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TheFLY · 11-19-2002, 10:08 AM

A wise webmaster told me that you should rank like this...

clicks they produced on your site (div) clicks you sent them
(watch for division by zero)

That sets up a ratio that in plan english is somethine like this...

"He who sends me back the most for the least effort gets to the top of my list..." The problem is that you aren't taking into consideration the productivity of your site as a whole... Your site should become more and more productive over time -- that means that links that don't pull should fall off your list. If you divide by clicks sent -- in effect that is a penalty system -- and you penalize sites for receiving good clicks... You want to send the most clicks out possible.

Another problem with that thinking is that lets say you send some little site 10 hits -- and he sends back 30 productivity. Now he's at the top of your list and the guy sending you 8000/day will not be able to compete in the ranking... I tend to think the larger trades deserve some kind of priority... So I came up with a simple scaling mechanism (I tried exponential scaling but it was too dramatic) so this seemed to work very well...

For a long time I traded like this...

(produced clicks x 2) - (clicks sent back)

This is a pretty good formula. The "minus" is of course a penalty. If you are sending too many clicks to a particular site (because of very catchy link text) -- they should me moved down slightly to keep that link from stealing clicks away from your other trades... In theory it's a good idea -- you will get slightly better traffic because usually links that get less clicks tend to be higher quality sites (ie: Softcore will get fewer clicks, but generally those trades are worth more $$$)... The (2x) is designed to have the penalty not affect the larger trades as much. The problem is that some sites that have shitty links end up getting too much priority and they clog you up and the productivity of your whole site generally falls -- that's why I think a penalty system is bad... Only think positive! ;)

Right now I'm experimenting with just ranking on productivity -- very simple... and it seems to be working very well... I'd say I've noticed maybe a 30% increase in traffic by removing the penalty system... But I'm still observing the results.

I know most of you are stuck with scripts that you bought -- and your trades can't really choose what links they want displayed on your site -- but I'm sure there's some room for intelligent discussion on trading methods here!

Pipecrew · 11-19-2002, 10:37 AM

Talk To MikeEP, I bet he has some views on this ;)

pr0 · 11-19-2002, 10:40 AM

I find the people that send me asian traffic, i load up my shell that happens to be on a major backbone & type in "ping -s 65000 -f domainname.com". Once their site has been down for a couple of hours i consider us even, delete their trade & move on to the next one.

Its a sure-fire method of doing business, fuck me, i'll fuck you 2x as bad. It all works out great.

Oh yes & i redirect all my hitbot traffic to thefly

Theo · 11-19-2002, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Pipecrew
Talk To MikeEP, I bet he has some views on this ;)

i think he has a phD on this :-)

TheFLY · 11-19-2002, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pr0
I find the people that send me asian traffic, i load up my shell that happens to be on a major backbone & type in "ping -s 65000 -f domainname.com". Once their site has been down for a couple of hours i consider us even, delete their trade & move on to the next one.

Its a sure-fire method of doing business, fuck me, i'll fuck you 2x as bad. It all works out great.

Oh yes & i redirect all my hitbot traffic to thefly

OzKaNoz · 11-19-2002, 11:33 AM

Productivity is the only way to go. I would rather have a trade that sends 100 productive hits then one that send 1000 un productive hits.

The 1000 hits don't do any good what so ever if they don't click on trades and galleries.
Remember raw in - clicks produced = productivity
In other words
a trade sends 1000 raw in
but only 100 click your trades
That's only 10% productivity

Now say you return 1000 hits to the same trade
500 click on the other sites trades
That's 50% productivity

Now you tell me who's getting the short end of the trade!

Productivity is what it's all about. Other wise your just having traffic slung at your site that has no value what so ever.
It will also make your site very un productive if you keep allowing these type of trades

Just my 2 cents but very true.

Oz

MikeEP · 11-19-2002, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by OzKaNoz
Productivity is the only way to go. I would rather have a trade that sends 100 productive hits then one that send 1000 un productive hits.

your crazy

Quote:

Productivity is what it's all about. Other wise your just having traffic slung at your site that has no value what so ever.

That comment is just to absurb.

TheFLY · 11-19-2002, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by OzKaNoz
Remember raw in - clicks produced = productivity

What script is that?

As far as I know, I invented productivity with a toplist based productivity script in November '98. At the time anyway I couldn't find anyone else that had thought of such a thing and I spent a lot of time explaining to people what the hell productivity was... It was the most obvious solution to trading with these new CJ sites at the time -- that were sending out insane amounts of junk blind traffic. I don't think the first CJ sites were doing any kind of productivity calculations. Pretty much everyone at that time that was not trading on a script yet was feeding the CJ sites... That may not make sense now -- but back then 500 hits was 500 hits, blind or not blind... Most sites had to check their server stats daily to reorganize their pages... If you had the money you could buy a toplist script from Dirty Jack I think his name was... Anyone still trading off daily server stats was getting screwed by CJ...

For me productivity has always been just the # of links that are clicked -- generated by particular referrer... tracked by an outstats type redirect script. I don't know how CJ people define productivity.

Rictor · 11-19-2002, 05:11 PM

I turn off my forces and let the script do the math for me. UCJ is good at this.

OzKaNoz · 11-19-2002, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MikeEP

That comment is just to absurb.

So why is it absurb? Please enlighten me.

My thinking is when a hit comes but doesn't click on any out going trades on my site why would it be of any value? They just bounce off and close my site.

I'm not sure what your saying.

Explain it to me.

bawdy · 11-19-2002, 07:38 PM

Ive been working a various ways of trading.... essentially ive being trying to determine a weighting for each trade that takes into account a few factors

uniques (uniques in - unique proxy in)
clicks
productivity
uniques out
size of trade (as percentage of total traffic)

incorporating the first four into the algorythm is pretty easy... but then weighting it according to the size of trade

so essentially u end up with something like

weighting = (productivity X ratio) + factor for size of trade

but this is mainly a for fun experiment at the moment and am not taking it too seriously...

Spunky · 11-19-2002, 08:00 PM

I can't find any productive trades out there,if you do hold on to them because they are rare!. I have a few sites thats send me 2 k or so and their overall productivity is like 30-40 %.Do I dump them and flounder and eventually die? There has to be some leeway , or else the site wont grow at all.Everybody has up's and downs,some days its great, some suck ass bigtime. Also I'm not a "Production, Production Production Webmaster that expects every trade to be like 1.50 %, and dump them after 2 days I will let the trade go where it can and hopefully will become more productive over time.
just my

pr0 · 11-19-2002, 08:06 PM

www.candidlinks.com sends 300-400% prod....hook up a link trade with me

11-19-2002, 10:08 AM	#1
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	The best way to rank traffic? A wise webmaster told me that you should rank like this... clicks they produced on your site (div) clicks you sent them (watch for division by zero) That sets up a ratio that in plan english is somethine like this... "He who sends me back the most for the least effort gets to the top of my list..." The problem is that you aren't taking into consideration the productivity of your site as a whole... Your site should become more and more productive over time -- that means that links that don't pull should fall off your list. If you divide by clicks sent -- in effect that is a penalty system -- and you penalize sites for receiving good clicks... You want to send the most clicks out possible. Another problem with that thinking is that lets say you send some little site 10 hits -- and he sends back 30 productivity. Now he's at the top of your list and the guy sending you 8000/day will not be able to compete in the ranking... I tend to think the larger trades deserve some kind of priority... So I came up with a simple scaling mechanism (I tried exponential scaling but it was too dramatic) so this seemed to work very well... For a long time I traded like this... (produced clicks x 2) - (clicks sent back) This is a pretty good formula. The "minus" is of course a penalty. If you are sending too many clicks to a particular site (because of very catchy link text) -- they should me moved down slightly to keep that link from stealing clicks away from your other trades... In theory it's a good idea -- you will get slightly better traffic because usually links that get less clicks tend to be higher quality sites (ie: Softcore will get fewer clicks, but generally those trades are worth more $$$)... The (2x) is designed to have the penalty not affect the larger trades as much. The problem is that some sites that have shitty links end up getting too much priority and they clog you up and the productivity of your whole site generally falls -- that's why I think a penalty system is bad... Only think positive! ;) Right now I'm experimenting with just ranking on productivity -- very simple... and it seems to be working very well... I'd say I've noticed maybe a 30% increase in traffic by removing the penalty system... But I'm still observing the results. I know most of you are stuck with scripts that you bought -- and your trades can't really choose what links they want displayed on your site -- but I'm sure there's some room for intelligent discussion on trading methods here!

11-19-2002, 10:40 AM	#3
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	I find the people that send me asian traffic, i load up my shell that happens to be on a major backbone & type in "ping -s 65000 -f domainname.com". Once their site has been down for a couple of hours i consider us even, delete their trade & move on to the next one. Its a sure-fire method of doing business, fuck me, i'll fuck you 2x as bad. It all works out great. Oh yes & i redirect all my hitbot traffic to thefly Last edited by pr0; 11-19-2002 at 10:44 AM..

11-19-2002, 11:33 AM	#6
OzKaNoz Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Deep With In Your Mind Posts: 1,834	Productivity is the only way to go. I would rather have a trade that sends 100 productive hits then one that send 1000 un productive hits. The 1000 hits don't do any good what so ever if they don't click on trades and galleries. Remember raw in - clicks produced = productivity In other words a trade sends 1000 raw in but only 100 click your trades That's only 10% productivity Now say you return 1000 hits to the same trade 500 click on the other sites trades That's 50% productivity Now you tell me who's getting the short end of the trade! Productivity is what it's all about. Other wise your just having traffic slung at your site that has no value what so ever. It will also make your site very un productive if you keep allowing these type of trades Just my 2 cents but very true. Oz __________________ Techie Media Web Hosting

11-19-2002, 08:00 PM	#12
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	I can't find any productive trades out there,if you do hold on to them because they are rare!. I have a few sites thats send me 2 k or so and their overall productivity is like 30-40 %.Do I dump them and flounder and eventually die? There has to be some leeway , or else the site wont grow at all.Everybody has up's and downs,some days its great, some suck ass bigtime. Also I'm not a "Production, Production Production Webmaster that expects every trade to be like 1.50 %, and dump them after 2 days I will let the trade go where it can and hopefully will become more productive over time. just my __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

11-19-2002, 10:37 AM	#2
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	Talk To MikeEP, I bet he has some views on this ;)

11-19-2002, 05:11 PM	#9
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	I turn off my forces and let the script do the math for me. UCJ is good at this.

11-19-2002, 07:38 PM	#11
bawdy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,424	Ive been working a various ways of trading.... essentially ive being trying to determine a weighting for each trade that takes into account a few factors uniques (uniques in - unique proxy in) clicks productivity uniques out size of trade (as percentage of total traffic) incorporating the first four into the algorythm is pretty easy... but then weighting it according to the size of trade so essentially u end up with something like weighting = (productivity X ratio) + factor for size of trade but this is mainly a for fun experiment at the moment and am not taking it too seriously...

11-19-2002, 08:06 PM	#13
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	www.candidlinks.com sends 300-400% prod....hook up a link trade with me