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Old 02-27-2009, 10:21 AM  
Iron Fist
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Originally Posted by AaronM View Post
Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit.

3 VERY wrong answers.

We are talking about how much the TALENT should be paid. The AVERAGE exclusive solo photo set costs $200.00 or less. Same for video. The behind the scenes thing costs nothing to produce since you are already hiring the model for the actual shoots. No idea what you would charge somebody to shoot that...In fact, I would probably not charge much for it at all. MAYBE 10 or 20 bucks per video? Either way that number is insignificant so I will leave it out of the equation.

Anyway...Lets run the numbers......

50 photo + 50 video = 100 total. Knowing that the AVERAGE solo whatever sells for $200 or less, usually less...100 x 200 = $20,000.00.

Lets not forget that this is also a bulk deal. Typically when people buy in bulk they will get a price break. That means the 20k figure is probably closer to 16-18k. Site's like Karups, ATK, and Nubiles pay between $120.00 and $170.00 per photo set. Multiply that our and you get $12,000.00 to $17,000.00 without a bulk price break.

Two of you think the model will earn $15k of that...Or even of $20k?

Now lets break down the time involved.....

Clearly this kind of order would not be for Dean Capture kind of Glamour so lets pretend that the photographer can shoot 3 photo sets or 3 videos each hour.

Take your total of 100 and divide that by 3 to figure an average of hours the project will take. 33.3 Now take the $150 per hour number and multiply that by 33.3 and you get $4995.00. Double that to the $300 rate and you get $9,990.00 which is COMPLETE bullshit too.

Once again I will remind you that this is a bulk deal. Just like the producer would be charging a little less, the model would be getting paid a little less but would have a guarantee of X number of days of work.

Typically you would book a daily rate for a project like this. Knowing it can be done in 33.3 hours, you then need to decide how many days you want to break that up over. 33.3 divided by 5 would be 6.66 hours per day. However, that does not account for any hair, makeup, breaks, or anything else that eats away at your time, let alone your budget.

So, lets call it a 6 to 7 day production. A fast shooter can do it in 6 EASY. 33.3 divided by 6 = 5.55 hours of production each day. In today's economy the AVERAGE model will gladly accept $500.00 as a daily rate for a 5.5 hour day of solo work.

$500.00 X 6 days = $3000.00

Where the hell you guys get 15k from is beyond me. Even if you are a complete moron and you pay the models a day rate of $1000.00 per day, the total is still less than half of 15k....Even at 7 days instead of 6.

Chipping away at the budget even more: Is the model local or will I have to pay for her to fly to me? Am I providing her with a place to stay and meals as well? What about time and ground transportation? Did she show up looking nice or do I need to send her in for a manicure, pedicure, or facial? Did she bring enough clothes for 6 days of shoots? Most girls don't own enough for 1 or 2 days worth....So I guess we're going shopping for wardrobe now too.

No wonder so many content providers spam their shit on GFY so often. If I billed 20k for a week of work then had to pay out 15k to the model PLUS my overhead such as hair/makeup, photo assistant, and location/studio costs etc...I would be broker than AlienQ. And don't try to tell me that you would be billing over 20k for that kind of solo order.

Models don't make 50% of what the producer makes but let's pretend for a moment that they do.

$15k X 2 = $30k. 30K divided by 100 = $300.00 PER SOLO PHOTO / VIDEO? Find me a client that is willing to pay that and I will cut you in for a nice percentage.
Either this post is so full of shit that i'm hoodwinked or you just became my new god.

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