Rush Limbaugh... slightly confused?

Real defense against what?!?! What the hell kind of argument are you making up in your own head??
I said that Rush is confused that he's accusing Obama of inspiring fear.

I don't understand the twisted tangent you're taking to try to fabricate some argument just so you can pretend to understand my view, or make me repeat things you'd like me to say.

I never said "it's Bush's fault". I don't even blame Bush for the economy so much as the parties involved before him (yes, both parties had a role). Although, he certainly didn't help matters by some radical spending of his own. (he did the bail out thing first, remember?)

Medication. You are either needing it or need to stop taking so much.

Now please stop trying to tell me how the next 4 years will go in my eyes. You have no clue, you keep proving that your stupid need to make this an argument by just creating stuff in your own head.

So let's take a minute to talk about reality.

Do you remember the 2000 election? If not let me refresh you. Economist were saying that we could be heading into a recession. The economy was in a slight downturn and could get worse. What does Bush do? He built much of his campaign around the fear that there was a recession coming and we needed big tax cuts to help ward it off. Every time he opened his mouth it was about how bad the economy will get if you don't elect him and let him cut taxes. I'm not a rocket scientist, but that sounds a little bit like economic fear mongering to me.

So he gets elected and yes we have a terrorist attack and yes he was correct to be realistic about it and talk about it. But he then used it as his sole reason for being in office. Let's be honest, the republican economic policies didn't work. He had no ground to stand on there (don't mistake this for me saying Obama's will - maybe they will and maybe they won't, but it doesn't change the fact that Bush's didn't work) so he went with what he knew. . . fear. On the eve of the 2004 election what happens? Oh that's right, we get another Bin Laden tape that suddenly gets a timely release and Bush sets out to remind everyone that they must not change course. I remember him saying something to the effect of. "We have to fight the terrorist in Iraq so that we aren't fighting them in the streets of Baltimore." Here is the kicker, a few weeks after the election I am talking to a friend of mine and we are debating the Iraq war and she says to me, "Even if Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 I would rather we fight terrorist there or they will invade us and we might have to fight them in Baltimore or some other city." She was scared and believed his words. She thought there was a shipload of terrorist somewhere that were going to invade a US city if we pulled out of Iraq. That, my friend, is using fear to convince people to choose a particular path. Bush should have occasionally reminded the public about terrorist, but he seemed to do it every time he opened his mouth. It was his one highlight. He was a lame duck president with historically low approval ratings, but the one thing he had going for him was that since 9/11 there had been no more terrorist attacks on US soil and he never missed a chance to remind all of us of that fact and he did it in a way that made it seem like he was the guy who would keep us safe, the liberals would turn the country over to the terrorist. That is fear, plain and simple.

Is Obama using fear to push some things through? Sure. Is the economy a clear and present danger? Without question. Here is the question. If his economic policies work and the economy turns around, will he use this economic collapse as a cornerstone for most of the things he does from here on out? Will we see Obama 3-4 years from now saying, "We need to pass this bill in order to help make sure we don't suffer another economic collapse ." Even if said bill has little or nothing to do with the economy. Bush used the manta of "keeping us safe" as the cornerstone for much of his policies. I can't count the number of times I saw him talk about the need to "protect" the American people even if the law/bill/policy he was talking about really had nothing to do with that.

Bush started his campaign beating the drums of fear and for 8 years he never stopped. Some of the time during that 8 ears the need was real and timely, but much of the time it was simply convenient and helped him get what he wanted. Obama ended his campaign beating the drums of fear and is still doing it today. Like Bush right after 9/11 it is a necessary thing because the seriousness of the situation calls for it. We will have to wait to see if continues to go back to this well over and over again.

But didn't Bush and the conservatives and republicans blame much of what went wrong with his 8 years in office on Clinton?

I've seen Clinton blamed for everything from 9/11 to the current economic policies. That said, Clinton blamed Bush and Reagan for many of his problems. That is how it works.

Blaming Bush is not a good enough reason to pass the stimulus bill and honestly I don't think that is why they did it. I think they decided that during the campaign they had promised bold and swift action so when Obama won and the democrats took control of Washington they now had to act. I think they passed the bill because they (well at least some of them) feel it will work. Many agree. Many disagree. Now we wait and see. If it fails and we spend the next 3 years in economic trouble you know exactly what the republican's platform for 2012 will be.

Politicians in general incite fear. That's how they pass shit that no one in their right mind would WANT to pass, shitty laws, bills, etc. that screw everyone except the handful of people they benefit. People being afraid, flustered, panicked, etc. is exactly what every politician wants, so that you'll then think they're your savior by "taking the bad stuff away" through bills that actually make it all worse. The Patriot Act and this recent spending bill as well as the TARP fund, etc. were all established through this course of action.

Why the fuck people are still bickering as if one political party is actually looking out for us and the other isn't is beyond me. The only thing about you they care about is your vote come election time and that you pay your taxes and spend spend spend your money.

Oh. . . and for the record anyone who listens to Rush Limbaugh for anything more than a laugh should take their shoe off and use it to smack themselves in the face over and over until they pass out.

Limbaugh is supposedly Mr.Conservative. He has railed against the Clintons for having a "sham" of a marriage and how they are disgracing the sanctity marriage, yet he himself has been married like 4 different times. I think his current wife may not even speak english Which is more of a disgrace to the sanctity of marriage, getting married and divorced several times or getting married once and sticking to it for better or worse?

Rush, like most conservatives, loves to preach about taking responsibility for your own action. That is a great idea. He has also railed against drug users as being the dregs of society and how they should take responsibility and turn themselves in. But when the drug addict is him and he is taking enough Hillbilly Heroin to tranquilize an African elephant and he sends his maid to buy him 5000 pills and she gets caught does he take responsibility? No. Does he do what he preaches and turn himself and serve the punishment for his crime? No. He lawyers up and shuts up and cuts himself a deal.

Rush has the credibility of a toothless meth whore who tells you if you give her $100 she will pay you back tomorrow.

is it really fear when the economy is very fucked up and not getting better.It seems I reads the news and every week a couple of banks are failing.More and more people are losing their jobs. All the numbers look really bad.
The right knows what he has to do and since he is doing it they are safe to attack. If tomorrow obama said I thought about it the republicans were right. Im not going to spend any money and let the business and banks fail if they are going to fail. We will let the free market reign. They would be shitting in their pants.

how many times do i need to keep saying YES???

my point is that Obama is doing the same shit people criticized Bush for doing. THE EXACT SAME THING. Bush did the same shit Obama is doing and so on and so on and so on.

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And I guess my point is that it is too soon to consider Obama a fear monger.

Bush was right to talk about terrorism and convey fear and the seriousness of terrorism right after 9/11. When he continued to do it every chance he had for 7 more years it went from being topical to being fear mongering and using that threat whenever it was convenient.

Obama is using fear for the stimulus package because it is a very real and present danger. The question we don't know is if it works (or at least partially works) will he continue to go back to this well down the road?

I think being serious about a current situation is fine. When it gets out of hand is when it becomes the cornerstone of your policy. It is too soon to know if Obama will be that way or now.

He is painting banks and businesses failing as the huge problem that will seriously fuck us up when the real issue is our monetary system - we're printing money that we don't have to fix all these issues, bailing out businesses that dug their own holes, people that lived beyond their means, etc. until what will eventually happen? The rest of the world will realize that we're creating more and more money from thin air and will start seriously devaluing the dollar, at which point we'll be absolutely screwed for a long time. It's actually really amazing given the kind of money we've already thrown at banks that this hasn't already happened.

Obama is trying to treat a bullet wound with a band-aid (there's probably a better analogy than that). Seriously though, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, the TARP, this stimulus package...all of it happened through inciting fear first. Obama didn't just say we have serious economic issues that need to be fixed - he essentially made it seem like if the stimulus package wasn't passed that the REAL problems would begin. But oh yea, the real problems have already been happening and will continue to happen with the stimulus not doing a damn thing to solve them. The one good thing the bill would have done, capping executive pay, got quietly removed before it was signed. I wonder how many average Americans even know that after the public display of politicians doing the right thing and adding that in the bill prior to it being taken out. This is the kind of sick shit they're doing.

I hadn't seen anything about the executive pay cap being removed before signing. Where did you see this?

Calling Rush confused is way too kind.

Okay, who wouldn't like to see a Sumo match between Limbaugh and Sharpton? COMEDY GOLD.

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What is amazing is how ready people are to believe his lies without even taking a minute to look at the details or consider the implications.