GFY rule 3: "do not post people's personal information, or attack people personally"

[DWB]

I think there is a banning in order. A few of them.


Basic Rules of GFY

3. Anything goes, except do not post people's personal information, or attack people personally, stick to the issues.

[d-null]

doesn't the intent of that mean people's home address and phone number, that kind of thing?

public court records of people that are in a position of trust wouldn't be covered by that I wouldn't think?

[Barefootsies]

Many of them.

[Tempest]

It has been shown time and time again that personal information is "private" information, not what's publicly available... Jeez you've turned into a crybaby DWB..

Hey.. since you know Glen at I$ so well, how about answering the question in this thread.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=875365

[Blingbaby]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I think there is a banning in order. A few of them.


Basic Rules of GFY

3. Anything goes, except do not post people's personal information, or attack people personally, stick to the issues.

Why stop at banning? Castrate the bitches!

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Tempest

It has been shown time and time again that personal information is "private" information, not what's publicly available.

We'll see.

Originally Posted by Tempest

Hey.. since you know Glen at I$ so well, how about answering the question in this thread.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=875365

Why would I do that? It's none of my or your business what his (or any of you) real name is or isn't or what he has or has not done in the past.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Why would I do that? It's none of my or your business what his (or any of you) real name is or isn't or what he has or has not done in the past.

So basically:

1. you were talking out your ass when you said you get to know the people you work with very well. So IS it your business to know who you're truly doing business with or not?

2. It's him and so you won't say so.

3. well nothing really since if it wasn't you would have said so allready since it's clear you're defending him.

What's with all this smoke screen crap from you?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Tempest

So basically:

1. you were talking out your ass when you said you get to know the people you work with very well. So IS it your business to know who you're truly doing business with or not?

I can call anyone I do business with and often do. What his/her birth name is of no concern to me should they use another "Stage name" as so many in our industry do, including me. I respect a persons privacy, as should you.

Originally Posted by Tempest

2. It's him and so you won't say so.

What I'm saying is that displaying anyone real name here is out of line unless that person lists it her on their own. It is not up to you or me who has their real name listed here. What better off will any of us be if we find out that is or is not his name? Who cares? re you going to tell me that GFY is full of good Christians who have never had any run-ins with the law in some form or another? Hardly. This industry was started by the fucking mafia, why is everyone surprised when they find out someone here has a criminal history?

Originally Posted by Tempest

3. well nothing really since if it wasn't you would have said so allready since it's clear you're defending him.

I'm defending a friend who is being personally attacked. If you have a problem with the company, attack the company and not the man.

[pocketkangaroo]

So whether or not someone has been charged with credit card fraud is of no importance to others who may do business with them? Next you'll tell me that it's irrelevant if your babysitter was charged with child molestation in the past since it's disrespectful to their privacy. Or whether your financial adviser was ever charged with criminal theft.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

So whether or not someone has been charged with credit card fraud is of no importance to others who may do business with them?

Has he been? You can confirm this? Is that what is going on now and you can prove it? Can you back up with hard proof everything he is accused of?

Didn't think so.

Enjoy your bandwagon ride while it lasts.

I'm finished wasting my time with sheep and witch hunters. I won't be replying anymore to this thread. Enjoy your hunt.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Has he been? You can confirm this? Is that what is going on now and you can prove it? Can you back up with hard proof everything he is accused of?

Didn't think so.

Enjoy your bandwagon ride while it lasts.

I'm finished wasting my time with sheep and witch hunters. I won't be replying anymore to this thread. Enjoy your hunt.

I have no dog in the fight, but this is fairly incriminating.

http://www.ftc.gov/os/1998/10/permftc.903.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/os/1998/03/ncmg.fnl.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/05/ncmg3.shtm

[Princeton Cash - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Wow

But have you seen my sig??


Shes converting like crazy

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

It's none of my or your business what his (or any of you) real name is or isn't or what he has or has not done in the past.

umm i think you are speaking from the heart not your head. Thats a silly statement. If someone was convicted of credit card fraud and they are now processing credit cards AND you work for them, i think common sense says you should at least CONSIDER this information.

If you needed a babysitter and your neighbour told you your babysitter had been convicted of molesting children , are you telling me his real name and his past are his own private info and you dont need to know ?

[The Duck]

They do enforce it. Some scammer posted my full name, adress, all the details basically and when I mailed the mods about it they took action and removed it.

[Supz]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I won't be replying anymore to this thread. Enjoy your hunt.

You started this thread. Why would you start the thread. Say something you know people are going to argue with you about. Then say you aren't wasting your time. If you don't have time to waste. You probably shouldn't have started this thread.

[tony286]

Its honorable you protecting someone who pays you.

[cykoe6]

I personally think people's real names and addresses should be kept off the boards under all circumstances.

[nolongerexists]

so its the same person?

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I personally think people's real names and addresses should be kept off the boards under all circumstances.

For the most part it is. I believe the exception is when that information is already publicly available through whois or public records.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I'm defending a friend who is being personally attacked. If you have a problem with the company, attack the company and not the man.

I don't want to start a fight with you, but first you say adult biz is about money ... and that's it ... and now it is about friendship. Cool to be your friend, but you contradict your own ideas at the moment ....

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

For the most part it is. I believe the exception is when that information is already publicly available through whois or public records.

Almost all personal information is available through whois or public records. Putting the persons name and address on a public board puts it in Google. I am sure there are arguments either way but I personally am opposed to doing that to people on a public board.

[SteveHardeman]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I think there is a banning in order. A few of them.


Basic Rules of GFY

3. Anything goes, except do not post people's personal information, or attack people personally, stick to the issues.

Banning? I think DukeSkywalker deserves an award. Seriously. If he weren't already rich I'd send him some money and a plaque in reward for his efforts. We can call it the "Matt Drudge Award For Heroism in Porn Journalism." A "Drudgy" if you will. A statue of a scamming paysite's owner with a webmaster's head up his ass and a bunch of other webmasters trying to pull the other webmaster's head out of the ass. Pretty cool.

It's fucking about time someone called out the bullshit in this way.

I wish people would think of this industry as a whole instead of doing and supporting whatever lines their own pockets at this specific moment. Supporting $100 PPS, the money you're making now is simply pre-payment on the money you're going to lose later when people are too afraid to join a porn site because of their past experience.

Use common sense people. How is it possible to make a profit paying a $100+ commission on a $30 sale without fucking over SOMEONE? It's NOT. You really think their members area is SOOOO freaking incredibly awesome that people are tripping over themselves to join more and more of their websites, promoted within the original website's members area, that typically have nothing to do with the niche of the site they did join? Seriously!?!?!?? Especially sites that got bought out 4 months ago and haven't had one new scene added to them since?

In my opinion, these companies are simply paying you $100 for someone's valid credit card information. Nothing more than that. Might as well just start a non-porn site that's hosted outside of the United Sates and states plainly that you pay $100 commission for every sucker's valid credit card info you can provide. At least that would be slightly more honest. Why parade as a porn site trying to do the same thing.

When people worry only about themselves, then all they're good for is governor of Illinois. In my opinion, they're not welcome in this business as they are stealing nice, horny unsuspecting porn surfers from honest smut-peddlers like myself, Duke, Sherm, and hundreds, if not thousands, of others.

I know we're smut-peddlers, but c'mon, "do unto others, mother fuckers"

It is 100% inevitable that these crazy payouts are going to go away. CC companies and disgruntled surfers will make it so. I just hope it's sooner rather than later.

[tony286]

Man Steve is shining today.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I personally think people's real names and addresses should be kept off the boards under all circumstances.

posting what is availible on google is no different than posting a myspace page.

If someone posted private info that wasn't availible to the public, I agree with you. But, if you name is right there on google, for something you did and got in trouble for it, it's a matter of public record, or it wouldnt have been released in the first place.

I didnt post anyones name. I merely posted public documents.
Duke

[DeanCapture]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

posting what is availible on google is no different than posting a myspace page.

If someone posted private info that wasn't availible to the public, I agree with you. But, if you name is right there on google, for something you did and got in trouble for it, it's a matter of public record, or it wouldnt have been released in the first place.

I didnt post anyones name. I merely posted public documents.
Duke

Whaaaaats up Dooky?

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

Banning? I think DukeSkywalker deserves an award. Seriously. If he weren't already rich I'd send him some money and a plaque in reward for his efforts. We can call it the "Matt Drudge Award For Heroism in Porn Journalism." A "Drudgy" if you will. A statue of a scamming paysite's owner with a webmaster's head up his ass and a bunch of other webmasters trying to pull the other webmaster's head out of the ass. Pretty cool.

It's fucking about time someone called out the bullshit in this way.

I wish people would think of this industry as a whole instead of doing and supporting whatever lines their own pockets at this specific moment. Supporting $100 PPS, the money you're making now is simply pre-payment on the money you're going to lose later when people are too afraid to join a porn site because of their past experience.

Use common sense people. How is it possible to make a profit paying a $100+ commission on a $30 sale without fucking over SOMEONE? It's NOT. You really think their members area is SOOOO freaking incredibly awesome that people are tripping over themselves to join more and more of their websites, promoted within the original website's members area, that typically have nothing to do with the niche of the site they did join? Seriously!?!?!?? Especially sites that got bought out 4 months ago and haven't had one new scene added to them since?

In my opinion, these companies are simply paying you $100 for someone's valid credit card information. Nothing more than that. Might as well just start a non-porn site that's hosted outside of the United Sates and states plainly that you pay $100 commission for every sucker's valid credit card info you can provide. At least that would be slightly more honest. Why parade as a porn site trying to do the same thing.

When people worry only about themselves, then all they're good for is governor of Illinois. In my opinion, they're not welcome in this business as they are stealing nice, horny unsuspecting porn surfers from honest smut-peddlers like myself, Duke, Sherm, and hundreds, if not thousands, of others.

I know we're smut-peddlers, but c'mon, "do unto others, mother fuckers"

It is 100% inevitable that these crazy payouts are going to go away. CC companies and disgruntled surfers will make it so. I just hope it's sooner rather than later.

But note: I didn't post anyones name
College taught me at least that much
Duke

[SteveHardeman]

I'm pissed off. Just do the right thing. I know we're smut-peddlers but at least don't fuck one another. You know? Honor amongst theives?

Of if you are going to have scam-bastards in the industry, at least don't blatantly let them spew their garbage on the best adult webmaster forum on earth.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

I'm pissed off. Just do the right thing. I know we're smut-peddlers but at least don't fuck one another. You know? Honor amongst theives?

Of if you are going to have scam-bastards in the industry, at least don't blatantly let them spew their garbage on the best adult webmaster forum on earth.

dont give out that boards name its against the rules here. lol

[Sands]

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

I'm pissed off. Just do the right thing. I know we're smut-peddlers but at least don't fuck one another. You know? Honor amongst theives?

Of if you are going to have scam-bastards in the industry, at least don't blatantly let them spew their garbage on the best adult webmaster forum on earth.

You have an awesome looking site, and I wish I had amateur traffic to send to it.

[RobertD]

Originally Posted by tony404

dont give out that boards name its against the rules here. lol

Beat me to it.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

posting what is availible on google is no different than posting a myspace page.

If someone posted private info that wasn't availible to the public, I agree with you. But, if you name is right there on google, for something you did and got in trouble for it, it's a matter of public record, or it wouldnt have been released in the first place.

I didnt post anyones name. I merely posted public documents.
Duke

Agreed. If it is already on Google then it is clearly public info.

[SteveHardeman]

Originally Posted by tony404

dont give out that boards name its against the rules here. lol

While I often get pissed off at the volume of non-business related threads and the lack of controls by the mods that allow unreasonable PPS sponsors to peddle their snake-oil on here, and the lack of controls by the mods to allow owner's of programs with 100% stolen content to show up here and attempt to buddy up to the people they steal from, I cannot deny that GFy is the most active and best adult webmaster forum on the planet. I'm just doing may part to help it stay that way.

[tony286]

Like Ive said on here before about you. Steve is one of the good guys.

[SteveHardeman]

Originally Posted by Sands

You have an awesome looking site, and I wish I had amateur traffic to send to it.

I appreciate the kind words. I sincerely do.

Thankfully, I make enough already to keep food in my fridge, a roof over my head and my cock buried in a 18 year olds ass every week. All I ask is that you don't promote programs that don't make sense. $100 commission on a $30 sale does not make sense.

[Sands]

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

I appreciate the kind words. I sincerely do.

Thankfully, I make enough already to keep food in my fridge, a roof over my head and my cock buried in a 18 year olds ass every week. All I ask is that you don't promote programs that don't make sense. $100 commission on a $30 sale does not make sense.

I'm a revshare guy. No trials, no cross-sells, no bullshit.

[PXN]

I think GFY should add rule #6:

If you or your business committed fraud or promote shady business practice you are so fucking banned.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

I appreciate the kind words. I sincerely do.

Thankfully, I make enough already to keep food in my fridge, a roof over my head and my cock buried in a 18 year olds ass every week. .

That's what I'm talking about!....Keep your fridge full and your dick wet...

You really appreciate it when it's snowing outside and you're looking out of the window from your warm cozy home eating a bowl of cereal thanking the Lord for the internet and porn.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by PXN

I think GFY should add rule #6:

If you or your business committed fraud or promote shady business practice you are so fucking banned.

But then there would not much of a board left. When you consider illegal tube sites, GF sites, pre-checked x-sells, questionable or stolen content etc. and everyone who is involved as either a principal or an affiliate I would guess that would be at least 90% of the actual webmasters on this board.

[TheDoc]

hahaha, a banning... funny stuff, funny stuff.

[Phil]

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by camokat

rofl ...

[SteveHardeman]

I would like to keep this thread on the front page for awhile. Highly informative.

[Robbie]

Yeah, we're all making lots of money from this thread...not. But it's better than the usual stupidity of "Look what I'm eating today" or "I just shit my pants" GFY, is there any business left to do out there? Or is it just attacking and/or "witty" posts left here?

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

[qxm]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

ohh shit

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, we're all making lots of money from this thread...not. But it's better than the usual stupidity of "Look what I'm eating today" or "I just shit my pants" GFY, is there any business left to do out there? Or is it just attacking and/or "witty" posts left here?

It's just attacking, and usually by the same few people that probably don't even send a hit of traffic to the the party they are attacking. I'd love to have a look in a few of their closets, but it's tough to do when they choose to register 100 fake nicks and remain anonymous.

I'm not defending Incredible Dollars, and I don't do business with them or send them traffic, but I would personally wait to see if NATS refuted them before making judgment. The problem with bandwagons is when people start jumping on them against you it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, you are always wrong.

Again, I would love to have a look in some of these other bandwagon jumpers closets. After 10+ years running adult bookstores and strip clubs I bet I have a longer arrest record than most of GFY combined. That being said you would be hard pressed to find anyone that says I'm shady. A lot of people got hammered in the credit repair business, and it wasn't always because they were doing something fraudulent...

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

It's just attacking, and usually by the same few people that probably don't even send a hit of traffic to the the party they are attacking. I'd love to have a look in a few of their closets, but it's tough to do when they choose to register 100 fake nicks and remain anonymous.

I'm not defending Incredible Dollars, and I don't do business with them or send them traffic, but I would personally wait to see if NATS refuted them before making judgment. The problem with bandwagons is when people start jumping on them against you it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, you are always wrong.

Again, I would love to have a look in some of these other bandwagon jumpers closets. After 10+ years running adult bookstores and strip clubs I bet I have a longer arrest record than most of GFY combined. That being said you would be hard pressed to find anyone that says I'm shady. A lot of people got hammered in the credit repair business, and it wasn't always because they were doing something fraudulent...

I agree with ya. The government pretty much targets people as it sees fit. If you pay the right people you get by (you probably know that from the strip club biz and adult bookstore biz...you gotta pay the sheriff every week to stay in business).

Who the fuck knows what the real deal was then...10 years ago? Let's see...10 years ago I was starting an online content company, running my tgp's and worrying about the dialers and the pop-up window shit that was "killing" the "industry"

I don't quite understand what all this hoopla accomplishes for anybody. Obviously there is some bad blood between Duke and Glenn. But that's none of my business. One thing is for sure, all this "investigating" didn't do anything. It didn't make one person here one red dime. Just a big waste of time.

"No Robbie, we have to know these things about people in order to make judgements on how to do or not do business with them."

Fair enough. Now you know. Make YOUR decisions and drop the drama. I made right at 100 grand with Incredible Dollars this year. I know what my decision is. And I know that I'm a revshare guy all the way...always have been. And quite frankly feel that the percentages I am paid by programs are too high. Running a paysite myself I can flat tell you that 50% of a sale going to an affiliate is going to leave me about nine dollars out of a $34.99 sale (we don't do trials) That sucks!

Anyway, that's just my two cents. I've always been paid on time. RARELY see any chargebacks. And if others don't want to promote Incredible Dollars then that's a positive for me because it means MY sales will go up. So by all means...everybody make their decisions. And realize that everybody has a reason to post the things they do on threads like these.

For some, they are just trolling and having fun. For others, it's to make themselves look better in comparison. I just know I'm busting ass to make a living. Hope all of y'all are doing well and keeping your head above water and prospering and not spending too much time on drama over shit from a decade ago.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

Use common sense people. How is it possible to make a profit paying a $100+ commission on a $30 sale without fucking over SOMEONE? It's NOT. You really think their members area is SOOOO freaking incredibly awesome that people are tripping over themselves to join more and more of their websites, promoted within the original website's members area, that typically have nothing to do with the niche of the site they did join? Seriously!?!?!?? Especially sites that got bought out 4 months ago and haven't had one new scene added to them since?

In my opinion, these companies are simply paying you $100 for someone's valid credit card information. Nothing more than that. Might as well just start a non-porn site that's hosted outside of the United Sates and states plainly that you pay $100 commission for every sucker's valid credit card info you can provide. At least that would be slightly more honest. Why parade as a porn site trying to do the same thing.

ok enough is enough with your shit im tired of reading that shit
1) I$ doesnt pay $100 they pay $50...big difference
2) I have revshare sponsors I make $80 /signup with...do they scam someone? no! is it possible to pay $50 pps without fucking someone over? yes...does I$ do it? i dont know
3) All I$ sites have matching content and it fucking awesome content....they update their network daily with EXCLSUIVE content which i cant say about many programs with their shity dvd content and/or no stills pictures and/or low quality vid... no offense but its time you jump off this wagon...spewing bs left and right.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

ok enough is enough with your shit im tired of reading that shit
1) I$ doesnt pay $100 they pay $50...big difference
2) I have revshare sponsors I make $80 /signup with...do they scam someone? no! is it possible to pay $50 pps without fucking someone over? yes...does I$ do it? i dont know
3) All I$ sites have matching content and it fucking awesome content....they update their network daily with EXCLSUIVE content which i cant say about many programs with their shity dvd content and/or no stills pictures and/or low quality vid... no offense but its time you jump off this wagon...spewing bs left and right.

Did you read the ftc docs?
common oralce, you are smarter than that..
Duke

[SteveHardeman]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

ok enough is enough with your shit im tired of reading that shit
1) I$ doesnt pay $100 they pay $50...big difference
2) I have revshare sponsors I make $80 /signup with...do they scam someone? no! is it possible to pay $50 pps without fucking someone over? yes...does I$ do it? i dont know
3) All I$ sites have matching content and it fucking awesome content....they update their network daily with EXCLSUIVE content which i cant say about many programs with their shity dvd content and/or no stills pictures and/or low quality vid... no offense but its time you jump off this wagon...spewing bs left and right.

OP, you're someone I respect so I'll listen to your opinion and process it for awhile. Right now, I disagree with you though.

And I am going to stop spewing my message but not because you asked but because I got so little done yesterday concentrating on this crap that I realize I can't do it on a daily basis. Costs me too much. Duke has tons of cash, I'll let him do his thing alone for awhile. :-)