Pleasurepays

I have read enough of your posts to know that you will indeed waste a tremendous amount of time searching out exceptions in a desperate attempt to disprove the general rule.

again... The UN established the State of Isreal after WWII.
No Arab country would recognize it as such
The neighboring countries made two attempts to destroy Isreal and failed only because the US had armed Isreal.

what do you want to prove? where on the timeline does an arguement become irrelevent? is something that happened 1000 years ago as relevent as something that happened in the last 100?

I am not Jewish. I am not even religious, but this whole middle east issue fascinates me. All these stick weilding, rock throwing dipshits rally behind terrorists and terrorist governments to destroy a race of people... then in the end are still bitching about the very situation that they created themselves.

You cant say that both sides want peace. I dont see any evidence that either side wants peace. But one defining difference between Isreal and the Arabs and Palestinians is that one side is a part of the modern world and a democracy... and the other side, namely Palestinians aligned themselves for 40+ years with a terrorist, terrorist groups and a terrorist leader. They kill innocent people and say "well, yeah ... its only because ...blah blah blah"

there is a reason the world is very unsympathetic to their cause. Palestinians dont hesitate to point out how bad they have it... when did they ask for help? The Palestinian Leadership are terrorists. The PLO is a terrorist organization. Arafat was the leader of Black September when they killed the 11 hostages at the 72 Munich games. It was people like you that granted them observer status in the UN with the Utopian notion that "we can all just get along".

Muslims dont want to get along with Jews. They dont want to get along with you. They want you dead. Doesnt that suck?

you want to argue that point? where is the muslim community when it comes to condenming the actions of Muslim terrorists based on Muslim beliefs? where is the Muslim community condeming Hamas and other terrorist groups? Who condemns Arafats own actions and his "up rising" backed by terrorists?

Its easy to look at everything on the surface and suggest that one side is seriously out gunned. There is a reason they are well armed... its because the surrounding Arab countries both pledged, then attempted to destroy Isreal more than once, in addition to the continued finance of terrorist activities.

why is it ok for surrounding countries to send mortors and AK-47's and less of a priority to build a school or a hospital.

there is an increasing one-sidedness in that whole issue and Muslim radicals are losing because the world does not agree with them. If the world does agree with them... where is the UN? where are governments stepping in and saying "hey, fuck this... we are going to send in peacekeepers and straighten this shit out"?

Palestinians and radical Muslims lost their audience long ago because of their behavior that continues to today.

is terrorism ok? or not ok?

answer that question first.

if you feel that there is anything that justifies blowing up a restaraunt full of children and women, then that would be the first place where we would part ways in our basic views of things.

there is no question to be answered of "why" do they do it. There will always be idiots with a reason "why". I think that first, that behavior has to stop before anything can be discussed.

if they dont want to discuss it based on todays principles of a civil society and want to base it on the laws of Islam and 2000 year old arguements about "sacred" sites where "infidels" should be killed or driven off of... then i say fuck it. turn them loose and let them finish one side or the other.