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xxxdesign-net · 03-15-2009, 03:44 PM

Merkel calls for unannounced raids on homes of registered gun owners to "ensure owners have their weapons and ammunition locked away" ....

Sounds reasonable...lol Next step, in a few years, gun confiscation.... Merkel says thank you gun registry

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BERLIN (AP) - Germany's chancellor called Sunday for greater government supervision of gun owners after a school shooting last week that killed 15 people.

The country's gun laws were already tightened after a 2002 school shooting in the eastern German city of Erfurt. But Angela Merkel said she favors further restrictions, such as unannounced visits by state authorities to ensure owners have their weapons and ammunition locked away.

"We must do everything to see to it that children do not get access to weapons," Merkel said in a radio interview.

Authorities say that Tim Kretschmer, the 17-year-old who went on a killing rampage at his former high school Wednesday, used one of his father's weapons to gun down his 15 victims.

The 9mm Beretta pistol was unsecured in his father's bedroom in violation of German law.

Also Sunday, hundreds of people in the small German town of Winnenden, where the school shooting took place, gathered for a church service to mourn the victims.

People continued to come to the school grounds to light candles or place flowers on a makeshift memorial that has grown by the day.

Kretschmer gunned down students and teachers at his former high school before fleeing on foot and by car, killing three more people, and eventually shooting himself in the head, police say.

Police say that during their investigation of Kretschmer's computer, they found horror films, violent video games and pornography featuring bondage. Some of the images showed naked, shackled women, police said.

Four days after the blood bath, investigators are trying to determine a motive in the case. They faced an early setback when they said Kretschmer had announced plans to attack the school hours beforehand on an Internet chat site. But they soon began to doubt the authenticity of the posting, and have not said whether the Internet posting was a hoax.

Most of Kretschmer's victims were female.

Of nine students killed, eight were girls, and all three teachers were women.

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J. Falcon · 03-15-2009, 08:24 PM

I say go get em

tony286 · 03-15-2009, 08:25 PM

they dont play.

_Richard_ · 03-15-2009, 08:47 PM

"Police say that during their investigation of Kretschmer's computer, they found horror films, violent video games and pornography featuring bondage. Some of the images showed naked, shackled women, police said."

AND he owns pink socks.. the bastard.

SBJ · 03-15-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SBR Richard

"Police say that during their investigation of Kretschmer's computer, they found horror films, violent video games and pornography featuring bondage. Some of the images showed naked, shackled women, police said."

AND he owns pink socks.. the bastard.

pink socks? NO WAY!! I hope the bastard gets the chair!

PurrrsianPussyKat · 03-15-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SBR Richard

"Police say that during their investigation of Kretschmer's computer, they found horror films, violent video games and pornography featuring bondage. Some of the images showed naked, shackled women, police said."

Ok.. Fair enough. But what medications was he on? Prozac? Ritalin? Etc.. notice that never ever gets any news play.

Mr Pheer · 03-15-2009, 11:50 PM

I hope the German people dont just stand by and let unannounced search warrants be served on their homes.

Surely they have more balls now than they did in the 30's.

JP-pornshooter · 03-16-2009, 12:43 PM

i would hate to be the police man going into a knowing armed mans house for a unannounced raid.. hopefully they are wearing bullet proof everything..

xxxdesign-net · 03-16-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I hope the German people dont just stand by and let unannounced search warrants be served on their homes.

Surely they have more balls now than they did in the 30's.

Exactly, gun confiscation happened in Germany in the 30's

DWB · 03-17-2009, 12:36 AM

You will be seeing this in many places in the world very soon I'm afraid. Then to step two which is to take them away. Any government with 1/2 a brain knows they must disarm their people before shit gets too bad and they take to the streets.

Dirty F · 03-17-2009, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SBR Richard

"Police say that during their investigation of Kretschmer's computer, they found horror films, violent video games and pornography featuring bondage. Some of the images showed naked, shackled women, police said."

AND he owns pink socks.. the bastard.

That is fucking horrible! That so explains the shooting.

Dirty F · 03-17-2009, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

You will be seeing this in many places in the world very soon I'm afraid. Then to step two which is to take them away. Any government with 1/2 a brain knows they must disarm their people before shit gets too bad and they take to the streets.

You are so fucking dumb its almost funny.

Maybe, just maybe it's proven over and over again civilians can't handle the freedom of having guns? Ever thought about that you dumb fuck? Just look at that shithole called the US. Its right there in the stats between all the 3rd world countries when it comes to gun crime.

Dirty F · 03-17-2009, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Exactly, gun confiscation happened in Germany in the 30's

You people are insane.

What are you saying? Germany is preparing for ww3?

Seriously, what are you trying to say?

sperbonzo · 03-17-2009, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

You people are insane.

What are you saying? Germany is preparing for ww3?

Seriously, what are you trying to say?

What they are trying to say is whenever governments want to take over total control they start by disarming a populace that may want to resist this take over.

Do YOU really trust governments to be the only ones with weapons in this world?

If so you must not know much history.

Good luck Germany.

MaDalton · 03-17-2009, 06:49 AM

the ignorance is strong in this thread...

- (legal) weapons are already registered in germany since years - as is every (legal) gun owner

- there are laws how to secure your weapons at home

- the father of that kid broke the law by not securing a handgun and 4600 bullets

- they suggest inspections to make sure that weapons are stored in secure places

isn't that what all the gun owners always claim? that it's the person and not the gun that kills? and that every responsible gun owner keeps his weapons out of reach of children?

it's obvious that not every gun owner is as responsible as we wish and therefore i think inspections are absolutely fine.

and everyone that believes that a handgun at home has any influence on a political system or that this could be the start to something like a 4th Reich and WW3 is (sorry) an idiot.

Fletch XXX · 03-17-2009, 06:51 AM

edit: nvrmind this is german news

Fletch XXX · 03-17-2009, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

What they are trying to say is whenever governments want to take over total control they start by disarming a populace that may want to resist this take over.

Do YOU really trust governments to be the only ones with weapons in this world?

If so you must not know much history.

I dont think DirtyF reads much of what he quotes or posts about to be honest. I visualize some pissed off drunk screaming at the screen everytime he posts lol he clearly didnt grasps what that was about...

pornguy · 03-17-2009, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

You will be seeing this in many places in the world very soon I'm afraid. Then to step two which is to take them away. Any government with 1/2 a brain knows they must disarm their people before shit gets too bad and they take to the streets.

Ha... That wont happen in the US without a battle in the streets..

When I lived in gainesville FL, we stopped by the neighbors one day. Went in, and they had 4 gun cabinets FILLED and had a Walk in safe in the floor with more.

Looked like a fucking gun store.

TRY taking their guns.

Fletch XXX · 03-17-2009, 06:59 AM

umm anyone who pays attn knows when americans take it to the streets we dont bring guns.

LA cops can barely contain mexican protests over drivers license let alone a pissed off population with weapons.

when 100,00 people hit the streets of AL you dont need weapons, the cops cant control it then, and not in the future, shit man cops down here can barely control the fights during Mardi gras, and like 9 people were shot during mardi gras this year alone LOL

if and when real civil unrest occurs, we dont need guns. In fact, I honestly believe most with guns will be shooting other americans and not taking part in the revolt. These gun enthusiats are often racists/paranoid, and if civil unrest occurs youll see them "we gotta take out the niggs" i fucking guarantee it. Anytime there has been martial law situation here in Louisiana, some innocent people get shot by gun toting "patriots."

Dirty F · 03-17-2009, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

What they are trying to say is whenever governments want to take over total control they start by disarming a populace that may want to resist this take over.

Do YOU really trust governments to be the only ones with weapons in this world?

If so you must not know much history.

Good luck Germany.

Like in Holland and the tons of other countries without guns you mean

You pro gun freaks are crazy. The theories you come up with just so you can defend legal guns are insane...

John-ACWM · 03-17-2009, 08:50 AM

That is the way of the world,tragedies happen in order to learn something and act and...do nothing

sperbonzo · 03-17-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Like in Holland and the tons of other countries without guns you mean

You pro gun freaks are crazy. The theories you come up with just so you can defend legal guns are insane...

I think that someday you will regret leaving all power in the hands of your government.... It will be too late then, of course.

Perhaps you've heard of Sarah Brady? She is the wife of James Brady, the press secretary to Reagan who was crippled in an assasination attempt on him.

She is at the head of the anti-gun movement in the US...

.... Here is a direct quote from her:

“Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”

xxxdesign-net · 03-17-2009, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F

You people are insane.

What are you saying? Germany is preparing for ww3?

Seriously, what are you trying to say?

what are YOU saying? lol Tyranny cannot happen anymore? Thats cooky? Must be a conspiracy theory? Smarten up and learn about history...

xxxdesign-net · 03-17-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I think that someday you will regret leaving all power in the hands of your government.... It will be too late then, of course.

Frank is the very defination of a sucker... thinks he knows it all, is barely informed and for the life of him couldnt possibly imagine powerful people wanting more control and power over a population... Nevermind if that has been a recurring theme over history... and is happening right now...

sortie · 03-17-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I hope the German people dont just stand by and let unannounced search warrants be served on their homes.

They won't.

That shit will spark a civil war in no time.

The raid will have the opposite effect as instead of having the guns locked
away in case of a raid they will take all guns out of lock to make sure they can
kill the fucking raiders.

Because the first raiders will be robbers who knock on the door and say police and then
laugh while people run to lock up all their guns like idiots.

JamesK · 03-17-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Do YOU really trust governments to be the only ones with weapons in this world?

Yeah, I do.

I trust the government more than a random whackjob that managed to get a license.

frank7799 · 03-17-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SBR Richard

"Police say that during their investigation of Kretschmer's computer, they found horror films, violent video games and pornography featuring bondage. Some of the images showed naked, shackled women, police said."

AND he owns pink socks.. the bastard.

They found the Bible as well in the house. I think that´s why he did it.

xxxdesign-net · 03-17-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

it's obvious that not every gun owner is as responsible as we wish and therefore i think inspections are absolutely fine.

Enjoy then! Maybe you should all ask for police to do unannounced raids on homes to see if theres any drugs inside... You gotta help the war on drugs!

Hawkeye · 03-17-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PurrrsianPussyKat

Ok.. Fair enough. But what medications was he on? Prozac? Ritalin? Etc.. notice that never ever gets any news play.

Also, he was Jewish and was taught that all shiksas are whores. Then he couldn't handle it when the shiksas rejected him and taunted him.

frank7799 · 03-17-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Enjoy then! Maybe you should all ask for police to do unannounced raids on homes to see if theres any drugs inside... You gotta help the war on drugs!

That´s he problem, exactly. You maybe enforce the laws by such inspections, but at the end of the day this is what leads into a totalitarian country.

UFGators2007 · 03-17-2009, 09:53 AM

Good luck with all that!

sperbonzo · 03-17-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

enjoy then! Maybe you should all ask for police to do unannounced raids on homes to see if theres any drugs inside... You gotta help the war on drugs!

exactly!!!

.

MaDalton · 03-17-2009, 10:04 AM

this thread makes me want to bang my head on the table. i will ignore it before i really start doing that

frank7799 · 03-17-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

this thread makes me want to bang my head on the table. i will ignore it before i really start doing that

Well, I feel you. But I really don´t want to get cops every now and then into my house for free coffee or so.

MaDalton · 03-17-2009, 10:11 AM

one final word (and a number): 2257 inspections

frank7799 · 03-17-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

one final word (and a number): 2257 inspections

The fact that those stupid 2257 inspections are alive doesn´t make those planned German inspections any better.

SykkBoy · 03-17-2009, 10:22 AM

No one ever wants to address the real issue with these school shootings: bullying

It's not like these kids who shoot up schools are happy-go-lucky types who just one day up and say "ya know, I think I'm going to kill a couple of my fellow classmates today". It's usually because they've been picked on and bullied so much that they feel this is their way to show their tormentors they have nothing left to lose...

sortie · 03-17-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

one final word (and a number): 2257 inspections

More words. Who the fuck keeps 2257 at their home?

And what if you sold the guns last month, do they arrest you for "lying" that
you don't own guns so you don't have to show them to the cops?

How do they find all the locked up guns?
Do they look under the bed, in the closet, unfold your clothes.
"like to hide guns in a sweater in a dresser."

How many dressers do you have.

Do they actually have to see guns stored in your combination safe and
ask for the combination or can you open it yourself and put them in danger
since you can easily pull out a gun and start shooting?
And is a combination protected privacy that no court can force out of your head?

Somebody said :
"Hey, all my unlocked guns are in the floor board at the front door.
I lift up the door mat and start shooting. Cops have never looked there".

Did things get out of hand during the serch and the home owner was injured.
Law suit for $50 million, a jury full of gun owners fixed that problem.

Raise taxes to pay for all the over time spent conducting and processing raids.
Build some more jails, we don't just let them go free right??

On and on and on and on.

Can you say "Can of fucking worms" that most modernized countries are smart enough
not to open?

Dirty F · 03-18-2009, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

what are YOU saying? lol Tyranny cannot happen anymore? Thats cooky? Must be a conspiracy theory? Smarten up and learn about history...

Stop changing things around retardboy

Lets look at the shithole countries where everyone walks around with a gun compared to first world countries like Holland where they don't.

Somehow i feel WAAAAAY safer knowing idiots like you don't all walk around with guns and only the military has guns.
I mean way safer.

Oh noes, ww3 is coming...and only countries where people have guns will not be involved...

You didn't go to school much did you? And if you did the only thing you read was about freedom of having guns and the bible right?

Dirty F · 03-18-2009, 07:06 AM

xxx-retardation is saying that because Tyranny is possible (true, we just had 8 years of Bush) every person from every country should have guns.

Yup, that would make a saver world.

Once again you idiots are insane...

Dirty F · 03-18-2009, 07:07 AM

What's it like to be on the IQ level of a 15 year old girl?

Libertine · 03-18-2009, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I think that someday you will regret leaving all power in the hands of your government.... It will be too late then, of course.

Perhaps you've heard of Sarah Brady? She is the wife of James Brady, the press secretary to Reagan who was crippled in an assasination attempt on him.

She is at the head of the anti-gun movement in the US...

.... Here is a direct quote from her:

?Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.?

Bullshit

http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/general/...iGunQuotes.htm

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xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	Merkel calls for unannounced raids on homes of registered gun owners ! Merkel calls for unannounced raids on homes of registered gun owners to "ensure owners have their weapons and ammunition locked away" .... Sounds reasonable...lol Next step, in a few years, gun confiscation.... Merkel says thank you gun registry --------- BERLIN (AP) - Germany's chancellor called Sunday for greater government supervision of gun owners after a school shooting last week that killed 15 people. The country's gun laws were already tightened after a 2002 school shooting in the eastern German city of Erfurt. But Angela Merkel said she favors further restrictions, such as unannounced visits by state authorities to ensure owners have their weapons and ammunition locked away. "We must do everything to see to it that children do not get access to weapons," Merkel said in a radio interview. Authorities say that Tim Kretschmer, the 17-year-old who went on a killing rampage at his former high school Wednesday, used one of his father's weapons to gun down his 15 victims. The 9mm Beretta pistol was unsecured in his father's bedroom in violation of German law. Also Sunday, hundreds of people in the small German town of Winnenden, where the school shooting took place, gathered for a church service to mourn the victims. People continued to come to the school grounds to light candles or place flowers on a makeshift memorial that has grown by the day. Kretschmer gunned down students and teachers at his former high school before fleeing on foot and by car, killing three more people, and eventually shooting himself in the head, police say. Police say that during their investigation of Kretschmer's computer, they found horror films, violent video games and pornography featuring bondage. Some of the images showed naked, shackled women, police said. Four days after the blood bath, investigators are trying to determine a motive in the case. They faced an early setback when they said Kretschmer had announced plans to attack the school hours beforehand on an Internet chat site. But they soon began to doubt the authenticity of the posting, and have not said whether the Internet posting was a hoax. Most of Kretschmer's victims were female. Of nine students killed, eight were girls, and all three teachers were women. http://wtop.com/?sid=1621444&nid=105

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MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,835	the ignorance is strong in this thread... - (legal) weapons are already registered in germany since years - as is every (legal) gun owner - there are laws how to secure your weapons at home - the father of that kid broke the law by not securing a handgun and 4600 bullets - they suggest inspections to make sure that weapons are stored in secure places isn't that what all the gun owners always claim? that it's the person and not the gun that kills? and that every responsible gun owner keeps his weapons out of reach of children? it's obvious that not every gun owner is as responsible as we wish and therefore i think inspections are absolutely fine. and everyone that believes that a handgun at home has any influence on a political system or that this could be the start to something like a 4th Reich and WW3 is (sorry) an idiot. __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

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Mr Pheer So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21,582	I hope the German people dont just stand by and let unannounced search warrants be served on their homes. Surely they have more balls now than they did in the 30's.

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	umm anyone who pays attn knows when americans take it to the streets we dont bring guns. LA cops can barely contain mexican protests over drivers license let alone a pissed off population with weapons. when 100,00 people hit the streets of AL you dont need weapons, the cops cant control it then, and not in the future, shit man cops down here can barely control the fights during Mardi gras, and like 9 people were shot during mardi gras this year alone LOL if and when real civil unrest occurs, we dont need guns. In fact, I honestly believe most with guns will be shooting other americans and not taking part in the revolt. These gun enthusiats are often racists/paranoid, and if civil unrest occurs youll see them "we gotta take out the niggs" i fucking guarantee it. Anytime there has been martial law situation here in Louisiana, some innocent people get shot by gun toting "patriots." __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me Last edited by Fletch XXX; 03-17-2009 at 07:04 AM..

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