CBC Passionate Eye - The Third Tower. 911 Doc.

[Martin]

Tonight at 10pm EST the CBC is airing a documentry on the collapse of tower 7 on 9-11
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/pass...thethirdtower/

Looks interesting and something most news stations shy away from.

[pornask]

Looks like it might be an interesting stuff to watch.

[PXN]

It's the holiday, I don't feel like reading something sad.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by pornask

Looks like it might be an interesting stuff to watch.

Well the CBC is known for doing very good documentaries on these tough subjects. No hype, no spin.

[The Duck]

No spin huh? For starters it's produced by the BBC. Second I found this little text on the bottom of the page you linked: "9/11 Conspiracy Files: The Third Tower is directed by Mike Rudin, and produced for the BBC, part of a series investigating and debunking widely held conspiracy theories, while also exploring the inconsistencies and holes in the official accounts."

So this documentary is not neutral it has the agenda of debunking the conspiracy theories.

[The Duck]

And here we have BBC reporting the collapse of wtc 7 20 minutes before it actually happened. Strange huh.



"Part I: BBC World reports the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building (WTC 7) while it is clearly still standing outside the window behind the reporter (tall building on the right). They also give a time reference that is 23 minutes before the actual collapse. As the reporter keeps talking to the studio anchor and the time approaches the actual collapse, her feed cuts out to the BBC studio (approx. 5 minutes before).

Part II: In the BBC's explanation for their 23 minute advance warning of the Salomon Brothers Building (7 WT) collapse, they said that they cannot make any determinations regarding the broadcast because they have "lost" the footage. They went on to specifically mention BBC News 24 as the only remaining footage, but said that it did not clear matters up either way.

This is the BBC News 24 clip--notice the time stamp. A quick check of World Time Zone shows that the time shown: 21.54 on September 11, 2001 is British Summer Time, which is exactly 5 hours later than Eastern Time (NY). The time stamp reveals that this was being broadcast at 9:54 pm in the UK--4:54 pm in New York. The official time of collapse for the Salomon Brothers Building was 5:20 pm. In trying to explain the BBC World advance notice of collapse (23 min.), they inexplicably led people to the News 24 footage which reported the collapse 26 min. in advance of the actual collapse.

Now given that BBC World, BBC News 24, and CNN all reported the collapse well ahead of time, the question is: Who fed them the information ahead of time?"

And here is CNN reporting the collapse 1 hour before it happened:



Looks like someone sent out the premade press releases a wee bit early. Of course nothing to worry about, move along.

[The Duck]

Now watch this and insult your own intelligence by claiming there is nothing fishy going on here.

[WarChild]

Yes Kandah, the crazy, BBC got a call ahead of time from the conspirators in the goverment just to make sure they'd have the information ahead of time. I mean, once you put it that way, it only makes sense.

[The Duck]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Yes Kandah, the crazy, BBC got a call ahead of time from the conspirators in the goverment just to make sure they'd have the information ahead of time. I mean, once you put it that way, it only makes sense.

Can you provide an explanation that makes sense please. How could they know it was going to collapse, just plain guessing? First building like this to collapse due to fire ever and they foresaw it, man I wish these guys would send me some sports betting tips.

[jwerd]

Originally Posted by kandah

Can you provide an explanation that makes sense please. How could they know it was going to collapse, just plain guessing? First building like this to collapse due to fire ever and they foresaw it, man I wish these guys would send me some sports betting tips.

Some people will be sheeple, Kandah... nothing more...

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by kandah

Can you provide an explanation that makes sense please. How could they know it was going to collapse, just plain guessing? First building like this to collapse due to fire ever and they foresaw it, man I wish these guys would send me some sports betting tips.

Just use some damned logic for a second.

If you're organizing a conspiracy against your own country, you don't go and give news stations a heads up warning. What purpose could it possibly serve? Just answer that. Why would you do it? It could only hurt your cause, it can not help you.

So what you're saying is one of the best organized most secretive conspiracies of all time included calling news stations to give them advanced warning of something they will clearly be able to see for themselves shortly.

You honestly think it makes more sense that the BBC was cut in on this so called conspiracy than the BBC simply made a mistake?

Here Obama tells us about his Muslim faith, yet he's not Muslim. Is he telling us he really is Muslim or did he make a mistake?

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by lamerhooD

Some people will be sheeple, Kandah... nothing more...

Oh yes, here we go, calling people "sheeple".

Did you ever even for a brief second stop to think about that? You're implying people are blind followers. Here's the rub though. You didn't coin this modern usage. You are, in fact, simply following the herd. Ironic, don't you think?

Moron.

[jwerd]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Oh yes, here we go, calling people "sheeple".

Did you ever even for a brief second stop to think about that? You're implying people are blind followers. Here's the rub though. You didn't coin this modern usage. You are, in fact, simply following the herd. Ironic, don't you think?

Moron.

And so are you bro, just in the opposite way

[HorseShit]

Originally Posted by PXN

It's the holiday, I don't feel like reading something sad.

[Malicious Biz]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Oh yes, here we go, calling people "sheeple".

Did you ever even for a brief second stop to think about that? You're implying people are blind followers. Here's the rub though. You didn't coin this modern usage. You are, in fact, simply following the herd. Ironic, don't you think?

Moron.

Just go along with what they say without question, you fucking sheeple.

[DaddyHalbucks]

The Nova documentary on the Twin Towers' collapse does an excellent job debunking the US government conspiracy nonsense.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Yes Kandah, the crazy, BBC got a call ahead of time from the conspirators in the goverment just to make sure they'd have the information ahead of time. I mean, once you put it that way, it only makes sense.

I'm watching it now. I'll make my decision after.

[Phoenix]

i took the blows....and did it myyyyyy wayyyyyy

[Malicious Biz]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...rd+tower&hl=en

[Phoenix]

hmm fire expert is saying...the fire wasnt hot enough to do jack


weird

[Phoenix]

pull it....pull it

3.5 billion reasons to shut up

[Malicious Biz]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

pull it....pull it

3.5 billion reasons to shut up

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

[Phoenix]

hmm demolition expert...who sounds dutch...says controlled demolition...no way around it.

then when told it was on 9/11 he tried to back peddle...but still hs to make the joke like whoever laid the charges that day..in just 7 hours from first plane strike....worked hard..lol

he must be an idiot as well...total fool who doesnt know what he is talking about

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

i just heard silverstein say in his own words


to pull it

you dont say pull it referring to people..you say..pull them out...or get the out of there.


building 7 came down because it was the one that had to go down
look who was working there...offices investigating the sec....the bush family etc etc

secret service doing investigations on powerful people

all im saying is...history repeats itself...and this is a direct slap in the face and no one blinks an eye

[Phoenix]

one point for the antis...the windows werent broken all around other buildings

[WarChild]

Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

The reasons are as follows:

1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.

2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.

3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.

4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)

[Malicious Biz]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

i just heard silverstein say in his own words


to pull it

you dont say pull it referring to people..you say..pull them out...or get the out of there.


building 7 came down because it was the one that had to go down
look who was working there...offices investigating the sec....the bush family etc etc

secret service doing investigations on powerful people

all im saying is...history repeats itself...and this is a direct slap in the face and no one blinks an eye

Yeah, because fire chiefs have a long history in the building demolition biz

Listen how dumb you are.

Silverstein's Quote:

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, he was talking to the fire commander

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, both are not in the demolition business

Silverstein's spokesperson, Mr. McQuillan, later clarified:

"In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building."

He could be lying, right? But here is the corroborating evidence...

"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...2_WTC_GRAPHIC/
Banaciski_Richard.txt

Here is more evidence they pulled the teams out waiting for a normal collapse from fire...

"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...2_WTC_GRAPHIC/
Nigro_Daniel.txt

"Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area -- (Q. A collapse zone?) -- Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed." - Chief Cruthers

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...12_WTC_GRAPHIC
/Cruthers.txt

"Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 [o'clock], that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, [we've] got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there. (Q. Initially when you were there, you had said you heard a few Maydays?) Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much [expletive] fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed.... Basically, we fell back for 7 to collapse, and then we waited a while and it got a lot more organized, I would guess." - Lieutenant William Ryan

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...12_WTC_GRAPHIC
/Ryan_William.txt

"Firehouse: Did that chief give an assignment to go to building 7?

Boyle: He gave out an assignment. I didn?t know exactly what it was, but he told the chief that we were heading down to the site.

Firehouse: How many companies?

Boyle: There were four engines and at least three trucks. So we?re heading east on Vesey, we couldn?t see much past Broadway. We couldn?t see Church Street. We couldn?t see what was down there. It was really smoky and dusty."

"A little north of Vesey I said, we?ll go down, let?s see what?s going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what?s going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn?t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn?t look good.

But they had a hoseline operating. Like I said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back too. Then we received an order from Fellini, we?re going to make a move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because the building didn?t look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn?t really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I?m standing next to said, that building doesn?t look straight. So I?m standing there. I?m looking at the building. It didn?t look right, but, well, we?ll go in, we?ll see.

So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandies came running up. He said forget it, nobody?s going into 7, there?s creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.

Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?

Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we?ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9.../gz/boyle.html

[WarChild]

It's funny how people like Kandah and Phoenix reject any evidence anyone presents but are plenty willing to make the leap over single words someone said. It's amazing actually.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

Yeah, because fire chiefs have a long history in the building demolition biz

Listen how dumb you are.

im sure you meant to say...listen to how dumb you are.

anyway...im not here to argue

you have all the answers....good for you

go buy something

[hershie]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

one point for the antis...the windows werent broken all around other buildings

Yeah I guess you do come up with only ONE POINT when you ignore all the others and stick to your lunatic beliefs rather than obvious facts.

[Malicious Biz]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

im sure you meant to say...listen to how dumb you are.

anyway...im not here to argue

you have all the answers....good for you

go buy something

Yes, because "pull it" could only mean he was telling a fire commander to destroy a building... because you know.. that's what the fire department does and has explosives on hand at all times cause you never know when the owner of a building will request you to demolish a building. right? Jesus fuck.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by WarChild

It's funny how people like Kandah and Phoenix reject any evidence anyone presents but are plenty willing to make the leap over single words someone said. It's amazing actually.

nothing any person has said to me has swayed my thoughts on the subject.

and the evidence you are referring to...maybe if any examination of the rubble had been permitted we wouldn't be in this position now.

biggest fuckup ever...and no one is allowed to do one scientific study of the rubble...it is packed on barges and sent into obscurity.


so you dont have any hard evidence to point to...all either side has is expert opinion which is tossed aside by either side and will continue to do so for 50 years or more.

i bet this is looked back upon as one major fuckin mess by future generations.

[After Shock Media]

Lets say it was a controlled demolition. Lets say people did hijack the planes and sacrificed everyone to pull of their plans. Lets say it was a missile and not a plane that hit the pentagon and they blew the plane up elsewhere and killed everyone. Lets say some of the media had some advanced notice of some sort and that they are fantastic actors and actresses. Lets say it is all true - Conspiracy theorists are right.

Now what? You have same evidence as you always had but you just know your right, now what?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by hershie

Yeah I guess you do come up with only ONE POINT when you ignore all the others and stick to your lunatic beliefs rather than obvious facts.

im happy that you are so sure in your beliefs
it must be comforting

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Lets say it was a controlled demolition. Lets say people did hijack the planes and sacrificed everyone to pull of their plans. Lets say it was a missile and not a plane that hit the pentagon and they blew the plane up elsewhere and killed everyone. Lets say some of the media had some advanced notice of some sort and that they are fantastic actors and actresses. Lets say it is all true - Conspiracy theorists are right.

Now what? You have same evidence as you always had but you just know your right, now what?

exactly...now what...nothing so why bother

it would take 5 generals to march on washington to clean up the mess there.

they could stop by ottawa and calgary and kick those guys in the nuts as well

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

exactly...now what...nothing so why bother

Well aren't we an apathetic little cunt

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Ethersync

Well aren't we an apathetic little cunt

i bet i know you outside of your fake nic

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

i bet i know you outside of your fake nic

I bet you don't. In fact I can guarantee it.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Ethersync

I bet you don't. In fact I can guarantee it.

that makes me happy then

enjoy posting two word replies...and chiming in your two cents everywhere

ciao

[Quagmire]

You know who took down building 7?

Plain and simple - tube sites.

End of story.

[Quagmire]

dup'd post. ugh

[Martin]

They left out so much and never really covered anything at all. It was pretty disgusting to be honest. If I had family or friends that died in 9-11 I'd be sick to my stomach watching that.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by kandah

No spin huh? For starters it's produced by the BBC. Second I found this little text on the bottom of the page you linked: "9/11 Conspiracy Files: The Third Tower is directed by Mike Rudin, and produced for the BBC, part of a series investigating and debunking widely held conspiracy theories, while also exploring the inconsistencies and holes in the official accounts."

So this documentary is not neutral it has the agenda of debunking the conspiracy theories.

Yeah turned out not to be a CBC doc like I thought.

[potter]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

nothing any person has said to me has swayed my thoughts on the subject.

That wasn't the point. The point is, this was your big theory and fact: he said "pull it". That's it. Two words, taken out of context. TWO WORDS.

When other people have provided very long logical explanations from various sources. Using the same text taken in context, reviewed by numerous people.



If you want to be Mr. Conspiracy Theory. Then you should at least play on a level ground. Have your facts straight, and actually use relevant information. Your argument is so minuscule you aren't even at straw man level yet.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by potter

That wasn't the point. The point is, this was your big theory and fact: he said "pull it". That's it. Two words, taken out of context. TWO WORDS.

When other people have provided very long logical explanations from various sources. Using the same text taken in context, reviewed by numerous people.



If you want to be Mr. Conspiracy Theory. Then you should at least play on a level ground. Have your facts straight, and actually use relevant information. Your argument is so minuscule you aren't even at straw man level yet.

Bingo. People like Kandah can't possibly hold their arguments to the same level they hold others to, because it just falls apart on the face.

Here's a good example:

Originally Posted by kandah

No spin huh? For starters it's produced by the BBC. Second I found this little text on the bottom of the page you linked: "9/11 Conspiracy Files: The Third Tower is directed by Mike Rudin, and produced for the BBC, part of a series investigating and debunking widely held conspiracy theories, while also exploring the inconsistencies and holes in the official accounts."

So this documentary is not neutral it has the agenda of debunking the conspiracy theories.

So if you set out to debunk the official account of what happened, you're an open minded individual seeking out the truth. On the other hand, if you set out to debunk a conspiracy theory, then you can just easily be dismissed as not being neutral.

[HorseShit]

are you people really discussing this shit again? lol

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by potter

That wasn't the point. The point is, this was your big theory and fact: he said "pull it". That's it. Two words, taken out of context. TWO WORDS.

When other people have provided very long logical explanations from various sources. Using the same text taken in context, reviewed by numerous people.



If you want to be Mr. Conspiracy Theory. Then you should at least play on a level ground. Have your facts straight, and actually use relevant information. Your argument is so minuscule you aren't even at straw man level yet.

well hopefully you understand that what i feel about 9/11 doesnt center around some old geezers two words....his slip up is just one of the many facets in a very confused situation

if they had done some scientific examination of the debris...we wouldnt have to wonder what made the towers fall through steel instead of falling over through air

anyway....im done in this thread...and will try to stay away from these threads in the future...it isnt worth the aggravation...and truthfully i dont give a flying fuck what anyone thinks anymore.

[The Duck]

We can argue about this and that and never get anywhere. The most damning evidence is the many videos of the collapse. Just look at the footage, does that look like something caused by fire?

Why was the wtc 7 collapse completely ommited from the 911 commision report? Did they think the whole ordeal would just fade into the shadows?

You dont have to be an expert on anything to say something is wrong here, all you need is an open mind and a small amount of common sense.

Read this letter from architechts and enginners for 911 truth in response to the 7 year in the making, 10 000 page NIST wtc 7 report and the NIST fairy tale will soon be worth as much as the toilet paper you just used to wipe your ass when you went to the bathroom.

This guy also has a pretty good take on it:



When looking at information regarding 911 I have always gone with the stuff that has made sense to me, and yet to this point none of the debunkers or official stories have resonated with me in that respect.

[tony286]

Like Richard Lewis said I hope I live long enough when the real books in 40yrs come out to tell us what really happened.

[The Duck]

Originally Posted by tony404

Like Richard Lewis said I hope I live long enough when the real books in 40yrs come out to tell us what really happened.

By then, it will be too late.