someone who's fucking up and stealing YOUR OWN traffic running some shady no affiliate links free shit?

End of the post!

You mean the old site?

Ok, that was a major fuck up, because it was "projected" while I was not even in the company and you CAN'T even see the EMAILS of the affiliates as an admin!

Ok, I've let that all rebuilt from the scratch, new cms, new billing, new tours, it was a major pain but now I have something completely functional, everything is rebuilt from the scratch.

My deep apologies, please send me your ID, email, payment info to [email protected] and if I wouldn't confirm that, bug me! I'll also give you a direct contact on our accountant who
s responsible for this.

Once again, my apologies for the fuck up.

I still watch porn, but definitely not the bang bros, brazzers what ever boring stuff that they keep putting out. Stuff like Rocco Siffredi, now that would still sell in this type of economy. Have you seen any of his stuff? A lot of it is 5 to 10 years old now, but it still works. He gets hots girls and he fucks them like they have never been fucked before, I mean he really fucks them.

people are still signing up for porn sites. but you're not going to find out why on gfy.

January's RULED!!! $$$$

:2 cents:

very true, I see more and more people addicted, wasting time with the web 2.0. bullshit every day, soon they won't even go out to get laid

:thumbsup

You can sell shitty stuff and make a bank as far as it's rare.

You can't sell shitty stuff if it's everywhere for free.

i wouldnt panic until tubes film exclusive stuff covering every niche and put up great quality clips with new updates.

should be about another year until that happens so cash in quick or cash out.

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Blame the tubes.. Yes really not just a catch phrase.

Two years or so ago affiliates actually promoted the paysites by using galleries or sending traffic directly to the tours from their main pages. Now days Affiliates and thieves that run illegal tubes send their traffic to dating and cam sites.

No big surprise there is less traffic going to paysite tours these days, it's because no one promotes the paysites they just use the content to promote dating and cams. Even the legal tubes, blogs and TGP's do the same these days..

Affiliate programs need to start putting their foot down as to how many adds can be on the same page as their promotional content.

There is nothing new about any of this. It's all old hat.

1) overload of free substitute on the net When you have a system run by people who want it for free, they see the solution as giving it away for free. It's a mindset.

2) cc scamming going on I think it was Crescent, or the company that runs this publisher who I first heard of ripping off credit cards, again nothing new.

3) no ethics - many will pull any scam they're capable of to steal your piece of the pie Since I first started selling here it was amazing the different attitudes there was to stealing or conning. It seemed doing it to an affiliates was a crime so bad it should be punished by death. Yet doing the same to customers was never really a problem. Unless it effected out income. Seems the worm has turned. :Oh crap

Some very good points.

This industry has always put the customer second. It's main thing was to sell to itself and expect the surfers to join because they had little choice. It was rarely about what customers wanted and always about what we needed.

Welcome to the result.

IF YOU WANT TO SELL BETTER YOU HAD BETTER HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO SELL.
The customer is clued up these days.

recently read a thread about a Tube site asking for a 1 off $5 donation for all the surfers who want to see full length, would love to know if that worked.

Educating him how and about what? They don't care if the content is stolen all they know is a Tube site, paid or free, is a better option than a lot of paysites they did join.

yeah, few years ago one could have a tgp with a few k uniques daily and he'd make a living

or just taffic from the SE's looking for "Teen sex" or "hardcore porn" or other semi-general terms like that, would convert into something

edit: obviously with the proper filtering and traffic sources, you can still convert 1:100 with some stuff, but that doesn't matter in the bigger picture of things


nowadays 1000 uniques is nothing, and often 10k uniques doesn't buy anything
unless you got micro-niche stuff like Barefootsies or magic join links like Paul M. :winkwink:

If you're right then this will kill some Tubes and severely slow down others. It costs money to run Tube sites and the idea that Tube site viewers don't buy is so wrong and indicates the thinking of the poster. If no porn Tube site viewers bought anything Tubes would not exist.

They just don't buy from many of us and people need to get that.

I'm still here so long after so many predicted my demise. :1orglaugh

What people really hated about those $5 sites was the idea that $5 would solve the needs of the surfers. Heaven forbid him not having to spend $30 so we could all earn a living. Welcome to the results.

And yes still get sign ups on http://www.5dollarsporn.com/ not a lot but never worked it. Now I have the CMS I have other problems. :(

I agree with you.

Problem is the beast is already unleashed and I doubt you will get him back in his cage.

True dat playa.

I do a lot more with a lot less in terms of traffic. But keep in mind,.. I also have very niche, highly targeted and filtered traffic (see ratios in sig). When they DO come. They come to buy.

Having 10,000 or a million UV a day that do not buy shit doesn't pay the bills. E-Penis about my "big traffic" that most on this board seem to focus on is part of this industry's problem. Traffic is nice, but if they are not coming to buy. Who fucking cares.

I'll take 300 UV a day where 1 in 6 buy versus 30,000 and they are all freeloaders.

:2 cents:

Yea I agree.. I remember when ATK Cash tried to take a stand on how their content was used. They got bashed on every board and likely lost a lot of webmasters because they tried to protect their content.

Spot on. The problem is that after 10 years of thinking content is not that important and the members will buy anything the truth is they will not.

As a content producer I know first hand many buyers attitude towards content. THEY BUY ON PRICE. And if sites arte converting worse, even with lower traffic, it's proof more of the people visiting sites are just not seeing what they want to buy. They're on a paysite tour, they are looking at paid porn, so they are not all free loaders. They are surfers you can't sell to and the solution is not get more traffic. IT'S CONVERT MORE OF THE TRAFFIC YOU HAVE.

The problem is that means you have to stop thinking 50 scenes shot by the same guy on a limited budget with models who really don't give a dam, is not going to sell because this is the only site with this girl, on that sofa. Because odds are she's on a 100 other sofas doing the same thing.

The solution is not HG either. Wish it was but Tube surfers prove it's not. It's good porn shot by someone who understands, with a twist that's different, a model doing it for real and not faking it and on a budget that makes it work.

But as we all know the solution in many peoples eyes is to spend more on sending more traffic to a site that converts worse. God forbid people thinking out of the box. LOL

The difference is Marlboro would have the brains to come up with a solution. Or the balls to make sure people were stopped. We only have the brains to keep moaning and never thing of solutions.

Not everything is solvable. You have to evolve not solve. :2 cents:

agree with the above ^

i'm sure some SURFERS are now banking more than many webmasters
via PPC surfer referrals to filehosts from the high traffic p2p forums..
so content thieves are now being PAID to share content illegally
imo this financial incentive is accelerating the fileshare problem

From what I can recall the main beef with them was they they wouldn't allow you to use their thumbnails on a tgp that used a skim....

I'm sure that they wished that they had such a minor problem right now.

Ongoing for years.

Bottom line, if you are affiliate you have no long term future.

The rip offs, shaving etc are out of hand and the traffic has turned to shit. Bring back the days of converting 1:32 and getting a $35 hit on a free signup.

I think the 1:100+ going towards the 1:500+ for people relates to as well a lot of countries coming on board that simply do not have the payment systems.

Free sites that have 30-40% turkey, india traffic a few years ago were unheard of, now they are everywhere, and they are big. That has to acccount for a bit of the drop that people see in conversions. Just have to adjust to different billing options.

You make a page about a pornstar, monitor the hits to it, you'll see google searches along the lines of 'pornstarname video rapidshare', 'pornstarname torrent' , 'pornstarname downloads' so even those not savvy in the technologies are certainly looking for ways to get it free.
Re-educating the surfer would be a tough thing to do but the industry could start with the tubes, instead of supporting them go back to the 2 min tease videos.
Back when tubes started I'd post this way with my URL on the end, made a lot of cash....
Tried doing that last month to Xtube, vid deleted before it was up because it's 'spam' telling me their users are there for the free porn and only the free porn. Sponsors supporting the tubes should be cracking down on this but they don't they follow quick cash... :(

This is very true and over the 30 years of selling adult content I have evolved from selling photographs mail order to where I am today. Had highs and lows but always evolving and adapting to the new opportunities.

The week before Eva's accident we had sat down and talked about making changes to the business to adapt to the changing markets. One was to open a giant PPV or download store with video scenes as low as 10 cents, the surfer adds them to a basket, pays and gets exactly what he paid for. There would be a minimum order amount. The site would look like a Tube and samples would be there in FLV.

Plus I was going to start shooting more and doing scenes hundreds of other shooters are not doing. Shooting something unique. Astral Blue retro videos is up and was doing nicely considering we have not launched the affiliates program yet. Last week was slow though. :)

As everyone knows our life took a turn last year and a lot was put on hold. Now with my problems it seems our lives will be on hold for a little longer.

But we're still evolving. We put up the free live show for members. We opened the site so surfers can see what they're getting. Neither were a magic bullet or link, but both improved sign up ratios.

We are always adding more content to the pay sites. So I'm sure you don't mean me whan you ask about evolving. Even the $5 porn sites were me trying to evolve to see if surfers would buy if the price was right. Sadly this industry latches on two broken links to one CC processor, ignoring the other to CCBILL, and continue their bull shitting terrified the surfers might latch onto a cheaper alternative. And hits their income.

And there is the problem. Too many in this business refuse to evolve or adapt because they want the clock to turn back to 1999 when surfers had to sign up. All the marketing skills so many boast about is revealed as just boasting if they need buyers who don't have the choice.

I will continue to evolve as much as my health permits. I wish others would evolve as well. But from a very recent post it's clear many still dream of a change with doing nothing about it.

Exactly!

Try to explain to a 40 something guy how to use a p2p or torrent and he'll get so freaked out he'll rather just push play again.

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