Rush Limbaugh... slightly confused?

[StuartD]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/...pac/index.html

Limbaugh used his self-described "first national address," which ran more than an hour longer than his allotted 20 minutes, to accuse President Obama of inspiring fear in Americans in order to push a liberal agenda of "big government."

"He wants people in fear, angst and crisis, fearing the worst each and every day, because that clears the decks for President Obama and his pals to come in with the answers, which are abject failures, historically shown and demonstrated. Doesn't matter. They'll have control of it when it's all over. And that's what they want," Limbaugh said.

"They see these inequalities, these inequities that capitalism produces. How do they try to fix it? Do they try to elevate those at the bottom? No, they try to tear down the people at the top."

What a farce. The last president I remember inspiring fear in people never talked about anything BUT the 'war on terra'!

[TheSenator]

Rush Limbaugh is now the head of the Republican party.

[qxm]

Rush Limbaugh can kiss the fattest part of my ass......nuff said......

[burntfilm]

Rush has to stick to the party line, no matter what the reality is... They'll figure it out eventually and come back with some stronger stuff, but for now they just seem to be beating the drum, making sure we know they're still here. It's called "The Al Sharpton Technique"

[LiveDose]

CPAC is a conservation event not a Republican event. Limbaugh is embarassed about the Republican party just as many people are.

[TheSenator]

I like this new commercial
Video: http://link.brightcove.com/services/...tid14342687001

Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19390.html

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by LiveDose

CPAC is a conservation event not a Republican event. Limbaugh is embarassed about the Republican party just as many people are.

Whatever....terrorist are still called terrorist even if they belong to a different group.

[LiveDose]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Whatever....terrorist are still called terrorist even if they belong to a different group.

So then Obama and Bush are socialists right?

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by StuartD

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/...pac/index.html

Limbaugh used his self-described "first national address," which ran more than an hour longer than his allotted 20 minutes, to accuse President Obama of inspiring fear in Americans in order to push a liberal agenda of "big government."

"He wants people in fear, angst and crisis, fearing the worst each and every day, because that clears the decks for President Obama and his pals to come in with the answers, which are abject failures, historically shown and demonstrated. Doesn't matter. They'll have control of it when it's all over. And that's what they want," Limbaugh said.

"They see these inequalities, these inequities that capitalism produces. How do they try to fix it? Do they try to elevate those at the bottom? No, they try to tear down the people at the top."



What a farce. The last president I remember inspiring fear in people never talked about anything BUT the 'war on terra'!

lets take some time to understand your view point

When Bush, on the heels of a massive attack against the nation in the heart of New York City talks about the threats and the risks and the changes that need to happen - he's just fear mongering and trying to scare people to push an agenda?

When Obama stands up and does absolutely nothing but talk about how bad the economy is, how bad its going to get and how there is just no time to discuss the biggest spending bill in the history of the world because there's just no time and the cost of losing one second debating it is just too great... he's just doing what needs to be done?

Repeat after me:

"My name is StuartD, i'm very liberal. That's not a bad thing, it just means that my personal political views are biased towards one side and means that i can't treat any political issue fairly.. so don't expect a well thought out, fair, insightful or well reasoned discussion on my part"

there.. now you're free and on the road to becoming a rational human being.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

lets take some time to understand your view point

When Bush, on the heels of a massive attack against the nation in the heart of New York City talks about the threats and the risks and the changes that need to happen - he's just fear mongering and trying to scare people to push an agenda?

When Obama stands up and does absolutely nothing but talk about how bad the economy is, how bad its going to get and how there is just no time to discuss the biggest spending bill in the history of the world because there's just no time and the cost of losing one second debating it is just too great... he's just doing what needs to be done?

And let's take some time to understand yours.

Bush spoke about terrorists for 7 years following a terrorist attack. It happened, he continued on and on about it. A plane goes down into the Hudson over 7 years later due to geese and the first thing the news reports is whether or not it was a likely terrorist attack. I was in Chicago a couple of months ago and the airport announcements kept going on and on about being at orange alert.

Obama keeps talking about the economy because IT IS HAPPENING and he's only been in office for 1 month. ONE MONTH! Wow, won't he ever shut up??

[tony286]

Originally Posted by StuartD

And let's take some time to understand yours.

Bush spoke about terrorists for 7 years following a terrorist attack. It happened, he continued on and on about it. A plane goes down into the Hudson over 7 years later due to geese and the first thing the news reports is whether or not it was a likely terrorist attack. I was in Chicago a couple of months ago and the airport announcements kept going on and on about being at orange alert.

Obama keeps talking about the economy because IT IS HAPPENING and he's only been in office for 1 month. ONE MONTH! Wow, won't he ever shut up??

Well said PP thinks taking an authoritative tone makes him above it all. Maybe he should take his own advice and instead say Im a proud right winger being honest with himself.
The right can talk all this shit because they know this mess is being handled. If tomorrow obama said you know I thought about it and we are going to do what the republicans say. Pull back all spending,let the banks and businesses fail it will fix itself. Let the rich keep their tax cuts.The right would shit themselves. Because 50 unemployment wouldn't be too far away.

[David!]

obama is the biggest retard that has ever walked this planet, he will make hitler look like a boy scout.
he is nothing more than a glorified speech giver who can't align 2 words that make sense without a tele prompter
nuff said

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Rush Limbaugh is now the head of the Republican party.

hahahahaha or the k*k

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by PussyMan

obama is the biggest retard that has ever walked this planet, he will make hitler look like a boy scout.
he is nothing more than a glorified speech giver who can't align 2 words that make sense without a tele prompter
nuff said

hes your president like him or not you must have forgot bush but i bet he runs your mind when you put gas in your car or buy food

[David!]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

hes your president like him or not you must have forgot bush but i bet he runs your mind when you put gas in your car or buy food

oblabla is not my president, he is the dictators of the losers

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by PussyMan

oblabla is not my president, he is the dictators of the losers

Here ya...hear is your leadership


What a fucking drunk..

[David!]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Here ya...hear is your leadership


What a fucking drunk..

hummm, nope

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by PussyMan

oblabla is not my president, he is the dictators of the losers

if he was a dictator you think he would have set a time for peoples family members to get out of the war bush started i have friends and family in this war lost a couple in desertstorm but i guess you can say fucked up shit and hes only been in like 100 days

[David!]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

if he was a dictator you think he would have set a time for peoples family members to get out of the war bush started i have friends and family in this war lost a couple in desertstorm but i guess you can say fucked up shit and hes only been in like 100 days

fuck you
obama is a piece of shit
he will ruin this country, wait, he already has and he hasn't been here 100 days yet

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by PussyMan

fuck you
obama is a piece of shit
he will ruin this country, wait, he already has and he hasn't been here 100 days yet

back at you whatever you win cause in the real world you wouldnt talk shit

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Rush Limbaugh is now the head of the Republican party.

That guy is as nutty as they come and the scary part is he's tame compared to some of the other Right wing nut job radio hosts. The sad part is the sheep will believe anything he says.

It is slightly funny to watch the Republican party continue to self implode on it's self. Yet, it's kind of sad though in a way, because this country really needs a "viable" two or preferably three party system. It's just the Republicans have turned down the road of extremism.

I had hoped after the ass whooping they took, they would see the light and move back to what their party once was. Yet seems that didn't happen, so they continue down the path of self destruction.

[Drake]

Rush, please refer to http://mises.org/story/895

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by StuartD

And let's take some time to understand yours.

Bush spoke about terrorists for 7 years following a terrorist attack. It happened, he continued on and on about it. A plane goes down into the Hudson over 7 years later due to geese and the first thing the news reports is whether or not it was a likely terrorist attack. I was in Chicago a couple of months ago and the airport announcements kept going on and on about being at orange alert.

Obama keeps talking about the economy because IT IS HAPPENING and he's only been in office for 1 month. ONE MONTH! Wow, won't he ever shut up??

my view?

really?

what does "my view" and whatever you seem to think that is, have to do with anything i said?

answer... nothing. the truth is that you know i'm right and you've got nothing. both Bush and Obama are two sides of the same coin playing politics as usual... the only difference between both is your personal bias and your desperate need to rationalize one as being different than the other.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by tony404

Well said PP thinks taking an authoritative tone makes him above it all. Maybe he should take his own advice and instead say Im a proud right winger being honest with himself.
The right can talk all this shit because they know this mess is being handled. If tomorrow obama said you know I thought about it and we are going to do what the republicans say. Pull back all spending,let the banks and businesses fail it will fix itself. Let the rich keep their tax cuts.The right would shit themselves. Because 50 unemployment wouldn't be too far away.

you have to keep saying "right and left" because you can't have any discussion on the issue that's not predicated on "us against them at any cost"

the fact of the matter is that its absolutely no different to talk about terrorism being an imminent threat and the need to urgently pass a lot of legislation or we all die and obama going before the cameras and explaining that's there's just no time to debate the worlds largest spending bill and whats in it, its merits or faults... because every second lost brings the world closer to total collapse (or as he called it - "an irreversible collapse")

they are the exact same thing.

[Pleasurepays]

and since you tards just can't seem to separate partisan arguments ... i'd like to point out the obvious and thats that i'm not taking sides... i don't think either is right or wrong in their tactics.
just pointing out that they BOTH use the EXACT same tactics

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

my view?

really?

what does "my view" and whatever you seem to think that is, have to do with anything i said?

answer... nothing. the truth is that you know i'm right and you've got nothing. both Bush and Obama are two sides of the same coin playing politics as usual... the only difference between both is your personal bias and your desperate need to rationalize one as being different than the other.

Right, you're the unbiased one around here.

And thank you, I was going to say that your point of view has nothing to do with anything but you saying it for me sounds much better.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

and since you tards just can't seem to separate partisan arguments ... i'd like to point out the obvious and thats that i'm not taking sides... i don't think either is right or wrong in their tactics.
just pointing out that they BOTH use the EXACT same tactics

Speak for yourself "tard"... since my first post does not say in the slightest that I thought Obama did or did not inspire fear. Although I do still think that he does need to speak about the economy since it is happening now. If he gave a speech without mentioning, the republicans would rip him apart for not focusing on what's important. So he does and instead they rip him apart for inspiring fear.

Anyway, here you are saying you are not taking sides yet attack me because I think Limbaugh is confused for attacking Obama for doing this when we've had over 7 years of it from Bush. Where was he rallying the troops then?? Hmm??

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Right, you're the unbiased one around here.

And thank you, I was going to say that your point of view has nothing to do with anything but you saying it for me sounds much better.

again... i'm well aware of the fact that i'm biased towards conservative perspectives. unlike you, i'm capable of being honest with myself and others about that fact. once again, you dodge the point because you know i'm right and you have no real defense.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Speak for yourself "tard"... since my first post does not say in the slightest that I thought Obama did or did not inspire fear. Although I do still think that he does need to speak about the economy since it is happening now. If he gave a speech without mentioning, the republicans would rip him apart for not focusing on what's important. So he does and instead they rip him apart for inspiring fear.

Anyway, here you are saying you are not taking sides yet attack me because I think Limbaugh is confused for attacking Obama for doing this when we've had over 7 years of it from Bush. Where was he rallying the troops then?? Hmm??

7 years of Bush has nothing to do with the best direction going forward. "It's Bush's fault" is certainly not a great rationalization for passing the single largest spending bill in the history of the planet. but its easy right? you don't have to do much critical thinking, doing things your way. hell, now you don't even have to defend Obama when all you have to do is blame Bush. nice!

and this is how the next 4 years will go in your eyes

everything that goes right = Obama is doing a great job
everything that goes wrong = Bush created that problem and Obamas doing a great job

and btw... for the uneducated... "Conservative" does not mean "Bush" or "Republican"

[mynameisjim]

Rush Limbaugh caught syphilis while banging 15 year old prostitutes in the Dominican Republic. It may be affecting his brain.

Anyway, doesn't he talk into a solid gold microphone or something? What a douchebag.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

again... i'm well aware of the fact that i'm biased towards conservative perspectives. unlike you, i'm capable of being honest with myself and others about that fact. once again, you dodge the point because you know i'm right and you have no real defense.

Real defense against what?!?! What the hell kind of argument are you making up in your own head??
I said that Rush is confused that he's accusing Obama of inspiring fear.

I don't understand the twisted tangent you're taking to try to fabricate some argument just so you can pretend to understand my view, or make me repeat things you'd like me to say.

I never said "it's Bush's fault". I don't even blame Bush for the economy so much as the parties involved before him (yes, both parties had a role). Although, he certainly didn't help matters by some radical spending of his own. (he did the bail out thing first, remember?)

Medication. You are either needing it or need to stop taking so much.

Now please stop trying to tell me how the next 4 years will go in my eyes. You have no clue, you keep proving that your stupid need to make this an argument by just creating stuff in your own head.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

lets take some time to understand your view point

When Bush, on the heels of a massive attack against the nation in the heart of New York City talks about the threats and the risks and the changes that need to happen - he's just fear mongering and trying to scare people to push an agenda?

When Obama stands up and does absolutely nothing but talk about how bad the economy is, how bad its going to get and how there is just no time to discuss the biggest spending bill in the history of the world because there's just no time and the cost of losing one second debating it is just too great... he's just doing what needs to be done?

Repeat after me:

"My name is StuartD, i'm very liberal. That's not a bad thing, it just means that my personal political views are biased towards one side and means that i can't treat any political issue fairly.. so don't expect a well thought out, fair, insightful or well reasoned discussion on my part"

there.. now you're free and on the road to becoming a rational human being.

So let's take a minute to talk about reality.

Do you remember the 2000 election? If not let me refresh you. Economist were saying that we could be heading into a recession. The economy was in a slight downturn and could get worse. What does Bush do? He built much of his campaign around the fear that there was a recession coming and we needed big tax cuts to help ward it off. Every time he opened his mouth it was about how bad the economy will get if you don't elect him and let him cut taxes. I'm not a rocket scientist, but that sounds a little bit like economic fear mongering to me.

So he gets elected and yes we have a terrorist attack and yes he was correct to be realistic about it and talk about it. But he then used it as his sole reason for being in office. Let's be honest, the republican economic policies didn't work. He had no ground to stand on there (don't mistake this for me saying Obama's will - maybe they will and maybe they won't, but it doesn't change the fact that Bush's didn't work) so he went with what he knew. . . fear. On the eve of the 2004 election what happens? Oh that's right, we get another Bin Laden tape that suddenly gets a timely release and Bush sets out to remind everyone that they must not change course. I remember him saying something to the effect of. "We have to fight the terrorist in Iraq so that we aren't fighting them in the streets of Baltimore." Here is the kicker, a few weeks after the election I am talking to a friend of mine and we are debating the Iraq war and she says to me, "Even if Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 I would rather we fight terrorist there or they will invade us and we might have to fight them in Baltimore or some other city." She was scared and believed his words. She thought there was a shipload of terrorist somewhere that were going to invade a US city if we pulled out of Iraq. That, my friend, is using fear to convince people to choose a particular path. Bush should have occasionally reminded the public about terrorist, but he seemed to do it every time he opened his mouth. It was his one highlight. He was a lame duck president with historically low approval ratings, but the one thing he had going for him was that since 9/11 there had been no more terrorist attacks on US soil and he never missed a chance to remind all of us of that fact and he did it in a way that made it seem like he was the guy who would keep us safe, the liberals would turn the country over to the terrorist. That is fear, plain and simple.

Is Obama using fear to push some things through? Sure. Is the economy a clear and present danger? Without question. Here is the question. If his economic policies work and the economy turns around, will he use this economic collapse as a cornerstone for most of the things he does from here on out? Will we see Obama 3-4 years from now saying, "We need to pass this bill in order to help make sure we don't suffer another economic collapse ." Even if said bill has little or nothing to do with the economy. Bush used the manta of "keeping us safe" as the cornerstone for much of his policies. I can't count the number of times I saw him talk about the need to "protect" the American people even if the law/bill/policy he was talking about really had nothing to do with that.

Bush started his campaign beating the drums of fear and for 8 years he never stopped. Some of the time during that 8 ears the need was real and timely, but much of the time it was simply convenient and helped him get what he wanted. Obama ended his campaign beating the drums of fear and is still doing it today. Like Bush right after 9/11 it is a necessary thing because the seriousness of the situation calls for it. We will have to wait to see if continues to go back to this well over and over again.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

7 years of Bush has nothing to do with the best direction going forward. "It's Bush's fault" is certainly not a great rationalization for passing the single largest spending bill in the history of the planet. but its easy right? you don't have to do much critical thinking, doing things your way. hell, now you don't even have to defend Obama when all you have to do is blame Bush. nice!

and this is how the next 4 years will go in your eyes

everything that goes right = Obama is doing a great job
everything that goes wrong = Bush created that problem and Obamas doing a great job

and btw... for the uneducated... "Conservative" does not mean "Bush" or "Republican"

But didn't Bush and the conservatives and republicans blame much of what went wrong with his 8 years in office on Clinton?

I've seen Clinton blamed for everything from 9/11 to the current economic policies. That said, Clinton blamed Bush and Reagan for many of his problems. That is how it works.

Blaming Bush is not a good enough reason to pass the stimulus bill and honestly I don't think that is why they did it. I think they decided that during the campaign they had promised bold and swift action so when Obama won and the democrats took control of Washington they now had to act. I think they passed the bill because they (well at least some of them) feel it will work. Many agree. Many disagree. Now we wait and see. If it fails and we spend the next 3 years in economic trouble you know exactly what the republican's platform for 2012 will be.

[PornMD]

Politicians in general incite fear. That's how they pass shit that no one in their right mind would WANT to pass, shitty laws, bills, etc. that screw everyone except the handful of people they benefit. People being afraid, flustered, panicked, etc. is exactly what every politician wants, so that you'll then think they're your savior by "taking the bad stuff away" through bills that actually make it all worse. The Patriot Act and this recent spending bill as well as the TARP fund, etc. were all established through this course of action.

Why the fuck people are still bickering as if one political party is actually looking out for us and the other isn't is beyond me. The only thing about you they care about is your vote come election time and that you pay your taxes and spend spend spend your money.

[kane]

Oh. . . and for the record anyone who listens to Rush Limbaugh for anything more than a laugh should take their shoe off and use it to smack themselves in the face over and over until they pass out.

Limbaugh is supposedly Mr.Conservative. He has railed against the Clintons for having a "sham" of a marriage and how they are disgracing the sanctity marriage, yet he himself has been married like 4 different times. I think his current wife may not even speak english Which is more of a disgrace to the sanctity of marriage, getting married and divorced several times or getting married once and sticking to it for better or worse?

Rush, like most conservatives, loves to preach about taking responsibility for your own action. That is a great idea. He has also railed against drug users as being the dregs of society and how they should take responsibility and turn themselves in. But when the drug addict is him and he is taking enough Hillbilly Heroin to tranquilize an African elephant and he sends his maid to buy him 5000 pills and she gets caught does he take responsibility? No. Does he do what he preaches and turn himself and serve the punishment for his crime? No. He lawyers up and shuts up and cuts himself a deal.

Rush has the credibility of a toothless meth whore who tells you if you give her $100 she will pay you back tomorrow.

[tony286]

is it really fear when the economy is very fucked up and not getting better.It seems I reads the news and every week a couple of banks are failing.More and more people are losing their jobs. All the numbers look really bad.
The right knows what he has to do and since he is doing it they are safe to attack. If tomorrow obama said I thought about it the republicans were right. Im not going to spend any money and let the business and banks fail if they are going to fail. We will let the free market reign. They would be shitting in their pants.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by kane

But didn't Bush and the conservatives and republicans blame much of what went wrong with his 8 years in office on Clinton?

how many times do i need to keep saying YES???

my point is that Obama is doing the same shit people criticized Bush for doing. THE EXACT SAME THING. Bush did the same shit Obama is doing and so on and so on and so on.

;)

[kane]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

how many times do i need to keep saying YES???

my point is that Obama is doing the same shit people criticized Bush for doing. THE EXACT SAME THING. Bush did the same shit Obama is doing and so on and so on and so on.

;)

And I guess my point is that it is too soon to consider Obama a fear monger.

Bush was right to talk about terrorism and convey fear and the seriousness of terrorism right after 9/11. When he continued to do it every chance he had for 7 more years it went from being topical to being fear mongering and using that threat whenever it was convenient.

Obama is using fear for the stimulus package because it is a very real and present danger. The question we don't know is if it works (or at least partially works) will he continue to go back to this well down the road?

I think being serious about a current situation is fine. When it gets out of hand is when it becomes the cornerstone of your policy. It is too soon to know if Obama will be that way or now.

[PornMD]

Originally Posted by tony404

is it really fear when the economy is very fucked up and not getting better.It seems I reads the news and every week a couple of banks are failing.More and more people are losing their jobs. All the numbers look really bad.
The right knows what he has to do and since he is doing it they are safe to attack. If tomorrow obama said I thought about it the republicans were right. Im not going to spend any money and let the business and banks fail if they are going to fail. We will let the free market reign. They would be shitting in their pants.

He is painting banks and businesses failing as the huge problem that will seriously fuck us up when the real issue is our monetary system - we're printing money that we don't have to fix all these issues, bailing out businesses that dug their own holes, people that lived beyond their means, etc. until what will eventually happen? The rest of the world will realize that we're creating more and more money from thin air and will start seriously devaluing the dollar, at which point we'll be absolutely screwed for a long time. It's actually really amazing given the kind of money we've already thrown at banks that this hasn't already happened.

Obama is trying to treat a bullet wound with a band-aid (there's probably a better analogy than that). Seriously though, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, the TARP, this stimulus package...all of it happened through inciting fear first. Obama didn't just say we have serious economic issues that need to be fixed - he essentially made it seem like if the stimulus package wasn't passed that the REAL problems would begin. But oh yea, the real problems have already been happening and will continue to happen with the stimulus not doing a damn thing to solve them. The one good thing the bill would have done, capping executive pay, got quietly removed before it was signed. I wonder how many average Americans even know that after the public display of politicians doing the right thing and adding that in the bill prior to it being taken out. This is the kind of sick shit they're doing.

[kane]

Originally Posted by PornMD

He is painting banks and businesses failing as the huge problem that will seriously fuck us up when the real issue is our monetary system - we're printing money that we don't have to fix all these issues, bailing out businesses that dug their own holes, people that lived beyond their means, etc. until what will eventually happen? The rest of the world will realize that we're creating more and more money from thin air and will start seriously devaluing the dollar, at which point we'll be absolutely screwed for a long time. It's actually really amazing given the kind of money we've already thrown at banks that this hasn't already happened.

Obama is trying to treat a bullet wound with a band-aid (there's probably a better analogy than that). Seriously though, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, the TARP, this stimulus package...all of it happened through inciting fear first. Obama didn't just say we have serious economic issues that need to be fixed - he essentially made it seem like if the stimulus package wasn't passed that the REAL problems would begin. But oh yea, the real problems have already been happening and will continue to happen with the stimulus not doing a damn thing to solve them. The one good thing the bill would have done, capping executive pay, got quietly removed before it was signed. I wonder how many average Americans even know that after the public display of politicians doing the right thing and adding that in the bill prior to it being taken out. This is the kind of sick shit they're doing.

I hadn't seen anything about the executive pay cap being removed before signing. Where did you see this?

[TisMe]

Calling Rush confused is way too kind.

[The Seduction of Art]

Originally Posted by burntfilm

Rush has to stick to the party line, no matter what the reality is... They'll figure it out eventually and come back with some stronger stuff, but for now they just seem to be beating the drum, making sure we know they're still here. It's called "The Al Sharpton Technique"

Okay, who wouldn't like to see a Sumo match between Limbaugh and Sharpton? COMEDY GOLD.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by PussyMan

oblabla is not my president, he is the dictators of the losers

Why do you hate America ?????

[David!]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Why do you hate America ?????

do not despair
i will be your neighbor very soon

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

When Obama stands up and does absolutely nothing but talk about how bad the economy is, how bad its going to get and how there is just no time to discuss the biggest spending bill in the history of the world because there's just no time and the cost of losing one second debating it is just too great... he's just doing what needs to be done?

What is amazing is how ready people are to believe his lies without even taking a minute to look at the details or consider the implications.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

What is amazing is how ready people are to believe his lies without even taking a minute to look at the details or consider the implications.

You mean like bush did with the tarp? OR when he told us Bin laden die or alive or when he said iraq had wmds? You all talk, what would you want them to do? Do you really understand the situation we are in? Do you actually read the news and see whats going on out there? Would you rather they did nothing,let it all fail and then you would see what going to shit is really like.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

lets take some time to understand your view point

When Bush, on the heels of a massive attack against the nation in the heart of New York City talks about the threats and the risks and the changes that need to happen - he's just fear mongering and trying to scare people to push an agenda?

When Obama stands up and does absolutely nothing but talk about how bad the economy is, how bad its going to get and how there is just no time to discuss the biggest spending bill in the history of the world because there's just no time and the cost of losing one second debating it is just too great... he's just doing what needs to be done?

Repeat after me:

"My name is StuartD, i'm very liberal. That's not a bad thing, it just means that my personal political views are biased towards one side and means that i can't treat any political issue fairly.. so don't expect a well thought out, fair, insightful or well reasoned discussion on my part"

there.. now you're free and on the road to becoming a rational human being.

You're taking this bill politically when it's actually a economical bill lead by experts in their domains. The right wich had a pretty good plan failed, and badly... They let criminals and greedy people ruin their system, and now they have no idea how to fix it. Time to try something else, or let the financial system collapse.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by crockett

That guy is as nutty as they come and the scary part is he's tame compared to some of the other Right wing nut job radio hosts. The sad part is the sheep will believe anything he says.

It is slightly funny to watch the Republican party continue to self implode on it's self. Yet, it's kind of sad though in a way, because this country really needs a "viable" two or preferably three party system. It's just the Republicans have turned down the road of extremism.

I had hoped after the ass whooping they took, they would see the light and move back to what their party once was. Yet seems that didn't happen, so they continue down the path of self destruction.

What is even more sad, is that a year ago, the majority was supporting this party, and that right now, like 48-49 % are supporting it.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Rush Limbaugh is now the head of the Republican party.

I thought Joe The 'IQ of 70' Plumber was.

[TeenCat]