Why do hosts ass rape you for collocation? - GoFuckYourself.com

crockett · 12-10-2008, 06:18 AM

I was looking at some local collocation solutions in the Orlando area and I just don't get why these guys will ass rape you on a Colo set up then turn around and sell you a dedicated server for a cheaper price.

First they want to charge a min of $50 a U for the rack space, so that can easily end up being $100/ month just for that. Then they want to charge $98 per mbps. I mean WTF is that shit?

10 MBPs would be a fucking grand a month.. so you are talking $1100 to collocate a server , meanwhile you could get a server they supply for around $300/month. It just doesn't make any fucking sense.

Can anyone explain why hosts do this, because it's not just one company, it seems to be the norm? It would seem like a collocation would be a great thing for a host because once the server is there they don't have to do shit but collect the money. If it fucks up it's your dollar not theirs..

Cyandin · 12-10-2008, 06:23 AM

We normally charge $100/u, including power, and bandwidth at $10/mbps or less. Who in their right mind really thinks someone would pay $98/mbps? LOL

crockett · 12-10-2008, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyandin

We normally charge $100/u, including power, and bandwidth at $10/mbps or less. Who in their right mind really thinks someone would pay $98/mbps? LOL

These guys do it seems...

http://www.marlinesolutions.com/colocation.php

Starting at $99 per Mbps

? 1 - 5 Mbps $99 per Mbps
? 6 - 9 Mbps $95 per Mbps
? 10 - 19 Mbps $89 per Mbps
? 31 - 50 Mbps Contact Us
? 51 - 100 Mbps Contact Us
? 101+ Mbps Contact Us

pornguy · 12-10-2008, 06:30 AM

Keep looking. There are plenty of places out there.

To me, now days with the servers having dropped in price so much that the hosts mostly have all up to date stuff, I dont see a reason for a colo unless you have a guy in the area thats going to go from time to time to maintain it.

darksoul · 12-10-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

These guys do it seems...

http://www.marlinesolutions.com/colocation.php

Starting at $99 per Mbps

? 1 - 5 Mbps $99 per Mbps
? 6 - 9 Mbps $95 per Mbps
? 10 - 19 Mbps $89 per Mbps
? 31 - 50 Mbps Contact Us
? 51 - 100 Mbps Contact Us
? 101+ Mbps Contact Us

thats pretty cheap.
see here http://www.swiftwill.com/dedicated.html prices "as low" as $300/Mbps

What usually happens, although not your case, with hosts that started a hundred years ago is they still have some old suckers paying them prices from 10 years ago.
So if they were to update their prices they'd have to cut everyones' price down which would be a loss for the company.
Thats why they don't update their pages/prices.
You just need to hit them up to get the real prices.

crockett · 12-10-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Keep looking. There are plenty of places out there.

To me, now days with the servers having dropped in price so much that the hosts mostly have all up to date stuff, I dont see a reason for a colo unless you have a guy in the area thats going to go from time to time to maintain it.

Well the problem is I don't burn a ton of B/W, but I have a bunch of sites and scripts I need to run. No one wants to give you a quad core with a bunch of ram and HD space, if you aren't buying a lot of B/W, so I end up having to use several low end el cheepo servers. I'd rather just build my self a good server and stick it somewhere local.

Cyandin · 12-10-2008, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

These guys do it seems...

http://www.marlinesolutions.com/colocation.php

Starting at $99 per Mbps

? 1 - 5 Mbps $99 per Mbps
? 6 - 9 Mbps $95 per Mbps
? 10 - 19 Mbps $89 per Mbps
? 31 - 50 Mbps Contact Us
? 51 - 100 Mbps Contact Us
? 101+ Mbps Contact Us

LOL - yeah, that's a total scam to preserve legacy customers pricing schedules from 1999. :P

Cyandin · 12-10-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Well the problem is I don't burn a ton of B/W, but I have a bunch of sites and scripts I need to run. No one wants to give you a quad core with a bunch of ram and HD space, if you aren't buying a lot of B/W, so I end up having to use several low end el cheepo servers. I'd rather just build my self a good server and stick it somewhere local.

Hit me up on icq, and let me know how much bandwidth you'll be needing. I'm sure we can work out a good deal for you. Plus, I'll give you the GFY special and charge you LESS than $98/mbps.

Khesser · 12-10-2008, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Well the problem is I don't burn a ton of B/W, but I have a bunch of sites and scripts I need to run. No one wants to give you a quad core with a bunch of ram and HD space, if you aren't buying a lot of B/W, so I end up having to use several low end el cheepo servers. I'd rather just build my self a good server and stick it somewhere local.

Hit me up on ICQ or email me, I might be able to help you out.

Kevin

seeandsee · 12-10-2008, 08:26 AM

Some Hosting plans are still in 1999

Spudstr · 12-10-2008, 08:28 AM

we charge 100-150u including power, space and 1Mbps. But this is depending on which datacenter you want to be in. Hey if someone wants their server to be local to them and they don't have to fly to one of the bigger cities or drive into a bigger city an hour or two away local colo pricing might seem fair to them

kicks · 12-10-2008, 08:44 AM

$99 per U includes power, 1 Mbps, KVM access and remote reboot

BUT we dont have a problem with getting you a Dell quad core with up to 32 GB of ram and large drives. You tell us what you want and think you need, you are the customer.

Tell me what you need.

Tell me what you want.

Also, while to some, those bandwidth rates are nuts, there are for sure areas that bandwidth is not cheap at all. Hard to imagine paying $140 per Mbps, but I had a well known bandwidth provider on a large commit quote that last week on one location. Shocking thing is they get it!

Good Luck

Sly · 12-10-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Well the problem is I don't burn a ton of B/W, but I have a bunch of sites and scripts I need to run. No one wants to give you a quad core with a bunch of ram and HD space, if you aren't buying a lot of B/W, so I end up having to use several low end el cheepo servers. I'd rather just build my self a good server and stick it somewhere local.

If you really insist on colo, you can either build and ship or pay the company to build one for you or pay another company to build the box and ship it to the company of your choice. Paying $100 per mbit is a little crazy and sounds like small business/mainstream prices... but $100 per unit is not out of hand. There is a lot more to it than throwing a server up in a rack and that's that... there is electricity fees, cooling, redundancies, the overall network infrastructure, security, space, etc. etc.

Brad Mitchell · 12-10-2008, 11:50 AM

$50 per U for space and power is a bargain... although, probably representative of a B or C grade data center. Those rates on bandwidth are obviously several years out-dated. Quality data center space and power continue to increase in cost, year after year.

Lastly, remember that the adult marketplace is routinely spoiled with low rates by comparison to mainstream hosting providers.

Brad

B2BwithJoeD · 12-10-2008, 12:51 PM

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LBBV · 12-10-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Lastly, remember that the adult marketplace is routinely spoiled with low rates by comparison to mainstream hosting providers.

Brad

True that.

About a month or two ago, I contacted Rackspace to get a price comparison, given that we do hosting in the same way that they do (we do everything for the customer). I told them I needed the following:

DualCore/1G RAM/2x160 SATA RAID 1 with 5 Mbps (we charge $199/month for this). The quote I received from them was almost $500/month with a $249 setup fee, and then they told me that backups would be an extra fee on top of that (which we also include at no charge).

-- Bill

doridori · 12-10-2008, 12:55 PM

what is the advantage of colocating ?

RyuLion · 12-10-2008, 01:03 PM

because that's how they make $$$..

webair · 12-10-2008, 01:16 PM

datacenter space is becoming a rare commodity. I can get you a full rack with 40 amp for a bit less than what you are paying there. Let me know if you are interested.

borked · 12-11-2008, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Well the problem is I don't burn a ton of B/W, but I have a bunch of sites and scripts I need to run. No one wants to give you a quad core with a bunch of ram and HD space, if you aren't buying a lot of B/W, so I end up having to use several low end el cheepo servers. I'd rather just build my self a good server and stick it somewhere local.

I was in the same position - I needed a powerful number and db crunching server, but pushing very little bandwidth (1-2mbps).

OC3 sorted me out with my crunching powerhorse and the bandwidth for a very good price.

Just explain your needs to the provider.... if they are worth their salt, they will accommodate you

Iron Fist · 12-11-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyandin

Plus, I'll give you the GFY special and charge you LESS than $98/mbps.

Wow... now that's some serious bro bizness going on right here!

fuzebox · 12-11-2008, 01:52 AM

I thought it was common knowledge that the "posted prices" on the website are not what you're expected to pay...

Pixelbucks Eric · 12-11-2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by darksoul

thats pretty cheap.
see here swiftwill.cm/dedicated.htmlprices "as low" as $300/Mbps

Lol have you got any idea how OLD that page is?

P3 machines with 20GB harddrives?

12-10-2008, 06:18 AM	#1
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,818	Why do hosts ass rape you for collocation? I was looking at some local collocation solutions in the Orlando area and I just don't get why these guys will ass rape you on a Colo set up then turn around and sell you a dedicated server for a cheaper price. First they want to charge a min of $50 a U for the rack space, so that can easily end up being $100/ month just for that. Then they want to charge $98 per mbps. I mean WTF is that shit? 10 MBPs would be a fucking grand a month.. so you are talking $1100 to collocate a server , meanwhile you could get a server they supply for around $300/month. It just doesn't make any fucking sense. Can anyone explain why hosts do this, because it's not just one company, it seems to be the norm? It would seem like a collocation would be a great thing for a host because once the server is there they don't have to do shit but collect the money. If it fucks up it's your dollar not theirs.. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator. Last edited by crockett; 12-10-2008 at 06:20 AM..

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pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	Keep looking. There are plenty of places out there. To me, now days with the servers having dropped in price so much that the hosts mostly have all up to date stuff, I dont see a reason for a colo unless you have a guy in the area thats going to go from time to time to maintain it. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

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kicks Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: state of missery Posts: 221	$99 per U includes power, 1 Mbps, KVM access and remote reboot BUT we dont have a problem with getting you a Dell quad core with up to 32 GB of ram and large drives. You tell us what you want and think you need, you are the customer. Tell me what you need. Tell me what you want. Also, while to some, those bandwidth rates are nuts, there are for sure areas that bandwidth is not cheap at all. Hard to imagine paying $140 per Mbps, but I had a well known bandwidth provider on a large commit quote that last week on one location. Shocking thing is they get it! Good Luck __________________ DanL Simply Great Hosting from RackCo icq 162154557

12-10-2008, 06:23 AM	#2
Cyandin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,723	We normally charge $100/u, including power, and bandwidth at $10/mbps or less. Who in their right mind really thinks someone would pay $98/mbps? LOL

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Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	$50 per U for space and power is a bargain... although, probably representative of a B or C grade data center. Those rates on bandwidth are obviously several years out-dated. Quality data center space and power continue to increase in cost, year after year. Lastly, remember that the adult marketplace is routinely spoiled with low rates by comparison to mainstream hosting providers. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

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12-11-2008, 01:52 AM	#22
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,227	I thought it was common knowledge that the "posted prices" on the website are not what you're expected to pay...