You mean like bush did with the tarp? OR when he told us Bin laden die or alive or when he said iraq had wmds? You all talk, what would you want them to do? Do you really understand the situation we are in? Do you actually read the news and see whats going on out there? Would you rather they did nothing,let it all fail and then you would see what going to shit is really like.
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You're taking this bill politically when it's actually a economical bill lead by experts in their domains. The right wich had a pretty good plan failed, and badly... They let criminals and greedy people ruin their system, and now they have no idea how to fix it. Time to try something else, or let the financial system collapse.Originally posted by rayadp05Comment
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Rush is a big fat pig wind bag and only the lowest part of the gene pool understands what he is saying.No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
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Sort of revisionist history there. The country supported Bush after the attacks. His approval rating was nearly 90% when the Afghanistan war started and over 60% when the Iraq war started. He was given the benefit of the doubt. The public turned on him when they realized that Iraq was never a threat and the was was completely pointless.
If in a couple years we look back and see that there was nothing to be worried about, people have every right to call Obama a fearmongerer and whatever else. But to act as though the public didn't give Bush the benefit of the doubt is revisionist history.Comment
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Rush needs to just get back on abusing prescription drugs and STFU! He's a fat douchebag but if the idiotic republicans want to make him their defacto leader then more power to them. They have become a circus-like party. Last week it was Bobby "the Exorcist" Jindal that came off sounding like Kenneth the page. What a joke.Comment
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FACT... Bush used the rhetoric that if we don't do something right now, more attacks will come, we have no time, we need to make drastic changes etc etc etc - forget afghanistan then... think about The Patriot Act.
FACT... Obama used the same scare tactics and rhetoric saying we have no time to even so much as read or debate the planets largest spending bill ever because they economy is on the verge of going into an "irreversible" recession
simple point - two presidents using the same scare tactics to push through an agenda. thats all. you can argue the same points for either side. people refuse to admit or accept it because at the end of the day, politics is all about "us against them" and the "us" and "them" are just two sides of the same coin.Comment
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it's totally baffling that people think that voting on the worlds largest spending bill ever without debating or even so much as reading it is ok.
if you were liberal and it was a conservative president you would be throwing a fit about the exact same thing and crying about how totally insane and irresponsible it is.Comment
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That's fine, I was just taking exception to the comment that everyone bashed Bush when he was doing this stuff. The wars and the Patriot Act were put through when Bush had a lot of support. I think the big difference at this moment is that Bush ended up lying about his dire rhetoric (particularly with Iraq). It's yet to be seen yet if Obama is lying about how bad the economy is and how bad it needs his plans. We'll find out in the coming years and judge him the same way we judged Bush.Comment
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It happened just a few months prior. Remember the $750b bailout that went to company executives to throw lavish parties all week-end?
You're all upset that we are upset with Bush for pulling these stunts and not Obama. We're upset that Rush (and you even) are upset with Obama for pulling these stunts and not Bush.
You're trying to agree with everyone by arguing with them. Seriously. Politics is a tough topic to have a normal enough conversation about without you confusing the matter this much.
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