What is exclusive content worth? - GoFuckYourself.com

thatgirljudy · 02-26-2009, 07:39 PM

Regular stuff, solo girl, how much would you pay a model for a year's worth of content? Content would be 50 photosets, 50 ten minute videos, and 50 behind the scenes videos (basically a camcorder set up while the photos are being taken). Photography style are self-pics but with a digital slr so clear photos, just not fancy lighting, etc. Ignoring any niches, assuming it's just a regular solo girl, what do you think?

I've had an offer and I want to see if it is anywhere reasonable before I start to research this person determine if I'd like to work with them.

Thank you!

Barefootsies · 02-26-2009, 09:01 PM

There are many factors that go into price. Some will sell for a song, and look at multiple orders. Other prefer exclusive prices and deals which are increasingly hard to come by.

In the end it will come down to what they are willing to pay, and you are willing to sell for.

thatgirljudy · 02-26-2009, 09:51 PM

They already told me what they are willing to pay but I am inexperienced and don't know if they are totally taking advantage of that or not (note they approached me unsolicited). Hoping to hear some numerical replies

amateurcanada · 02-26-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thatgirljudy

Regular stuff, solo girl, how much would you pay a model for a year's worth of content? Content would be 50 photosets, 50 ten minute videos, and 50 behind the scenes videos (basically a camcorder set up while the photos are being taken). Photography style are self-pics but with a digital slr so clear photos, just not fancy lighting, etc. Ignoring any niches, assuming it's just a regular solo girl, what do you think?

I've had an offer and I want to see if it is anywhere reasonable before I start to research this person determine if I'd like to work with them.

Thank you!

I recommend to tell them to make you a reasonable offer. Let them spill the numbers and go from there.

Most talent is paid at a rate of 150-300 an hour, but this includes many variables. Its impossible to generalize.

YellowDude · 02-26-2009, 10:39 PM

Depends on your demands.... Tell me what you need.

Barefootsies · 02-26-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by amateurcanada

Most talent is paid at a rate of 150-300 an hour, but this includes many variables. Its impossible to generalize.

420 · 02-26-2009, 11:09 PM

Are resell rights included?

NaughtyRob · 02-26-2009, 11:19 PM

I would say at least $5K and no more than $15K unless you are fucking and sucking.

thatgirljudy · 02-27-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GetNaughty

I would say at least $5K and no more than $15K unless you are fucking and sucking.

Thank you, this is the type of answer I'm looking for.

They've already offered a figure, so I'm looking to see if it is reasonable or not

ExLust · 02-27-2009, 01:14 AM

Bump for you.

donnylong · 02-27-2009, 01:40 AM

at the lowest 15k

Loch · 02-27-2009, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 420

Are resell rights included?

Well if its exclusive how could it not include that lol

vidvicious · 02-27-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by thatgirljudy

Thank you, this is the type of answer I'm looking for.

They've already offered a figure, so I'm looking to see if it is reasonable or not

it really depends on the quality of the work, the area (country) in which is was prodcuced, types of loactions/sets, wardrobe ..etc and lastly the sell-a-bility of the model or models...

some samples would help too.

if you have any questions or would like to model for me ..please do hit me up .. info in my sig

AaronM · 02-27-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by amateurcanada

Most talent is paid at a rate of 150-300 an hour......

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Originally Posted by GetNaughty

I would say at least $5K and no more than $15K unless you are fucking and sucking.

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Originally Posted by donnylong

at the lowest 15k

Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit.

3 VERY wrong answers.

We are talking about how much the TALENT should be paid. The AVERAGE exclusive solo photo set costs $200.00 or less. Same for video. The behind the scenes thing costs nothing to produce since you are already hiring the model for the actual shoots. No idea what you would charge somebody to shoot that...In fact, I would probably not charge much for it at all. MAYBE 10 or 20 bucks per video? Either way that number is insignificant so I will leave it out of the equation.

Anyway...Lets run the numbers......

50 photo + 50 video = 100 total. Knowing that the AVERAGE solo whatever sells for $200 or less, usually less...100 x 200 = $20,000.00.

Lets not forget that this is also a bulk deal. Typically when people buy in bulk they will get a price break. That means the 20k figure is probably closer to 16-18k. Site's like Karups, ATK, and Nubiles pay between $120.00 and $170.00 per photo set. Multiply that our and you get $12,000.00 to $17,000.00 without a bulk price break.

Two of you think the model will earn $15k of that...Or even of $20k?

Now lets break down the time involved.....

Clearly this kind of order would not be for Dean Capture kind of Glamour so lets pretend that the photographer can shoot 3 photo sets or 3 videos each hour.

Take your total of 100 and divide that by 3 to figure an average of hours the project will take. 33.3 Now take the $150 per hour number and multiply that by 33.3 and you get $4995.00. Double that to the $300 rate and you get $9,990.00 which is COMPLETE bullshit too.

Once again I will remind you that this is a bulk deal. Just like the producer would be charging a little less, the model would be getting paid a little less but would have a guarantee of X number of days of work.

Typically you would book a daily rate for a project like this. Knowing it can be done in 33.3 hours, you then need to decide how many days you want to break that up over. 33.3 divided by 5 would be 6.66 hours per day. However, that does not account for any hair, makeup, breaks, or anything else that eats away at your time, let alone your budget.

So, lets call it a 6 to 7 day production. A fast shooter can do it in 6 EASY. 33.3 divided by 6 = 5.55 hours of production each day. In today's economy the AVERAGE model will gladly accept $500.00 as a daily rate for a 5.5 hour day of solo work.

$500.00 X 6 days = $3000.00

Where the hell you guys get 15k from is beyond me. Even if you are a complete moron and you pay the models a day rate of $1000.00 per day, the total is still less than half of 15k....Even at 7 days instead of 6.

Chipping away at the budget even more: Is the model local or will I have to pay for her to fly to me? Am I providing her with a place to stay and meals as well? What about time and ground transportation? Did she show up looking nice or do I need to send her in for a manicure, pedicure, or facial? Did she bring enough clothes for 6 days of shoots? Most girls don't own enough for 1 or 2 days worth....So I guess we're going shopping for wardrobe now too.

No wonder so many content providers spam their shit on GFY so often. If I billed 20k for a week of work then had to pay out 15k to the model PLUS my overhead such as hair/makeup, photo assistant, and location/studio costs etc...I would be broker than AlienQ. And don't try to tell me that you would be billing over 20k for that kind of solo order.

Models don't make 50% of what the producer makes but let's pretend for a moment that they do.

$15k X 2 = $30k. 30K divided by 100 = $300.00 PER SOLO PHOTO / VIDEO? Find me a client that is willing to pay that and I will cut you in for a nice percentage.

tranza · 02-27-2009, 10:12 AM

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Iron Fist · 02-27-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit.

3 VERY wrong answers.

We are talking about how much the TALENT should be paid. The AVERAGE exclusive solo photo set costs $200.00 or less. Same for video. The behind the scenes thing costs nothing to produce since you are already hiring the model for the actual shoots. No idea what you would charge somebody to shoot that...In fact, I would probably not charge much for it at all. MAYBE 10 or 20 bucks per video? Either way that number is insignificant so I will leave it out of the equation.

Anyway...Lets run the numbers......

50 photo + 50 video = 100 total. Knowing that the AVERAGE solo whatever sells for $200 or less, usually less...100 x 200 = $20,000.00.

Lets not forget that this is also a bulk deal. Typically when people buy in bulk they will get a price break. That means the 20k figure is probably closer to 16-18k. Site's like Karups, ATK, and Nubiles pay between $120.00 and $170.00 per photo set. Multiply that our and you get $12,000.00 to $17,000.00 without a bulk price break.

Two of you think the model will earn $15k of that...Or even of $20k?

Now lets break down the time involved.....

Clearly this kind of order would not be for Dean Capture kind of Glamour so lets pretend that the photographer can shoot 3 photo sets or 3 videos each hour.

Take your total of 100 and divide that by 3 to figure an average of hours the project will take. 33.3 Now take the $150 per hour number and multiply that by 33.3 and you get $4995.00. Double that to the $300 rate and you get $9,990.00 which is COMPLETE bullshit too.

Once again I will remind you that this is a bulk deal. Just like the producer would be charging a little less, the model would be getting paid a little less but would have a guarantee of X number of days of work.

Typically you would book a daily rate for a project like this. Knowing it can be done in 33.3 hours, you then need to decide how many days you want to break that up over. 33.3 divided by 5 would be 6.66 hours per day. However, that does not account for any hair, makeup, breaks, or anything else that eats away at your time, let alone your budget.

So, lets call it a 6 to 7 day production. A fast shooter can do it in 6 EASY. 33.3 divided by 6 = 5.55 hours of production each day. In today's economy the AVERAGE model will gladly accept $500.00 as a daily rate for a 5.5 hour day of solo work.

$500.00 X 6 days = $3000.00

Where the hell you guys get 15k from is beyond me. Even if you are a complete moron and you pay the models a day rate of $1000.00 per day, the total is still less than half of 15k....Even at 7 days instead of 6.

Chipping away at the budget even more: Is the model local or will I have to pay for her to fly to me? Am I providing her with a place to stay and meals as well? What about time and ground transportation? Did she show up looking nice or do I need to send her in for a manicure, pedicure, or facial? Did she bring enough clothes for 6 days of shoots? Most girls don't own enough for 1 or 2 days worth....So I guess we're going shopping for wardrobe now too.

No wonder so many content providers spam their shit on GFY so often. If I billed 20k for a week of work then had to pay out 15k to the model PLUS my overhead such as hair/makeup, photo assistant, and location/studio costs etc...I would be broker than AlienQ. And don't try to tell me that you would be billing over 20k for that kind of solo order.

Models don't make 50% of what the producer makes but let's pretend for a moment that they do.

$15k X 2 = $30k. 30K divided by 100 = $300.00 PER SOLO PHOTO / VIDEO? Find me a client that is willing to pay that and I will cut you in for a nice percentage.

Either this post is so full of shit that i'm hoodwinked or you just became my new god.

AaronM · 02-27-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

Either this post is so full of shit that i'm hoodwinked or you just became my new god.

Well, I think you and I both know the post is not full of shit so let's discuss how you intend to worship me.

Barefootsies · 02-27-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Well, I think you and I both know the post is not full of shit so let's discuss how you intend to worship me.

Salad tossing your cornhole should be involved.

Nice, realistic, break down btw.

AaronM · 02-27-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by thatgirljudy

Photography style are self-pics but with a digital slr so clear photos, just not fancy lighting, etc...

I overlooked that part.

Even less than 3k. Self shot poorly lit amateur content doesn't warrant a day rate of $500.00 nor will it usually sell for the same rate as well lit professionally shot stuff.

AaronM · 02-27-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Salad tossing your cornhole should be involved.

Nice, realistic, break down btw.

SWEET!

I'm game.

Thank you.

thatgirljudy · 02-27-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit.

3 VERY wrong answers.

We are talking about how much the TALENT should be paid. The AVERAGE exclusive solo photo set costs $200.00 or less. Same for video. The behind the scenes thing costs nothing to produce since you are already hiring the model for the actual shoots. No idea what you would charge somebody to shoot that...In fact, I would probably not charge much for it at all. MAYBE 10 or 20 bucks per video? Either way that number is insignificant so I will leave it out of the equation.

Anyway...Lets run the numbers......

50 photo + 50 video = 100 total. Knowing that the AVERAGE solo whatever sells for $200 or less, usually less...100 x 200 = $20,000.00.

Lets not forget that this is also a bulk deal. Typically when people buy in bulk they will get a price break. That means the 20k figure is probably closer to 16-18k. Site's like Karups, ATK, and Nubiles pay between $120.00 and $170.00 per photo set. Multiply that our and you get $12,000.00 to $17,000.00 without a bulk price break.

Two of you think the model will earn $15k of that...Or even of $20k?

Now lets break down the time involved.....

Clearly this kind of order would not be for Dean Capture kind of Glamour so lets pretend that the photographer can shoot 3 photo sets or 3 videos each hour.

Take your total of 100 and divide that by 3 to figure an average of hours the project will take. 33.3 Now take the $150 per hour number and multiply that by 33.3 and you get $4995.00. Double that to the $300 rate and you get $9,990.00 which is COMPLETE bullshit too.

Once again I will remind you that this is a bulk deal. Just like the producer would be charging a little less, the model would be getting paid a little less but would have a guarantee of X number of days of work.

Typically you would book a daily rate for a project like this. Knowing it can be done in 33.3 hours, you then need to decide how many days you want to break that up over. 33.3 divided by 5 would be 6.66 hours per day. However, that does not account for any hair, makeup, breaks, or anything else that eats away at your time, let alone your budget.

So, lets call it a 6 to 7 day production. A fast shooter can do it in 6 EASY. 33.3 divided by 6 = 5.55 hours of production each day. In today's economy the AVERAGE model will gladly accept $500.00 as a daily rate for a 5.5 hour day of solo work.

$500.00 X 6 days = $3000.00

Where the hell you guys get 15k from is beyond me. Even if you are a complete moron and you pay the models a day rate of $1000.00 per day, the total is still less than half of 15k....Even at 7 days instead of 6.

Chipping away at the budget even more: Is the model local or will I have to pay for her to fly to me? Am I providing her with a place to stay and meals as well? What about time and ground transportation? Did she show up looking nice or do I need to send her in for a manicure, pedicure, or facial? Did she bring enough clothes for 6 days of shoots? Most girls don't own enough for 1 or 2 days worth....So I guess we're going shopping for wardrobe now too.

No wonder so many content providers spam their shit on GFY so often. If I billed 20k for a week of work then had to pay out 15k to the model PLUS my overhead such as hair/makeup, photo assistant, and location/studio costs etc...I would be broker than AlienQ. And don't try to tell me that you would be billing over 20k for that kind of solo order.

Models don't make 50% of what the producer makes but let's pretend for a moment that they do.

$15k X 2 = $30k. 30K divided by 100 = $300.00 PER SOLO PHOTO / VIDEO? Find me a client that is willing to pay that and I will cut you in for a nice percentage.

Hey, this was fantastic, thank you very very much

thatgirljudy · 02-27-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I overlooked that part.

Even less than 3k. Self shot poorly lit amateur content doesn't warrant a day rate of $500.00 nor will it usually sell for the same rate as well lit professionally shot stuff.

Only question about this...how can the total content be worth less than 3K? Obviously it will be worth less than content produced by a photographer in a studio, no arguments there at all, but you are saying that the total value of amateur self-shot content is worth less than the model's fee in professionally shot content?

You say that content package, shot by a professional, is worth $12k-$17k (with a bulk rate discount) but if ALL that content is self shot it's only worth $2.5k? Does it really sell that much worse to be worth only 25%?

pornguy · 02-27-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Well, I think you and I both know the post is not full of shit so let's discuss how you intend to worship me.

I forget the name of the movie where the doctor makes a speach and then finishes with " I am God "..

You blew a perfect line..

But great response.

AaronM · 02-27-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by thatgirljudy

Only question about this...how can the total content be worth less than 3K? Obviously it will be worth less than content produced by a photographer in a studio, no arguments there at all, but you are saying that the total value of amateur self-shot content is worth less than the model's fee in professionally shot content?

You say that content package, shot by a professional, is worth $12k-$17k (with a bulk rate discount) but if ALL that content is self shot it's only worth $2.5k? Does it really sell that much worse to be worth only 25%?

Honestly, it really depends on the client. Most people in this business understand overhead and profit margins for producers. When it comes to self shot content, all of that goes out the window and the clients usually know this. If the overhead is lower then they may expect the cost to be lower as well.

Although I am a producer, I also hire models to do self shot stuff though not as large of a package as you are referring to. That being said, at the current rate that I pay models to do self shot stuff, the total for a package like the one you mention would be around $2,500.00. Again, not accounting for price fluctuation based on bulk.

Yes, you will find people that will pay considerably more than that but I can't imagine they would offer anywhere near the suggested $15k.

"Does it really sell that much worse to be worth only 25%"

Well...Yes, it does. But it does seem to be growing in popularity so supply and demand could significantly impact that. This is EXACTLY why I have been stock piling this sort of content over the last year or so. I highly doubt my cost on it will go down but it could certainly go up.

The other thing to consider is the time to produce it. Time costs money. It takes A LOT less time for you to shoot a package like that then it would take a producer. You could bang something like that out in half the time if you wanted to. IMHO, $2.5k for 3 days of self shot solo content is not a bad paycheck. I know cam girls who spend a lot more time than that online each week to pull in less.

AaronM · 02-27-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

I forget the name of the movie where the doctor makes a speach and then finishes with " I am God "..

You blew a perfect line..

But great response.

I thought about it before I posted and figured that was more of a SleazyDream sort of reply.

CIVMatt · 02-27-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit.

3 VERY wrong answers.

We are talking about how much the TALENT should be paid. The AVERAGE exclusive solo photo set costs $200.00 or less. Same for video. The behind the scenes thing costs nothing to produce since you are already hiring the model for the actual shoots. No idea what you would charge somebody to shoot that...In fact, I would probably not charge much for it at all. MAYBE 10 or 20 bucks per video? Either way that number is insignificant so I will leave it out of the equation.

Anyway...Lets run the numbers......

50 photo + 50 video = 100 total. Knowing that the AVERAGE solo whatever sells for $200 or less, usually less...100 x 200 = $20,000.00.

Lets not forget that this is also a bulk deal. Typically when people buy in bulk they will get a price break. That means the 20k figure is probably closer to 16-18k. Site's like Karups, ATK, and Nubiles pay between $120.00 and $170.00 per photo set. Multiply that our and you get $12,000.00 to $17,000.00 without a bulk price break.

Two of you think the model will earn $15k of that...Or even of $20k?

Now lets break down the time involved.....

Clearly this kind of order would not be for Dean Capture kind of Glamour so lets pretend that the photographer can shoot 3 photo sets or 3 videos each hour.

Take your total of 100 and divide that by 3 to figure an average of hours the project will take. 33.3 Now take the $150 per hour number and multiply that by 33.3 and you get $4995.00. Double that to the $300 rate and you get $9,990.00 which is COMPLETE bullshit too.

Once again I will remind you that this is a bulk deal. Just like the producer would be charging a little less, the model would be getting paid a little less but would have a guarantee of X number of days of work.

Typically you would book a daily rate for a project like this. Knowing it can be done in 33.3 hours, you then need to decide how many days you want to break that up over. 33.3 divided by 5 would be 6.66 hours per day. However, that does not account for any hair, makeup, breaks, or anything else that eats away at your time, let alone your budget.

So, lets call it a 6 to 7 day production. A fast shooter can do it in 6 EASY. 33.3 divided by 6 = 5.55 hours of production each day. In today's economy the AVERAGE model will gladly accept $500.00 as a daily rate for a 5.5 hour day of solo work.

$500.00 X 6 days = $3000.00

Where the hell you guys get 15k from is beyond me. Even if you are a complete moron and you pay the models a day rate of $1000.00 per day, the total is still less than half of 15k....Even at 7 days instead of 6.

Chipping away at the budget even more: Is the model local or will I have to pay for her to fly to me? Am I providing her with a place to stay and meals as well? What about time and ground transportation? Did she show up looking nice or do I need to send her in for a manicure, pedicure, or facial? Did she bring enough clothes for 6 days of shoots? Most girls don't own enough for 1 or 2 days worth....So I guess we're going shopping for wardrobe now too.

No wonder so many content providers spam their shit on GFY so often. If I billed 20k for a week of work then had to pay out 15k to the model PLUS my overhead such as hair/makeup, photo assistant, and location/studio costs etc...I would be broker than AlienQ. And don't try to tell me that you would be billing over 20k for that kind of solo order.

Models don't make 50% of what the producer makes but let's pretend for a moment that they do.

$15k X 2 = $30k. 30K divided by 100 = $300.00 PER SOLO PHOTO / VIDEO? Find me a client that is willing to pay that and I will cut you in for a nice percentage.

sooooooo ....42?

Jay-Rock · 02-27-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit.

3 VERY wrong answers.

We are talking about how much the TALENT should be paid. The AVERAGE exclusive solo photo set costs $200.00 or less. Same for video. The behind the scenes thing costs nothing to produce since you are already hiring the model for the actual shoots. No idea what you would charge somebody to shoot that...In fact, I would probably not charge much for it at all. MAYBE 10 or 20 bucks per video? Either way that number is insignificant so I will leave it out of the equation.

Anyway...Lets run the numbers......

50 photo + 50 video = 100 total. Knowing that the AVERAGE solo whatever sells for $200 or less, usually less...100 x 200 = $20,000.00.

Lets not forget that this is also a bulk deal. Typically when people buy in bulk they will get a price break. That means the 20k figure is probably closer to 16-18k. Site's like Karups, ATK, and Nubiles pay between $120.00 and $170.00 per photo set. Multiply that our and you get $12,000.00 to $17,000.00 without a bulk price break.

Two of you think the model will earn $15k of that...Or even of $20k?

Now lets break down the time involved.....

Clearly this kind of order would not be for Dean Capture kind of Glamour so lets pretend that the photographer can shoot 3 photo sets or 3 videos each hour.

Take your total of 100 and divide that by 3 to figure an average of hours the project will take. 33.3 Now take the $150 per hour number and multiply that by 33.3 and you get $4995.00. Double that to the $300 rate and you get $9,990.00 which is COMPLETE bullshit too.

Once again I will remind you that this is a bulk deal. Just like the producer would be charging a little less, the model would be getting paid a little less but would have a guarantee of X number of days of work.

Typically you would book a daily rate for a project like this. Knowing it can be done in 33.3 hours, you then need to decide how many days you want to break that up over. 33.3 divided by 5 would be 6.66 hours per day. However, that does not account for any hair, makeup, breaks, or anything else that eats away at your time, let alone your budget.

So, lets call it a 6 to 7 day production. A fast shooter can do it in 6 EASY. 33.3 divided by 6 = 5.55 hours of production each day. In today's economy the AVERAGE model will gladly accept $500.00 as a daily rate for a 5.5 hour day of solo work.

$500.00 X 6 days = $3000.00

Where the hell you guys get 15k from is beyond me. Even if you are a complete moron and you pay the models a day rate of $1000.00 per day, the total is still less than half of 15k....Even at 7 days instead of 6.

Chipping away at the budget even more: Is the model local or will I have to pay for her to fly to me? Am I providing her with a place to stay and meals as well? What about time and ground transportation? Did she show up looking nice or do I need to send her in for a manicure, pedicure, or facial? Did she bring enough clothes for 6 days of shoots? Most girls don't own enough for 1 or 2 days worth....So I guess we're going shopping for wardrobe now too.

No wonder so many content providers spam their shit on GFY so often. If I billed 20k for a week of work then had to pay out 15k to the model PLUS my overhead such as hair/makeup, photo assistant, and location/studio costs etc...I would be broker than AlienQ. And don't try to tell me that you would be billing over 20k for that kind of solo order.

Models don't make 50% of what the producer makes but let's pretend for a moment that they do.

$15k X 2 = $30k. 30K divided by 100 = $300.00 PER SOLO PHOTO / VIDEO? Find me a client that is willing to pay that and I will cut you in for a nice percentage.

$100 per set is what I have paid models the past. Add the shitty economy and cut that down to $75-$80 per set to the model.

With the current economy I wouldn't offer more than $500 a day if she isn't taking cocks.

On the other hand I wouldn't pay a solo model shit right now since I have models that trust me enough to partner with me and shoot for free. No need to take risks on new solo models right now when I have a girl that is DTF on her site and shoots for a percentage of the site.

Jay-Rock · 02-27-2009, 01:31 PM

DTF - down to fuck.

alias · 02-27-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CIVMatt

sooooooo ....42?

42 is [almost] always the answer.

Ava Knight · 02-27-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

$100 per set is what I have paid models the past. Add the shitty economy and cut that down to $75-$80 per set to the model.

With the current economy I wouldn't offer more than $500 a day if she isn't taking cocks.

On the other hand I wouldn't pay a solo model shit right now since I have models that trust me enough to partner with me and shoot for free. No need to take risks on new solo models right now when I have a girl that is DTF on her site and shoots for a percentage of the site.

Unless I'm reading the thread wrong, I think what she's asking is What you would sell 50 vids + 50 photo sets for? She's asking as a producer, but also happens to be the model.

AaronM · 02-27-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

DTF - down to fuck.

Thank you Johan Hill.

Jay-Rock · 02-27-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ava Knight

Unless I'm reading the thread wrong, I think what she's asking is What you would sell 50 vids + 50 photo sets for? She's asking as a producer, but also happens to be the model.

OK i can't expect everyone to be good at math.

$100 per set is what I have paid models the past. Add the shitty economy and cut that down to $75-$80 per set to the model.

$7500 to $8000 for 100 sets. In the past we paid 10k for 100 sets when the economy was better.

AaronM · 02-27-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ava Knight

Unless I'm reading the thread wrong, I think what she's asking is What you would sell 50 vids + 50 photo sets for? She's asking as a producer, but also happens to be the model.

Yes, that's exactly how this sounds:

"Regular stuff, solo girl, how much would you PAY A MODEL for a year's worth of content?"

PAR · 02-27-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit.

3 VERY wrong answers.

We are talking about how much the TALENT should be paid. The AVERAGE exclusive solo photo set costs $200.00 or less. Same for video. The behind the scenes thing costs nothing to produce since you are already hiring the model for the actual shoots. No idea what you would charge somebody to shoot that...In fact, I would probably not charge much for it at all. MAYBE 10 or 20 bucks per video? Either way that number is insignificant so I will leave it out of the equation.

Anyway...Lets run the numbers......

50 photo + 50 video = 100 total. Knowing that the AVERAGE solo whatever sells for $200 or less, usually less...100 x 200 = $20,000.00.

Lets not forget that this is also a bulk deal. Typically when people buy in bulk they will get a price break. That means the 20k figure is probably closer to 16-18k. Site's like Karups, ATK, and Nubiles pay between $120.00 and $170.00 per photo set. Multiply that our and you get $12,000.00 to $17,000.00 without a bulk price break.

Two of you think the model will earn $15k of that...Or even of $20k?

Now lets break down the time involved.....

Clearly this kind of order would not be for Dean Capture kind of Glamour so lets pretend that the photographer can shoot 3 photo sets or 3 videos each hour.

Take your total of 100 and divide that by 3 to figure an average of hours the project will take. 33.3 Now take the $150 per hour number and multiply that by 33.3 and you get $4995.00. Double that to the $300 rate and you get $9,990.00 which is COMPLETE bullshit too.

Once again I will remind you that this is a bulk deal. Just like the producer would be charging a little less, the model would be getting paid a little less but would have a guarantee of X number of days of work.

Typically you would book a daily rate for a project like this. Knowing it can be done in 33.3 hours, you then need to decide how many days you want to break that up over. 33.3 divided by 5 would be 6.66 hours per day. However, that does not account for any hair, makeup, breaks, or anything else that eats away at your time, let alone your budget.

So, lets call it a 6 to 7 day production. A fast shooter can do it in 6 EASY. 33.3 divided by 6 = 5.55 hours of production each day. In today's economy the AVERAGE model will gladly accept $500.00 as a daily rate for a 5.5 hour day of solo work.

$500.00 X 6 days = $3000.00

Where the hell you guys get 15k from is beyond me. Even if you are a complete moron and you pay the models a day rate of $1000.00 per day, the total is still less than half of 15k....Even at 7 days instead of 6.

Chipping away at the budget even more: Is the model local or will I have to pay for her to fly to me? Am I providing her with a place to stay and meals as well? What about time and ground transportation? Did she show up looking nice or do I need to send her in for a manicure, pedicure, or facial? Did she bring enough clothes for 6 days of shoots? Most girls don't own enough for 1 or 2 days worth....So I guess we're going shopping for wardrobe now too.

No wonder so many content providers spam their shit on GFY so often. If I billed 20k for a week of work then had to pay out 15k to the model PLUS my overhead such as hair/makeup, photo assistant, and location/studio costs etc...I would be broker than AlienQ. And don't try to tell me that you would be billing over 20k for that kind of solo order.

Models don't make 50% of what the producer makes but let's pretend for a moment that they do.

$15k X 2 = $30k. 30K divided by 100 = $300.00 PER SOLO PHOTO / VIDEO? Find me a client that is willing to pay that and I will cut you in for a nice percentage.

great reply..
Not sure who pays by the hour..
Most things I have bought in the past have been on a per scene base or set base...

Ava Knight · 02-27-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

OK i can't expect everyone to be good at math.

$100 per set is what I have paid models the past. Add the shitty economy and cut that down to $75-$80 per set to the model.

$7500 to $8000 for 100 sets. In the past we paid 10k for 100 sets when the economy was better.

You pay the models $75-80 for amateur self-shot content? I'm just curious.

I'm not being bad at math, I'm just seeing a lot of replies in the vein of how much a producer would pay the model, intending to resell it. The way I see it, she worked for free, and is now just a producer with a bunch of content.

Jay-Rock · 02-27-2009, 01:48 PM

We are talking about a bulk deal here. Look at it this way if a girl is good and the photographer is fast they can shoot 7-10 sets a day its pretty good payday for a girl that just does solo. If she is taking cocks of course it would be more.

Ava Knight · 02-27-2009, 02:05 PM

I guess my biggest issue is whether she's trying to sell to a producer, who would pay more and resell it, or to someone who's trying to use it as content

Unless I'm very mistaken, and I could be because I only shoot for my site, producers sell sets at a price that is lower than what they paid the model, because they can sell it more than once. I see in some of the bulk deals here that the average set rate is something like $10-50, depending on quality, exclusivity, and demand.

I'm only trying to clarify what exactly she's trying to do because she is, no offense Judy, completely new to the industry. I don't want her to get good advice on the wrong situation

Also feel free to tell me I'm totally wrong about the economics of producing/selling content, because I really don't hang out with producers that often, but am curious about how it works.

SoloGirlsContent · 02-27-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong

at the lowest 15k

not in this market

sologirl stuff...take the 5k and a percentage of the site...ur just fucking yourself..something you do for free anyway

thatgirljudy · 02-27-2009, 02:28 PM

Ava, your questions are good, don't worry, I am new and I want to hear everything

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Honestly, it really depends on the client. Most people in this business understand overhead and profit margins for producers. When it comes to self shot content, all of that goes out the window and the clients usually know this. If the overhead is lower then they may expect the cost to be lower as well.

Although I am a producer, I also hire models to do self shot stuff though not as large of a package as you are referring to. That being said, at the current rate that I pay models to do self shot stuff, the total for a package like the one you mention would be around $2,500.00. Again, not accounting for price fluctuation based on bulk.

Yes, you will find people that will pay considerably more than that but I can't imagine they would offer anywhere near the suggested $15k.

"Does it really sell that much worse to be worth only 25%"

Well...Yes, it does. But it does seem to be growing in popularity so supply and demand could significantly impact that. This is EXACTLY why I have been stock piling this sort of content over the last year or so. I highly doubt my cost on it will go down but it could certainly go up.

The other thing to consider is the time to produce it. Time costs money. It takes A LOT less time for you to shoot a package like that then it would take a producer. You could bang something like that out in half the time if you wanted to. IMHO, $2.5k for 3 days of self shot solo content is not a bad paycheck. I know cam girls who spend a lot more time than that online each week to pull in less.

Thanks for answering. I didn't realize this type of content was worth so much less. I really appreciate the info on both styles (photographer paying model and model producing), as well as the prices you gave for day rates, set rates, etc. Gives me a good foundation.

I just wanted to say though that I don't think it takes way less time, in fact it takes more. It takes a LOT of time to do these shoots and they are much more tiring than working with a photographer. You have noone directing you and you have to come up with everything, every idea yourself. Plus unless you want the remote in the photo you can't just take picture after picture. You have to use the continuous mode, snap it with the remote, hide the remote, then do poses for a couple photos and start over. Or, if you don't have a remote you have to get up over and over to get the camera going. It actually takes much longer to get 50 usable photos than with a photographer who can snap without stopping.

Maybe if you are counting set up time etc of the photographer I could agree that doing one set is quicker for the girl doing it on her own but as far as 8 hours of shooting goes once his assistants are there and everything is ready to go, I think the photographer can get twice as much content than the self-shot girl.

Not to say that should influence the cost, as that has nothing to do with how well it will or will not sell, just wanted to comment though because I've done both (worked with photographers and worked on my own) and it is NOT easier to do it myself. Maybe for one set, but there is no way I could do 50 sets in 3 days on my own, or even a week.

dready · 02-27-2009, 02:52 PM

I'd guess roughly $15k for the content if the quality is high.

JP-pornshooter · 02-27-2009, 03:47 PM

why are all the content shooters in here? they have no clue how much exclusive self content is worth.. they can just say how much they would charge for shooting it.

since it is selfshot it belongs out side the normal niche of "amateur" content.

i am surprised all the content brokers are not in here making offers...

btw, this thread needs photos.

LeRoy · 02-27-2009, 03:57 PM

When I was working with a content provider. He would work the girls from 80-300 per shoot.

His shoots would be solo masturbation scene, handjob scene and a blowjob scene.

He really worked it.

Then I worked with some girls here in LA and they wanted 800.00 for each shoot.

So it varies who you are and how you work it. Just my .02

AaronM · 02-27-2009, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

why are all the content shooters in here? they have no clue how much exclusive self content is worth.. they can just say how much they would charge for shooting it.

since it is selfshot it belongs out side the normal niche of "amateur" content.

i am surprised all the content brokers are not in here making offers...

btw, this thread needs photos.

The only content broker to post here told her 15k. Shows what they know.

As for me posting here, like I said, I have been stock piling self shot solo content for about a year. I didn't say I was selling it but even if I was, I still know what I pay for it.

mmcfadden · 02-27-2009, 05:44 PM

you seem great to do something for www.ishotthisvideo.com

do you have a webcam also?

to answer your question... i think aaronM has it right. Content does not sell like hotcakes and $500 a day is good. No one is buying content because good traffic is what's selling... even the good traffic from my experience is sucking lately.

Times are a bit different now... and i'm really talking about right now... really bad with the economy.

thatgirljudy · 02-27-2009, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

you seem great to do something for www.ishotthisvideo.com

do you have a webcam also?

to answer your question... i think aaronM has it right. Content does not sell like hotcakes and $500 a day is good. No one is buying content because good traffic is what's selling... even the good traffic from my experience is sucking lately.

Times are a bit different now... and i'm really talking about right now... really bad with the economy.

I never saw that website before, I do have a webcam, thank you for the link

NaughtyRob · 02-27-2009, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock

$100 per set is what I have paid models the past. Add the shitty economy and cut that down to $75-$80 per set to the model.

With the current economy I wouldn't offer more than $500 a day if she isn't taking cocks.

Yes, I never pay "per set". I pay per hour or per day... If a client hired me to shoot 50 photo sets and 50 videos depending on how much the girl was getting paid I could do it from $5k on up.

NaughtyRob · 02-27-2009, 08:40 PM

Sorry I didnt see the self shot thing. I agree with Aaron. $2K - $3K

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatgirljudy

Regular stuff, solo girl, how much would you pay a model for a year's worth of content? Content would be 50 photosets, 50 ten minute videos, and 50 behind the scenes videos (basically a camcorder set up while the photos are being taken). Photography style are self-pics but with a digital slr so clear photos, just not fancy lighting, etc. Ignoring any niches, assuming it's just a regular solo girl, what do you think?

I've had an offer and I want to see if it is anywhere reasonable before I start to research this person determine if I'd like to work with them.

Thank you!

DirtyDave · 02-27-2009, 11:16 PM

There are two types of timers for cameras; built-in and add-on. The built-in are generally very limited as are a lot of the add-on variety.

Some of the add-on models let you select:
1. how long before the first shot
2. how long between shots
3. how many shots
4-8. and a number of other selections

this would allows you set how long you need to get in front of the camera and get set, how long you want to be able to re-pose yourself, and how many times you want to do it.

1 pic every 5 seconds, 12/minute, 120 in 10 minutes. You will spend more time changing clothes and your makeup.

AaronM · 02-28-2009, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyDave

There are two types of timers for cameras; built-in and add-on. The built-in are generally very limited as are a lot of the add-on variety.

Some of the add-on models let you select:
1. how long before the first shot
2. how long between shots
3. how many shots
4-8. and a number of other selections

this would allows you set how long you need to get in front of the camera and get set, how long you want to be able to re-pose yourself, and how many times you want to do it.

1 pic every 5 seconds, 12/minute, 120 in 10 minutes. You will spend more time changing clothes and your makeup.

For anybody reading this thread and think they could use this feature but don't have much money to spend on a camera....Canon SD1100is has it built in and sells for $170.00 to $200.00

It's a great way to bust out self shot sets.

Barefootsies · 02-28-2009, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GetNaughty

Yes, I never pay "per set". I pay per hour or per day... If a client hired me to shoot 50 photo sets and 50 videos depending on how much the girl was getting paid I could do it from $5k on up.

I shoot similar (for myself).

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