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tony286

and if he didnt nothing you would of been screaming promise breaking pussy liberal. lol

brassmonkey

you CANT prosecute a world power there's your answer wtf i put CANT IM SURE!! CANNOT

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To answer your question, no they are not. Maybe a few of them. But these Obama lovers, not the average person who just voted for him, I'm talking these OBAMA LOVERS, think 'he' can do no wrong. I mean Hitler made great speeches too, and had LOVERS as well. LOL (that should help your thread hehe)

But all the people who claimed they knew what Bush was doing apparently didn't because Obama is doing the same shit and they aren't bitchin'. Bush spent 150 Billion at one time in 2007, that didn't help shit, and they bitched, but Obama comes out and spends 780 billion "YEE HAW let's drive this fucker into the ground baby." and nothing about that. If Bush did that there would be 50 threads on the 1st page tearing apart each dollar being spent. It's as if all that energy that was spent on driving to make Bush the most evilest person on earth is now spent making excuses for Obama to be the fucking Savior.

My motto, 'ALWAY QUESTION THE GOVERNMENT, NO MATTER WHO IS IN OFFICE.' That is what we as American's have the right to do and SHOULD DO. I would love to hear what everyone thinks is in that Spending Plan. haha $300 million for green golf carts. LOL WTF GOLF CARTS???? I didn't know golf cars where such a huge problem for us.

Well I could go on and on but I think I said enough to make everyone jump in and defend Obama......

GREAT THREAD PLEASUREPAYS!!! My hat goes off to you on this one. I remember many many threads of us debating politics starting in 2003. haha I guess Bush got rid of porn on the Internet. LOL sorry I had too. hehe

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im not reading all that shit!

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tony286

Bush only made a simple 2257 a very fucked up one.

PAR

sorry just have to do this.. its not a dig...

UN is still digging in the sand looking WMD's
France already put up the white flag...

Now I was going to post this but I see someone else already did...

Originally Posted by nation-x View Post
This thread is stupid... and btw... it has been noted in the London Times recently that those drone attacks are being launched from within Pakistan itself...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elec...base-pakistan/

Loryn

Damn Tony you have over 50,000 posts. Shit you are truckin'. Why isn't your name red?

Yes I know he passed the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety act in 2006. which had a really fucked up 2257 attach which puts all our models and friends in danger, if we did it. But didn't we fight that, and aren't we fighting that part of the Act??? It needs to be worked out and from what I know we are doing that in the courts.

My point isn't Bush signing the Walsh act, which I know you know, people said on this board over and over and over ?Goodbye to Internet porn, Porn is over blah blah blah, you of course never did because you have a brain, haha but so many people said this, and look at it now, it is over saturated and we, ourselves, are fighting to stop people from stealing our content and posting it everywhere for free.

Now Obama is in office and no one is going to say a damn thing about his spending bullshit, the stock market is fucking almost as low as it was when the Dot Com crash, even China is saying they hate us because of our spending and what it is going to do to the dollar. For God Sakes on Wall Street people where yelling and saying they wanted to have a Chicago Tea Party. haha But no threads on GFY from all the great people who know this country and know the economics of the world. Where are they? I know you have to wonder that too Tony. If you think about it, it's pretty funny.

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WOAH WOAH WOAH, so now we are listening to the UK??? When the UK told Bush there were WMD's and went into the war with us, no one remembered that, for 8 years all we heard was Bush Lied People Died. No one said, Bush, Congress, the Uk and the UN lied, just BUSH LIED. Now Obama is in office and it's a vague comment about how the attacks are from within Pakistan basically insinuating that Obama didn't have anything to do with the drone attacks and has no idea what is going on and we know this because London said. AND not to mention you guys are listening to Fox News now??? I am laughing so hard, not at you just what was posted. haha

Also I LOVE this: UN is still digging in the sand looking WMD's; France already put up the white flag... Good one.....


The next four years are going to be funner than I thought. haha Amatuer Hour in the White House!!! (that one should really help Pleasure tee hee I am going to be called so many rude names and be so hated by some people tonight. hehe All because I have a different opinion.)

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If that is real I am cracking up. Not one of our bi-partisan News Media peeps caught that. LOL This is great. It couldn't have worked out better. For 8 years any hint that Bush didn?t something wrong the Media was all over it making it a HUGE focus, now when and if Obama, who is dealing with the same shit right now, handles anything in the slightest way that Bush did, it's *hopefully* going to be a HUGE spot light on all the people who suddenly have a change of heart on those exact same actions/issues, and start justifying them for him. ?It?s okay for Obama because he said he is going to bring us HOPE!!!?

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tony286

Un wanted the inspectors to finish W wouldnt let that happen.

tony286

He has been in for 30 days now. You arent watching the news because it hasnt been all roses,not even close.Also that same mainstream media gave W a pass on iraq when it was first happened.

DWB

Usually I think you're a little too much of a nut job, though here and there you get it right, but I agree with this 100%.

spacedog

It's only the beginning folks.. You're in for a real scary ride over the next few four years.

tony286

Yeah like Mccain would of been magical.

Porn Farmer

Bush was the one who started all this shit in the first place.

Obama has indicated he is going to start the process of bringing it all to a close. I'm giving him 12 months to sort this shit out. Basically he is cleaning up this Bush/Republican clusterfuck and that cannot be done overnight (or even in a month!)

Rochard

You fuckers don't even know what war crimes are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime

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who gives a shit

Loryn

Once again it wasn't just Bush, the UK and Congress agreed to go in. I am not taking away from anyone's hatred for going into the war. I am just stating that it was not just Bush. It's not that simplistic. As you can see by the votes cast in favor for the war on Oct 11th 2002.



I am not defending Bush, that is not my point AT ALL. My point is that everyone hated Bush no matter what decision he made, and just like you did here, they put the blame fully on Bush. Now it will be fun to watch people go out of their way to NOT blame Obama when he is faced with similar decisions as Bush was, because Obama is going to have to deal with the same shit Bush had to deal with over the past 7 years. (Since the decision was made by Congress and Bush to go to war.) Why just this week Obama increased the effort by 17,000 more troops into Afghanistan and I do not see 50 hate threads saying how he is killing people. Only one, this one!!! (and this one is beautifully sarcastic)

This is a dangerous game my friends. When a society blindly trusts a government and doesn?t really know what they are doing or doesn't really care to know. But the good news is we are Americans we are tough and we will survive and get through this. I just wish people would question everything now and in the future, the same way they have been for the last 7 years or so.


Well they had to give him a pass, if you want to call it that, when it first happen because Clinton, Edwards, Binden, Daschle, Rockefeller, Reid, Feinstein, and othes voted for the war, and other countries shared the same conclusions as we did at the time, so it was kinda hard for them to put the blame fully on him. I believe after these people started to claim they were against the war, that is when the media began their attack of Bush Lied People Died. Well they didn't say that, they just went out of their way to film the people who did. Once again I am not saying Bush was right or wrong I am just making a point about the bias that is going on, the bias that is to come, and the hypocrisy of it.

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Loryn

Right now I am so tired, I was just thinking that, and then you said it!!!

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Loryn

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Loryn

And here ya have it folks!!! WOO HOO Thank you for this post!!!

My Point (being) MADE!!!

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Porn Farmer

You're quite welcome!

It's going to take a long, long time for Obama to clean up the big fucking mess Bush and the republitards made of things. I can't believe people expect Obama to have had any significant impact in less than a month considering Bush and his cronies spent the last eight years fucking things up!

Loryn

No he wouldn't, and I don't care for McCain at all. I DON'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT!!! NO MATTER WHO IS IN OFFICE. haha I am totally against BIG GOVERNMENT. It doesn't work, it's bad for any economy, and it's dangerous to our freedom.

It's like these Obama lovers are just wanting more government and not understanding what will happen once that government is in your life, or takes more control of our life. (We call that liberty.)

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Phil

wtf? already?

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CDSmith

Bingo. Finally some sense in this thread. I heard it said several times before he was even elected that his plan included a shift in forces away from Iraq and more into Afghanistan, why this is now coming as some big shocker to some I have no idea.

Fighting over there doesn't just stop the second there's a change of president, it's going to take years (likely decades) to extricate from the mess over there, hopefully cleaning up at least some of it in the process. Do people really think it was going to be otherwise?

Too bad we'll never know what McCain would have done different.

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Afghan/Pakistan != Iraq

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Loryn

No one expects Obama to have anything dealt with in 30 days. But the bias that is going on for Obama is what is wrong. Everyone, including yourself, hates Bush and everything Bush did. So what are you going to do when Obama makes the same type of decisions that Bush made? Are you going to get just as pissed as you did when Bush made those decisions? Like the thread states where is all the uproar over Obama's authorization of 17,000 troops into Afghan theater? And the draw down in Iraq has been happening for almost a year, since the success of the serge, are you going to say Obama started that?


Okay kids have a Good Night, Sleep Tight, and don't let the lib bugs bite. (just joking)

Love ya Tony!!!

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Loryn

I agree with this completely, and I think it was a good decision by Obama!

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DirtyDanza

I hope he turns all those countries into glass


it may change my outlook on him and ill give him some respect....

cut the fucking taxes leave the private sector to fix the economy and let the gov bomb shit like they are supposed to... bottom line.....

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BlackCrayon

Everyone knows you support the republicans or at least republican ideals, so its no surprise what your views are. I think the reason why people might not react the same way (unless you are a republican) is that Obama is the only hope they got. They HOPE he is going to be different, maybe he won't be but but what else do we have? If Obama is going to be the "same" as Bush, god help us all ..(and i'm not even american).

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BlackCrayon

Obviously this hasn't worked the past eight years. Its too bad really about the private sector not being able to regulate itself. I am all for that, however the greedy bastards at the top are willing to do whatever it takes to get the biggest piece of the pie possible at the cost of everyone else. Its clear they can't be left to handle things on their own sadly.

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it's not, give up hope now, you're wasting your time.

nothing is going to change at all. just sit tight and wait for the next civil war.

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also, carpet bomb iran

crockett

There is no hypocrisy, you guys are just trolls..

The Pakistan is working with the US on this stuff, but they can't be seen as working with the US on this stuff. Get it?

btw how is it hypocrisy, when Obama said from the beginning that he would ramp up the "real war on terror" in Afghan while closing down the Bush war for oil in Iraq? He's doing exactlly what he promised to do..

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pocketkangaroo

I was always under the impression that the war crimes stuff came from the Iraq War which some said the U.S. had no authorization to be in. The whole lying about why we went in and finding out that Iraq was zero threat to us. I didn't think many people were upset about Afghanistan.

Mutt

first of all the man has been in office for all of 5 weeks? whatever is happening now in Pakistan was underway before he got in the White House and as a new wet behind the ears president taking over 2 wars you really don't want him making rash military decisions and pissing off the commanders and generals who are running these wars, the right would be up in arms calling him a naive pussy who is going to undo the progress already made.

and more importantly the man was explicit in debates that his plan was to step things up in Afghanistan where he believes the bigger danger exists. As for Pakistan, he told the American electorate in two debates that he would have no compunction about launching attacks on the enemy from within Pakistan's borders. McCain mocked him about that.

And what somebody else posted "The Pakistan is working with the US on this stuff, but they can't be seen as working with the US on this stuff. Get it?"

It took Bush time to become reviled - some of it earned, some not. Obama's not going to have a 4 year honeymoon.

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Funny how Obama apologists will never run short of excuses why it's never their idols fault. If Obama bends them over and shoves his both fists up their asses without any lube, they will still find an excuse as to why he's doing the right thing.

Cherry7

The decision of Obama to persue the criminal was in Afganistan is a great disapointment.

But Obama is not a radical, look who he is appointed.

He seems to be supporting Israel in its illegal occupation of Arab lands.

He will support the rich and the powerful, because they run the system. You don't get far if you attact the Murdochs of this world.

"democracy" where you vote for one powerful class of people over another every 4 years will never represent the desires of the people. That could only be done with a system of direct democracy where people can be elected and dismissed at any time and where people have direct power over their localities and factories.

Sadly it looks like the US will continue as in imperialist power, using its large military to protect its economic interests around the world. So innocents will continue to die in far away lands so that the richer countries can become even fatter.

It always puzzles me how the right always talk about small government ignoring the biggest military in history. BUT thank god its not a health service...Like you really feel your liberty when you are a soldier...

As Noam Chomsky has said every Americn president would have been hanged for war crimes....

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Pleasurepays

its quite simple.

if Bush is an asshole, a terrorist and a war criminal for going into these countries, for killing innocent people and for getting US (and other nations) troops killed - then any other action other than immediate, full and complete withdrawal also makes Obama the same thing(s). You can't reason that Bush committed bad genocide and Obama is committing good genocide and so on.

I've had to listen to people call Bush a terrorist and a war criminal for all these years and find it quite fascinating that the moment Obama gets into office, he sends 20,000 more troops to Afghanistan... starts instantly bombing villages/hideouts and caves resulting in civilian casualties in his first week, even bombing inside the sovereign territory of a 3rd country etc and suddenly its "hey man, lets give this guy a chance"

the fact of the matter is that there is absolutely no difference when one guy orders 20,000 more troops to go in and blow shit up or the other does. innocent people die, the middle east gets pissed, arabs continue to hate us and so on.

i'm always interested in the depth of peoples hypocrisy when it comes to reinforcing their own personal world views and perspectives.

i'm all for bombing these places and building up troop presence in the region btw and destroying anyone who is sitting in their stone hut dreaming of detonating a bomb in a major city no matter where it is simply because they are growing up in a stone hut and cling to a book of fairy tales that ironically makes them angry....

my interest is simply in peoples hypocrisy and their own complete and total denial of it.

Bush started it... sure. so what? What does that have to do with Obama walking into office, ordering more troops into Afghanistan and approving bombings and attacks right away and attacks inside Pakistan? Where is the outrage? Why is it suddenly OK to send 20,000 "of our precious boys and girls into harms way, where many will lose their lives"?

Unlike most people, i can admit fully who and what i am. What i believe and I don't mind having those beliefs challenged. But people as a whole can't seem to get past their own bias, admit they are biased and admit their world view is biased. It's the weirdest sort of personal denial in people... thats why these discussions can really be "us against them" in everyones minds. its not about reason or fact... it simply about each person reflexively defending their own fragile world view so they don't accidentally find themselves in the position of having to rethink entire belief systems that enable them to get through the day without having to ponder, reason and intellectualize their way through everything.

i'm a fairly conservative person. i know that my own view of the world is biased in that manner. i know that my perception of issues is biased in that manner. its just simply the product of being left brain dominant. but at least i'm intelligent enough to admit and accept what i am and admit and accept that opposing views might be just as correct and valid as my own, even when i "just cant see it that way". people in general can't. that intrigues me. people tend break everything down into a simple black and white, yes or no style issue and run a quick crosscheck to see where that "yes" or "no" fits into their belief system and world view and reflexively adopt a position.. then they are forced to defend it to the end, often with no concern (and often no awareness) of how unreasonable they tend to get in their arguments.

people that claimed to detest Bush for going into Afghanistan and Iraq, called him a war criminal, highlighted everyday the deaths of innocent people and couldn't wait to post pics of dead kids are now defending Obama for the same.

and how do they reconcile that? they can't. that's why they are reduced to "you're an idiot" and similar remarks in their own defense.

people are fascinating. at least a baboon doesn't feel the need to challenge whether or not he's a baboon and can just relax and go back to jacking off and eating bananas. people tend to spend their whole day trying to convince themselves they're not baboons WHILE jacking off and eating bananas all day.

nation-x

It's funny to me how right wingers have completely flip flopped now and blaming Obama for shit that Bush started... You stupid motherfuckers crack me up.

Pleasurepays... you got the whole idea behind the Bush War criminal thing wrong... what makes him a war criminal is lying about the reasons to go into Iraq in the first place and covering it up. Obama is just left with the mess to clean up.

Pleasurepays

i think that on a subconscious level, people don't really believe anything. everyone was tired of Bush fumbling around like a retarded ape and just like when they voted Bush into office, they are concerned about the future. When terrorism was the primary concern, Bush got re-elected because he was able to better convey that he was going to protect everyone. Now the economy, jobs, homes etc are the issue a man with charisma, compassion and sincerity of a televangelist looks into the camera and says "i understand and i'm going to fix your life" and people buy into it. i don't really think it goes much deeper than that.

Pleasurepays

"you right wingers now blaming Obama"

huh?

i fully support bombing these places and escalating troop presence. i support Obamas decisions to do so.

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Obamas war crimes in bold

# Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions, such as:

1. Willful killing, or causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health
2. Torture or inhumane treatment
3. Unlawful wanton destruction or appropriation of property
4. Forcing a prisoner of war to serve in the forces of a hostile power
5. Depriving a prisoner of war of a fair trial
6. Unlawful deportation, confinement or transfer
7. Taking hostages

# The following acts as part of an international conflict:

1. Directing attacks against civilians
2. Directing attacks against humanitarian workers or UN peacekeepers
3. Killing a surrendered combatant
4. Misusing a flag of truce
5. Settlement of occupied territory
6. Deportation of inhabitants of occupied territory
7. Using poison weapons
8. Using civilians as shields
9. Using child soldiers

The following acts as part of a non-international conflict:

1. Murder, cruel or degrading treatment and torture
2. Directing attacks against civilians, humanitarian workers or UN peacekeepers
3. Taking hostages
4. Summary execution
5. Pillage
6. Rape, sexual slavery, forced prostitution or forced pregnancy

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I don't really have a side in the matter, but you're muddling the two wars. Not many people in this country had a problem with Afghanistan even to this day. The public polls show that they feel it's justified and that we should be sending more troops.

The war criminal stuff is primarily over Iraq (although some I'm sure use Afghanistan). It was over the fact that he lied to the public about why we went to war. It was over the fact that Iraq was never a threat and we had no business going in there.

If Obama had sent 20,000 more troops into Iraq, you'd be justified. But just because someone believes the Iraq war is a farce doesn't mean they are opposed to any and all military operations. Not to mention that it's not exactly easy to just step out of a war. We've learned from the past that just getting up and leaving an area before finishing a job can hold dire circumstances, regardless of whether you believe the war was justified or not.

The discontent is over Iraq, always has been.

Pleasurepays

this is also a pretty funny point. the idea that "Bush lied". which is a position you are forced to adopt because of how many Democrats voted to go into Iraq. otherwise, it becomes a collective mistake with personal accountability... much easier to point the finger far off in the distance and say "the problem is over there"

did Bush lie? i don't know. don't care. Congress gave him authority and constantly gave him money to do it. all the bi-partisan intelligence committees and government agencies didn't seem to feel one guy was just making shit up. so at a minimum, you have to admit that the "lie" involved more than one political party and one person.

IllTestYourGirls

Most dont think we should attack Pakistan. And public opinion does not matter. The public supported Hitler when he invaded France.

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