[Labret]

Cant you just be man enough to admit that you have no idea why we let you live?

Americans work so you can sit on your ass and make traffic scripts for tgp kiddies. Money well spent. Thanks Israel.

XXXManager

Pleasurepays

"respect the differences in cultures and religions"

what the fuck are you smoking? do you have any clue about the history of Isreal and the conflict?

how many Arab states acknowledged Ireals existence? Iran, Jordan, Syria, Egypt etc tried twice to wipe Isreal off the map in a VERY traditional "We must kill all Zionist pigs" assualt. Is that the "respect" you refer to?

[Labret]

Why did they try and do that?

Pleasurepays

i know where you are going to go with this. the basic fact is that the UN established the State of Isreal after WWII. Thats a fact. Everything aftwards is just a big mess of racial and religious hatred. Isreal however, unless you can prove otherwise was definately the first to be attacked. All neighboring countries vowed to destroy them and began to mobilize right up until the point that Isreal pre-emptively took them out.

its all one long pathetic arguement about who did what to who first, but the simple fact is that it is still rooted in the religious hatred and intollerence of one side.

i am quite sure that as a Liberal, you feel that a person detonating a bomb on a bus and killing innocent men, women and children is nothing more than an issue of sefl expression and should be protected at all costs.

but all arguements about the middle east revolve around taking different issues out of context.

Brown Bear

An interesting phenomenon that happens on GFY: Eventually all threads end up as a discussion/rant/argument about Isreal.

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[Labret]

One side?

Can I post some examples of Israel / Judaica intolerance?

digi

..or about who did what in the ww2

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Mark

Umm.. how many US presidents were assassinated by americans?


Last I checked Israel had not made any decision to 'remove' arafat - maybe some people call for that but you know what? I think that falls under 'freedom of speech' which strangely enough is not very popular in Iraq or the Palestinian Authority. But even if Israel does decide to remove him - so what? Why should Israel not deport a known terrorist? What would YOU do? Suck his dick and bend over while he fucks you in the ass every day?

Israel IS a democracy.. there are arabs in the israeli parliament, there are arabs, beduin & druze in the israeli army, there are many arabs in israel and they all have full rights to vote in free and fair and open elections.. naturally they are all israeli citizens..

Arafat is not israeli, he is a terrorist leader, has been for decades, he has killed many americans as well as israelis and will kill many more if given the chance.. despite this he has been given every chance to form a peaceful, democratic state of his own but always he returns to terror.. he is a dictator like Saddam.. its no coincidence that he is good friends with Saddam.. they are both cut from the same cloth.. people like Arafat and Saddam need to be removed any way possible so that a new generation can take over and form democratic governments and then the world will be a safer place..


How do 'average americans' benefit from sending money to Israel? Well first of all most of that money is only for buying US weapons made by 'average americans' - the US government is basically providing employment for its citizens.. they also give billions to Egypt for the same reason..


Anyway, if america is forced to convert to Islam - look on the bright side.. you can all have 4 wives!

[Labret]

1 wife... is 1 wife too many.

And we have Mormons here. The Muslims of Utah.

[Labret]

I found this tshirt on my favorite news website, jpost.com



Dont worry America, Israel has our backs. I can sleep safe now.

I ordered this one.

Pleasurepays

I have read enough of your posts to know that you will indeed waste a tremendous amount of time searching out exceptions in a desperate attempt to disprove the general rule.

again... The UN established the State of Isreal after WWII.
No Arab country would recognize it as such
The neighboring countries made two attempts to destroy Isreal and failed only because the US had armed Isreal.

what do you want to prove? where on the timeline does an arguement become irrelevent? is something that happened 1000 years ago as relevent as something that happened in the last 100?

I am not Jewish. I am not even religious, but this whole middle east issue fascinates me. All these stick weilding, rock throwing dipshits rally behind terrorists and terrorist governments to destroy a race of people... then in the end are still bitching about the very situation that they created themselves.

You cant say that both sides want peace. I dont see any evidence that either side wants peace. But one defining difference between Isreal and the Arabs and Palestinians is that one side is a part of the modern world and a democracy... and the other side, namely Palestinians aligned themselves for 40+ years with a terrorist, terrorist groups and a terrorist leader. They kill innocent people and say "well, yeah ... its only because ...blah blah blah"

there is a reason the world is very unsympathetic to their cause. Palestinians dont hesitate to point out how bad they have it... when did they ask for help? The Palestinian Leadership are terrorists. The PLO is a terrorist organization. Arafat was the leader of Black September when they killed the 11 hostages at the 72 Munich games. It was people like you that granted them observer status in the UN with the Utopian notion that "we can all just get along".

Muslims dont want to get along with Jews. They dont want to get along with you. They want you dead. Doesnt that suck?

you want to argue that point? where is the muslim community when it comes to condenming the actions of Muslim terrorists based on Muslim beliefs? where is the Muslim community condeming Hamas and other terrorist groups? Who condemns Arafats own actions and his "up rising" backed by terrorists?

Its easy to look at everything on the surface and suggest that one side is seriously out gunned. There is a reason they are well armed... its because the surrounding Arab countries both pledged, then attempted to destroy Isreal more than once, in addition to the continued finance of terrorist activities.

why is it ok for surrounding countries to send mortors and AK-47's and less of a priority to build a school or a hospital.

there is an increasing one-sidedness in that whole issue and Muslim radicals are losing because the world does not agree with them. If the world does agree with them... where is the UN? where are governments stepping in and saying "hey, fuck this... we are going to send in peacekeepers and straighten this shit out"?

Palestinians and radical Muslims lost their audience long ago because of their behavior that continues to today.

is terrorism ok? or not ok?

answer that question first.

if you feel that there is anything that justifies blowing up a restaraunt full of children and women, then that would be the first place where we would part ways in our basic views of things.

there is no question to be answered of "why" do they do it. There will always be idiots with a reason "why". I think that first, that behavior has to stop before anything can be discussed.

if they dont want to discuss it based on todays principles of a civil society and want to base it on the laws of Islam and 2000 year old arguements about "sacred" sites where "infidels" should be killed or driven off of... then i say fuck it. turn them loose and let them finish one side or the other.

[Labret]

It becomes very relevant when the deeds of a 1000 years ago are what fuels the violence of today.



They created it? They said "hey Zionists, come on in and take my land". "Use terrorism to run out the British, and then you can turn on us after they are gone".



I dont think that both sides want peace. Both sides wants the other side gone. Dead gone.

Many of Israels prime ministers, and the IDF, were members of zionist terrorist organizations. The IDF sprang directly out of a terrorist organization.




And what exactly did the Hagganah and the Irdun become? And what members of the Israeli government were once members of these terrorist organizations?

http://www.jewishmag.com/9mag/irgun/irgun.htm



They shouldnt have to, and I understand why the average Palestinian wants me dead. If you supported the people who bulldozed down my house, I would want you and your children dead as well.



Do you live in the states? All they did for months after the bombing was try and convince the yahoos not to drive around and shoot at anyone who even remotely looked like an "Arab".

All day long... "not all Arabs are terrorists, not all Arabs are terrorists". Well no shit, thanks captain obvious. The fact that people needed to be told that tells you the level of intelligence we are dealing with here.




You cant be serious. You know why groups like Hammas became so powerful in Palestine? because they are the ones who came in and educated the children, built schools and hospitals. You do realize that Hammas and the PA are two entirely different entities correct? For someone so interested in the subject matter, you sure dont seem to have a very good grasp of this history of the subject.



The UN is always bitching at them for not paying attention.

Unrelated...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/wmid206.xml

"The declaration expressed deep concern about a "deterioration of the humanitarian situation" in Palestinian areas, condemned Jewish settlements there as "illegal" and urged Israel to refrain from "grave breaches" such as "unlawful deportation", "wilful killing" and "tor- ture".




Who was their audience to begin with?



Yes. My founding fathers used it quite effectively against the British and the Native Americans. It would be hypocritical for me to say, as an American, that terrorism is "bad". My founding fathers were terrorists. Errr... I mean "patriots".

You obviously watch too much American news media. And you believe it.

If there never would have been massive illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine post WWII, and the subsequent use of terrorism by the zionists, there would be no Israel.

So bitch all you want about terrorism. Israel is a land founded on terrorism.

Whats good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Push them into the sea. Kill them all.

UncleJimmy

Of course that is our official reason why we are their "to back a democracy' but can you really call or treat it as a democracy that believes it's ok to cut off water rights of some of it's inhabitants, bulldozes their houses that they've been living in for generations, etc? That's be like backing old Milosevic during his ethnic cleansing, because they were a democracy! LOL

Oh, and btw, if we weren't backing Israel with blind-allegiance we'd have plenty of other countries / allies in that region that would allow us to stage out of, btw we also have this niftly lil tool called aircraft carriers that do quite nicely....and long rang bombers that do a wonderful job.



Bottom line both parties in that region are fuckwits, the Israeli's have become more like the nazi's than they'd like to admit and the Palestinians are just plan wacky & pissed off.

I like one of my relatives idea, turn that country over to the Tibetan Buddists, they need a home, have been treated badly and can monitor both sides with impartiality... Thinking that two bad-kids in a tug of war over a small strip of land would work out ever is a freakin fantasy...

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directfiesta

Labret, couldn't have said it better and as accurate....

The US would have most Arabic and Muslims countries as friends if they did not support blindly the terrorist acts of the Israelis ( different then the Jews: one is a nation, the other a religion).

Terrorists??? When you bulldoze family houses because a terrorist ( no trials tough, just a unilateral declaration: you are a terrorist) lived there, that is inflicting fear and terror.
When you invade towns in the middle of the night and bomb houses where people lives, that is terrorism. When you "lock down" a whole area, cut off water, etc... that is terrorism as much as when Sadam was sending missiles on Israel. When you appropriate land that is not yours, and build on it, it is terrorism or even facism! Terror is terror, and terrorists are terrorists.

The difference is that Israel is militarely and financially suipported by the US, which makes the US an ennemy and a terrorist target.
That is why the Arabic and Muslims hate the US and other nations that support the US position on the middle east.

It hurts when you have a nailed planted in the sole of your feet, and unless you take it out and clean the wound, it is only going to get worts, till the feet rots away.... Take it out, clean the wound and it will be better. Sure, there is going to be a scar, and inconfort at the beginning, but it will go away. Better than doing nothing.

Peace is the only solution to this conflict, before it spreads like a wound, and it is not with statment from the past and soon to be again premier of Israel such as "I will deport Arafat" that will get things better.

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directfiesta

?????? so

Warphead

Well in the name of peace, I for one am converting.

A salami I like 'em!

Mark

Pleeaassse wake up for fucks sake! Think about what you just said and think about such an alternate reality.. let me paint you a picture..

Israel doesn't exist..

What does exist is a middle east entirely dominated by dictators, absolute monarchs, meglomaniacs.. (as it is now with the exception of israel), billions of arabs & muslims living in poverty (as they do now) all living in fear of their leaders who never tolerate any kind of opposition or free speech..

The US is great friends with these regimes, supports them financially, militarily, does lots of business with them, makes the dictators richer..

All those impoverished, desparate, angry arabs will look for a target to vent their fury on.. an easy target.. one that wont arrest and execute entire families for the 'sins' of one.. guess who that target will be? That great democracy, the US of A..

Al Qaeda would still exist, they would still attack you.. the only difference is there is no Israel between the western world and 'the bad guys'. Al Qaeda's stated aim has always been to destroy the US - long before they ever talked about israel..

The fact of the matter is that the US has already supported ALL the corrupt and dictatorial arab regimes at some point in time and this is why they are hated! Do you really think a billion arabs all over the middle east give a fuck about israel or a handful of palestinians? Fuck no! Most of them probably don't even know where israel is! They care about the food on their table, the roof over their heads, their freedom or complete lack thereof and the US supported regimes that oppress them.

Actually this was a tactic first introduced to palestine by the british, israel just decided to continue the fine tradition.. if you can't stop your kids from strapping a bomb to their ass and blowing up a load of innocent civilians then accept the consequences.. you reap what you sow..

Probono

Sad that this has become a anti-Israel diatribe. Israel was not an issue to Bin Laden until he realized it would get him some milage in the anti semetic community. Bin Laden is really against the Saudi Royal family and wants an Islamic Republic of Saudi Arabia.

That is a scary prospect. Billions in oil revenue to help expand his self rightous interpretation of Islam. He is dangerous, as are all of the other players using this issue for their own agendas including Bush, Sharon, Hussain et al.

Islam preaches brotherhood with the other Abrahmic religions, Christianity and Judism. It is only fanatics with their own agendas who pervent the Koran to justify their actions.

If the world become independent of oil no one would care what happened in the middle east.

XXXManager

Mainly because they are fucken hate mongers and stupid - a concept so unfarmiliar to you

EscortBiz

who said so?

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directfiesta

Explain what was your point :

Quote:

So many hightech products you use come from israel most net security products come from there

End of quote.

BTW, I dont think I use any product like that, so clariify and let me know what this makes th esituation acceptable to you.

Bobo

Maybe these new 'Al-aeda threats' are more American propaganda.

Oh, so now all US allies are now targets...sounds like a good way to get allies to back a US war. Now that we're all potential targets we'll gladly help the US eradicate 'terrorism' wherever the US finds it. lol

Probono

LONDON, England -- Three men are to appear in court on charges reportedly linked to alleged plans to release a chemical gas on the London Underground.

The men, believed to be from north Africa, were arrested last week and remanded in custody after an initial court appearance.

They are due to appear again before Bow Street Magistrates, central London, on Monday under the Terrorism Act 2000.

The case came to light following a report in the Sunday Times newspaper which said that the men were plotting to release poison gas, possibly cyanide, during rush hour on a train in the London Underground, known as "the tube."

It said the three were believed to belong to the North African Front, a terrorist organisation linked to al Qaeda.

gothweb

Quite the opposite. Threatening anyone who joins the US in this War is more likely a way to keep people from aligning themselves with the US. How does it push people to align with the US? I know the recent threats against the UK have helped the "don't help the US" factions here...

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Labrat and the fiesta guy - you bring back my old beliefs that there is still hope ants will one day outsmart the human kind.
Fiesta - you are watching too much Egyptian, Dubai and Al-ghazira TV. Let me assure you its not a Jewish custom to drink young christian (or arab = new version) kids blood.. [I could be lying though ]
Final line.

Israel is a shining beacon of light in the Middle East.
ALL other regimes in the Middle East are dark evil regimes (who happen to be Muslim --- but dark regardless) that are better gone or changed rapidly or deeply. People should find better ways to live than in dark countries like that.
Israel is a democracy - a concept so fragile in this world - especially in the Middle East. Israel is backed by US weapons and smartly so. US interests dictate that and will always do. It?s a good thing and Israel is happy with it.
As to US being good friends with shitload of Arab-Muslim countries because of their backing of Israel - A lot of tourists in Bali and their families from many countries - are happy with their so good friendship with Muslims and Arab countries and regimes. A lot of Australians who never backed Israel are dancing joyfully with the all-mighty - celebrating their friendship with the Arab world (that is a black humor if someone failed to notice).
By all standards - Israel is a free country - democracy. A nation which has mourned the death if Yitzhak Rabin, the death of 9/11 (labrat - even the none-Jews) and the death of President Sa?adat (yes ? a Muslim Arab). It?s in the capacity of Israelis ? you see.
Israel is full with good people. Israel is full with smart people (smart enough to take labrat tax money ? though I don?t think one pays tax if got no income ? right?). Israel is full with compassionate people. Indeed, there are some evil, stupid, dumb-ass mother fuckers as well, but while we live in a democracy ? nothing can be done against those.
Israel is often short of actively defending herself ? due to many political pressures. Israel should take down (and I don?t mean exile ? I mean through full use of the nifty American weapons) Arafat?s regime including all surrounding supporting mechanisms. The fact that the government fails to do so pisses a lot of democratic voters in Israel who wish otherwise and comforts some other voters who believe otherwise (but still get butchered ? like the two 4-5 y/o kids living in a peace supporting Kibutz alongside with their mother, by a Arab/Muslim ?peace loving? ?freedom-fighter? with an American M16 gun from close range). But it also fills Israelis with a feeling of trust in their country that sometimes you think before you act ? even if the inactive conclusion may sometimes prove over the long-term as a mistake.
Labrat ? you have very little time to try to convince your president and 70% of your fellow ?average? Americans that taking out a Muslim Arab country leaver (Sadam) is a bad move towards the friendship you are so much craving for. Good luck. God help you avoid one-sidedness and two-faced hypocritical behavior.

UnseenWorld

Am I the only one who thinks it's time for someone to read the riot act when it comes to signatures again? I guess these guys with the gigantic signatures must think the rest of us are idiots for not having big ones, eh?

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UnseenWorld

Hmm, they are about to become like the old South Africa, a country in which an ethnic minority rules the majority. In not too many years, the muslim (mostly Arab) population will outnumber the Jews, and the question is what will happen then? I'm betting that the Jewish minority will find some way to stay in power.

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Probono

LONDON, England -- Three men are to appear in court on charges reportedly linked to alleged plans to release a chemical gas on the London Underground.

The men, believed to be from north Africa, were arrested last week and remanded in custody after an initial court appearance.

They are due to appear again before Bow Street Magistrates, central London, on Monday under the Terrorism Act 2000.

The case came to light following a report in the Sunday Times newspaper which said that the men were plotting to release poison gas, possibly cyanide, during rush hour on a train in the London Underground, known as "the tube."

It said the three were believed to belong to the North African Front, a terrorist organisation linked to al Qaeda.

UnseenWorld

I was talking about this with a friend today. The faction of Islam that's being threatening won't be satisfied with anything less than total victory over the (nominally) Christian world. If we stamp them out, we'll turn most of the resto of Islam against us. It looks like total eradication is the only situation that isn't lose-lose.

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[Labret]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...st_1&printer=1

WASHINGTON - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) denounced Israel as an expropriator of Arab land and said it must give up "nearly all of the territory" for peace with the Arabs.

Annan, in a speech at the University of Maryland, also accused the Israeli government of imposing "condition upon condition" to block peace negotiations.

Palestinian farmers have been shot dead by extremist settlers intent on robbing them of their olive harvest and are trying to drive them off the land to which the Palestinians are entitled, Annan said Wednesday.


Shine on beacon of light... shine on.

[Labret]

XXXManager

I must admit - I read far more devastating pieces of news in my life.
Kofi Anan is a sad joke - leading an even sadder joke of an organization. There is nothing sadder than a coalition of nations headed by a looser like this. UN - organization which head of security council is a country which is an active supporter of Terror - and which is on the "axis of evil" as your own president and country has stated. You are one bright fella to take his words as the truth dude

"Palestinian farmers have been shot dead by extremist settlers intent on robbing them of their olive harvest and are trying to drive them off the land to which the Palestinians are entitled"
As matter go - Settlers are even a sadder joke than Kofi Anan, UN, CNN or even you mr. LabRat.

""imposing "condition upon condition" to block peace negotiations. ""
Peace negotiations
Goddamn - how self-delusioned people can be.
By the way - how well did the peace talk of 9/11 ended? I haven't been following the news.

Just note - if you lack the distinction - Settlers NOT EQUAL Israel. Regardless of that strange admittion - Kofi will keep on beeing a Joke, UN will keep on being a joke, CNN will keep on being a joke and you will ....

[Labret]

I admit, the UN is a joke. They created Israel didnt they?

The organization that created you is the organization that criticizes you. I find it more than mildly ironic.

XXXManager

Scary - isn't it?
BTW - I hear the same is soon to happen in Sweden too - even sooner.
Anyway - thx for the confidence I assure you, we will. Israel is a home for the Jewish people - Israelis or not - and as long as not won by force will stay so indefinite. But regardless of you honost and sincere concerns, matter of fact is Israel is a democracy. Hard to digest I know - but it is.

XXXManager

Hehe, Well... Things change you know...
I am sure you were once a cute little baby

Darin

4 wives? lmfao!

I have to agree 1 wife is 1 too many, I can't imagine 4 wives. Thats one crappy week each month per wife.. hmmm nooooo!

Whoever made the 1 wife laws here in the US was obviously married, I have to give him credit on that one (or her, hmm).

But 4 mistresses would be nice

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ColKurtz

"US owns Isreal, but the maintenance costs outweigh the benefits of ownership. "

I'd say the jews own america, and they are just spending their own money, and the white mans blood.

directfiesta

Interesting logic.... The Brits were doing it, so it is OK to do it...

Does this also applies to:

- The south of the US ( known as "Bible Belt") : the whites use to lynch blacks, so we will continue the fine traditions...
- Germany: the Germans used to gas Jews, so it is OK to continue "this fine tradition"
- The US during "colonisation": we used to exterminate "Indians" ( today know as native americans), so it i s ....
- South Africa: in your deep[ thinking, whites ( Afrikaneers) should continue to massacre, rape, torture, emprison blacks ....

Nice going.... Glad I am no were near you....

BTW, why don't you take over the backyard of your neighboor.... He must have sopmething you do not like...

Mark

ICQ came from Israel, Odigo also, many Intel processors designed & built in israel..

Nice try.. first I was educating you on some history of the region.. second I said when people strap a bomb to themselves and murder hundreds of people they deserve what they get.. You cannot compare lynching of people for no reason, gas millions for no reason etc etc with striking back at terrorists with everything at your disposal. Actually Israel doesn't strike back with anywhere near everything at its disposal.. not yet anyway but..

Mark

Naa its not so bad once they all get synchronised.. only 1 shitty week per month and thats the week you go on a 'business trip'! ;)

Think about the benefits.. 4 people you can send out to work while you sit back and count the money.. 4 full-time nannies to make sure you never have to deal with the kids.. plus there's always the group sex thing.. ;)

the real magoo

In Sweden?? Why is that?

XXXManager

Simple demography.
The little authorities are willing to admit...
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2002/13983.htm
"The exact number of Muslims is difficult to estimate; however, it has increased rapidly in the past several years. The number provided by the Muslim community is approximately 350,000 members, of whom around 100,000 are active. Muslim affiliations are represented among immigrant groups are predominantly with the Shi'a and Sunni branches of Islam. There are mosques in many parts of the country."
What this report fails to mention - like so many EU/European countries is the illegal muslim immigrants - the growth rate and birth rate of Muslims in sweden and the fact that muslims tend to get married with locals and the kids are almost always muslims when even one of the parents are muslims.
Scary (especially if you are in sweden) - Isn't it?

directfiesta

Pretentious ... I don't need you for my education. ,, or brainwashing

Isn't that your actual philosophy about Muslims: because they are Muslims, they "spread" in Sweden without ( your) control, etc... we shall exterminate them, Seems borrowd from Hitler.

And was is really strang is that Muslims and Jews are both a religious entity that spread across the world ;

Since you are so educated, Hitler's theory was exactly yours: they take to much place in our lives, they don't belong here, so we will take their assets, and implement the "final solution".


But you are probably right as always, so let's fucking kill them all and it will be over .... till next etnnic group.


By the way, the subject was not Israel, bit the fact that the US are targeted by a terrorist group and why they are ....


Marck and XXXX with the fucking huge inflated signature, the board is all yours now. You have exterminated me *** lol ***

directfiesta

What's scary is that there could more like you.... You are replicating the exact philosophy of Adolf Hitler
Read "Mein Kampf" or inform yourself before enticing people to religious cleansing....http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t049/t04961.html

Brown Bear

My biggest problem with muslims is that they don't believe in drinking/partying and their views on women and sex are fucked up.

I will like muslims again when they admit the following:

1) Drinking and partying is fun.

2) Sex is good and the female body is a beautiful thing.

Christians have the same fcuking stupid ideas as well, fortunately most people who consider themselves christian are really slack with their faith. Must be nice to be able to fuck up as much as you want and god will always forgive you.

I love you Jebus!

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