Why would some paysites not want to use affiliates? - GoFuckYourself.com

Marcus · 11-22-2002, 06:54 PM

Notice some paysites out there don't have a webmaster program.

Any reasons why a site wouldn't want others promoting it?

nocostporn · 11-22-2002, 06:59 PM

more than likely they do but not public..One reason being most programs get 90% of their signups from 5% of their affiliates..So why not save yourself the trouble of dealing with nobodies and just let that 5% in?...
and over saturation of course,i dont really believe in that one though

Marcus · 11-22-2002, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by nocostporn
more than likely they do but not public..One reason being most programs get 90% of their signups from 5% of their affiliates..So why not save yourself the trouble of dealing with nobodies and just let that 5% in?...
and over saturation of course,i dont really believe in that one though

you mean they only deal with affiliates who can send lots of signups?

quiet · 11-22-2002, 07:04 PM

simple. if you know what the fuck you are doing, it can be much more cost effective to hire people, and train them to push your site. much, much more cost effective. i'm done talking

nocostporn · 11-22-2002, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Marcus

you mean they only deal with affiliates who can send lots of signups?

in most cases yeah....If i can get a 30 steady affiliates,whos traffic I know,who wont really need any support and will stay with me,why not? .... 30 webmasters sending 2000 signups is better than 500 sending 2000 isnt it?

some people just have a shit load of traffic and send it to their own sites,another reason for no affiliates

nocostporn · 11-22-2002, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
simple. if you know what the fuck you are doing, it can be much more cost effective to hire people, and train them to push your site. much, much more cost effective. i'm done talking

what do YOU know anyway

Pete · 11-22-2002, 07:06 PM

Laziness and stupidity...thats all.

Have a nice day

Bake · 11-22-2002, 07:17 PM

It takes alot of time to run webmaster program and if your smart enought you will allready know who the smart guys are and just get them to sell your programes.Saves alot of time and BS

quiet · 11-22-2002, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by Pete
Laziness and stupidity...thats all.

Have a nice day

keep thinking that.

Sly_RJ · 11-22-2002, 07:19 PM

How do I build a web page?

XXXPaysiteDesign · 11-22-2002, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

keep thinking that.

I knew quiet would jump on that one.

Pete · 11-22-2002, 07:55 PM

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keep thinking that.

OK

quiet · 11-22-2002, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

OK

sweet

Pete · 11-22-2002, 07:59 PM

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keep thinking that.

Hold on...Let me rephrase that:

Laziness and stupidity.

Thats all....

Backov · 11-22-2002, 08:01 PM

Sheer foolishness.

I encourage all of my competitors to open affiliate programs, its the only way to get rich in this industry. Make sure to offer at least $45 per free trial signup with no shaving, and a 90% revshare program, or you're nobody.

After all, it's all about that sextracker counter, right? And who brings big traffic better than thousands of affiliates.

Cheers,
Backov

quiet · 11-22-2002, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

Hold on...Let me rephrase that:

Laziness and stupidity.

Thats all....

shall we have a stats stand off? i'm in the mood

Pete · 11-22-2002, 08:03 PM

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Sheer foolishness.

I encourage all of my competitors to open affiliate programs, its the only way to get rich in this industry. Make sure to offer at least $45 per free trial signup with no shaving, and a 90% revshare program, or you're nobody.

After all, it's all about that sextracker counter, right? And who brings big traffic better than thousands of affiliates.

Cheers,
Backov

I'm sensing some sarcasm.....Please advise

Sly_RJ · 11-22-2002, 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

shall we have a stats stand off? i'm in the mood

Could you teach me how to build a web page and upload it to the webernet? I want to make mad money with your program!

Pornkings · 11-22-2002, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
simple. if you know what the fuck you are doing, it can be much more cost effective to hire people, and train them to push your site. much, much more cost effective. i'm done talking

So how many employees have you lost going on there own?
or do you have a commission structure set up

Pete · 11-22-2002, 08:07 PM

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shall we have a stats stand off? i'm in the mood

Step aside fool, you dont know who your fooling with. What stats would you like to trade? The ones that make you look like an ass?

Dont try me cool guy.....

quiet · 11-22-2002, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

Step aside fool, you dont know who your fooling with. What stats would you like to trade? The ones that make you look like an ass?

Dont try me cool guy.....

revenue stats (keeping in mind that i don't have an affiliate program). ie all my sales are my own, without affilitates. or we can do traffic i guess, though that doesn't really mean shit.

maybe you are huge, but regardless, it will be fun for the gfy'ers

FlyingIguana · 11-22-2002, 08:12 PM

/me goes to pop some popcorn

Fletch XXX · 11-22-2002, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
maybe you are huge, but regardless, it will be fun for the gfy'ers

chodadog · 11-22-2002, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
maybe you are huge, but regardless, it will be fun for the gfy'ers

Indeed. This sort of thing gets me hard. Please continue.

Pete · 11-22-2002, 08:15 PM

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revenue stats (keeping in mind that i don't have an affiliate program). ie all my sales are my own, without affilitates. or we can do traffic i guess, though that doesn't really mean shit.

maybe you are huge, but regardless, it will be fun for the gfy'ers

Revenue stats? How does that prove you can make more money on a pay site with or without an affiliate program?

Stupidity answers that question.

quiet · 11-22-2002, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

Revenue stats? How does that prove you can make more money on a pay site with or without an affiliate program?

Stupidity answers that question.

wow. that was easy. i guess you don't want to go toe to toe

what happened to:

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Step aside fool, you dont know who your fooling with. What stats would you like to trade? The ones that make you look like an ass?

Dont try me cool guy.....

FlyingIguana · 11-22-2002, 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

Revenue stats? How does that prove you can make more money on a pay site with or without an affiliate program?

Stupidity answers that question.

means you can bring in the sales

quiet · 11-22-2002, 08:23 PM

gfy graphic guys, be ready to check any stats posted, for bs...

Pete · 11-22-2002, 08:25 PM

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wow. that was easy. i guess you don't want to go toe to toe

Toe to toe?

I'd be a while gathering data..what do you want to prove? I make more than you? I'm cool and your not? I smart and your dumb?

Sly_RJ · 11-22-2002, 08:26 PM

I have a bigger dick than all of you.

Pornkings · 11-22-2002, 08:27 PM

Just for kicks this will be the first and last time I post any type of our stats.

Just our search engine traffic for today
SE GRAND TOTAL TRAFFIC 11/22/02 Raw 234,746 uniq 232,040
the day isn't over yet I still have 5 hours to go.
this isn't counting my affiliate traffic or any other type of traffic.

as far has how many sales thats my biz
but you can always see how we convert to give you an idea

quiet · 11-22-2002, 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

Toe to toe?

I'd be a while gathering data..what do you want to prove? I make more than you? I'm cool and your not? I smart and your dumb?

i'll quote again:

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Step aside fool, you dont know who your fooling with. What stats would you like to trade? The ones that make you look like an ass?

Dont try me cool guy.....

'i'll be awhile gathering data' - too funny

quiet · 11-22-2002, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings
Just for kicks this will be the first and last time I post any type of our stats.

Just our search engine traffic for today
SE GRAND TOTAL TRAFFIC 11/22/02 Raw 234,746 uniq 232,040
the day isn't over yet I still have 5 hours to go.
this isn't counting my affiliate traffic or any other type of traffic.

as far has how many sales thats my biz
but you can always see how we convert to give you an idea

nice

Pete · 11-22-2002, 08:29 PM

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Just for kicks this will be the first and last time I post any type of our stats.

Just my search engine traffic for today
SE GRAND TOTAL TRAFFIC 11/22/02 Raw 234,746 uniq 232,040
the day isn't over yet I still have 5 hours to go.
this isn't counting my affiliate traffic or any other type of traffic.

as far has how many sales thats my biz
but you can always see how we convert to give you an idea

I can buy that much traffic for 1 million dollars...doesnt mean I'll make that much...

FlyingIguana · 11-22-2002, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

I can buy that much traffic for 1 million dollars...doesnt mean I'll make that much...

do you rag on everybody?

Pornkings · 11-22-2002, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

I can buy that much traffic for 1 million dollars...doesnt mean I'll make that much...

Pete · 11-22-2002, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings
Just for kicks this will be the first and last time I post any type of our stats.

Just our search engine traffic for today
SE GRAND TOTAL TRAFFIC 11/22/02 Raw 234,746 uniq 232,040
the day isn't over yet I still have 5 hours to go.
this isn't counting my affiliate traffic or any other type of traffic.

as far has how many sales thats my biz
but you can always see how we convert to give you an idea
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nice

Your pushing the buttons.....

quiet · 11-22-2002, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

Your pushing the buttons.....

if you're talking about me, roger and i have already had our run in. i'm not pushing anyone's buttons

BJ · 11-22-2002, 08:33 PM

Did someone forget their ritalin? There's an issue at hand... lets try to concentrate

Pornkings · 11-22-2002, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

I can buy that much traffic for 1 million dollars...doesnt mean I'll make that much...

So are you telling me if I buy your traffic I won't make any money?

Pornkings · 11-22-2002, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

if you're talking about me, roger and i have already had our run in. i'm not pushing anyone's buttons

I agree and its behind us now.
I'm just having fun now and spamming my sig. LOL

Bobo · 11-22-2002, 08:38 PM

How does NOT having affiliates save money?

I can understand hiring people to push your traffic, but why not let others push it also.

PLEASE tell me!

If the site is quality isn't it best that more people are aware of it?

p1mpdogg · 11-22-2002, 08:40 PM

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Pornkings · 11-22-2002, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by Bobo
How does NOT having affiliates save money?

I can understand hiring people to push your traffic, but why not let others push it also.

PLEASE tell me!

If the site is quality isn't it best that more people are aware of it?

Personally training people inhouse has always back fired on me.
they always end up taking what they have learned and doing it on there own.

everyone has there own formula for success

Pete · 11-22-2002, 08:42 PM

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if you're talking about me, roger and i have already had our run in. i'm not pushing anyone's buttons

I can show numbers. It'll just take me a while....

Pornkings · 11-22-2002, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by p1mpdogg
12/22/02:

RAW UNIQUE
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I am my best customer.

LMAO

Bobo · 11-22-2002, 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings

Personally training people inhouse has always back fired on me.
they always end up taking what they have learned and doing it on there own.

everyone has there own formula for success

Exactly what I'm getting. It's happend to me too! Again, I ask, why would it be worse to use affiliates?

More exposure of a good site will generate more sales no matter how you cut it. More people see something that's actually worth subscribing to, more will subscribe to it.

Where the fuck is my logic going wrong? Somebody PLEASE clarify this for me. It's important!

quiet · 11-22-2002, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by Pete

I can show numbers. It'll just take me a while....

booting up photoshop? j/k.

seems strange, as i (and anyone else i know) can produce stats in minutes.

Bobo · 11-22-2002, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings

Personally training people inhouse has always back fired on me.
they always end up taking what they have learned and doing it on there own.

everyone has there own formula for success

Lesson learned: Never teach a motherfucker everything you know about how the business runs. Once they know, all it takes is a little gumption to go try it on their own.

quiet · 11-22-2002, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by Bobo
How does NOT having affiliates save money?

I can understand hiring people to push your traffic, but why not let others push it also.

PLEASE tell me!

If the site is quality isn't it best that more people are aware of it?

like roger says, people accel at different things. i've found in house employees to work the best. i can leverage my content and expertise in their favor, and all traffic produced is mine. period.

i am very successful working this angle. it's given me an extremely high profit margin. if you wish to pursue the affiliate angle, that's great too.

if you're successful, who's to argue?

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