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http://www.gofuckyourself.com/member.php?u=6599 Harvey


He supposed to finish some work for me but does not answer ICQ or emails for the past week.

Deej

Harvey is the man!!! Last i knew he was having personal difficulties...

Im sure he will do his best to make due

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edit: oh wait, if Deej can vouch for him then nm....

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Deej

Well I certainly hope this turns out well - Harvey is a good dude and does good work. My best impression of him is that he will do his best to make things well... and the last time he was MIA was due to personal shit... I assume its the same...

As far as I know harvey, hes not one to tarnish his name or fuck someone over...

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well I hope hes ok and gets back to me as he does have my deposit lol

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hmm look like this guy is gone i guess

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maybe his internets broke

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Ketchup

Never got my $250 back from this scammer.

Harvey
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Check out Zuzana instead...or anyone else.

Deej

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isnt he doing consulting now...helping programs to double their income, etc?

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Sorry to hear that

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ouch that sucks dude

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harvey

wow... you're really something...

let's start by this:

http://fdsign.com/hotzoneescorts/

ouch... your finished design... yeah, you look "scammed"

but wait, there's more to it: I asked not once but TWICE a very simple question: "does your site use a MySQL database? If so, send me the user/pass" . You never got to me until a couple weeks later bitching (side note: not 1 month, not 2 months, not a year: a couple weeks and ON YOUR SIDE). I asked you AGAIN for that info and you told me that you'd give your design to Zuzana and you wanted your money back. So I explained to you that the deposit was non refundable, that I worked my ass on it with your changes and stuff and to make it worse, if you EVER sent me the info I requested I'd finish it in the same day and get the remaining money for an ALMOST FINISHED SITE. At that time, I was really ill (AS YOU KNEW) and you cried and cried so much that I told you I'd give you half of that (which you didn't deserve, but I really couldn't afford to hear people crying). 5 minutes later someone told me you were berserk posting in my threads calling me a scammer. So... let me see... you tried to ruin my business and reputation and you wanted to get paid for that? Are you serious?

Let's recap, step by step:
1) Design done
2) Info requested (not sent)
3) Info requested again (not sent and you bailed)
4) Me losing $250 for something that would take a couple hours of work
5) you crying. I tell you I'd give you half of that even when it wasn't appropriate
6) you calling me names
7) End of story. I lost $250 and I won't pay you another 250 on top of that.

How curious. I lose the money and I'm the "scammer". Sorry bwana, this little worker boy works for money. Work was done and not finished because of YOU. And on top of that, you calling me a scammer because I don't work for free? Are you fucking kidding me? Please explain me why in the hell wouldn't I finish something that could make me $250 for a couple of hours of work, I'm extremely curious since as much as I try can't find a logical answer.

This situation happened to me twice. Both times for lack of info or work on the client's side. Both times I was the one losing, however, in the other situation the other part finally realized he was being fucked by someone else. Either way I lost my time and money. Guess I'd need to charge 100% instead of 50%...

And finally... in 12 years this happened twice... and you think I'll scam someone and to make it worse for $250? Not even that, for $125 until you got idiotic 5 minutes later? Seriously? Are you on medications or something?



PS: Now I remember something: you told me you sent me a couple ICQs after I told you SPECIFICALLY not to contact me on ICQ since it's extremely unreliable. If that's your excuse... well, can be. Either way, the fault is in your side.


PS2: check what I did and what you have at http://hotzoneescorts.com/directory/index.php . Congrats on "saving" $250

PS3: despite me losing money BECAUSE OF YOU I won't say you're a scammer or call you names or anything just wishing you good luck with everything, and hope you grow up. I'm not even ask to get you banned, go figure. I'm really done with you.

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he was posting today

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1. I post on here asking for a designer , you reply. I tell you that I need the design integrated in to my escort site. You say ok You know everything....you have experience in all of this.

2. You say design will be done in 1 week

3. You ask for the MYSQL INFO just to download the DB. I tell you you do not need the DB access to work on the template.

4. You ask for 50% $250

5. After a week I contact you...no reply wait 3 days more you reply. You say you will show me the design. That is the design you show me

6. I say ok make it work

7. I say ok make it work

8. I say ok make it work

You do not reply to my emails
You stay away from the board
You say you do not get my ICQ

I post here looking for you

Then out of the blue you post about some random shit. I ask you for my money back as you did not skin my site you made some lousy template....you reply with some ridiculous BULLSHIT that I paid you $250 to make me a design. I paid you $250 as a deposit to make a desin and integrate it.

Scammer is right.


YOU DO NOT NEED ACCESS TO THE DB TO SKIN THE SITE. YOU FUCKING ACTUALLY WANTED TO DOWNLOAD THE DB.

It obviously got skinned and Zuzana made it work with out downloading the DB....what the fuck was wrong with you?


I see you posting months later and decide to call you a scammer....well deserved scammer

Ketchup

I made the fucking banner on your link asshole because you wanted to sell me this
http://zerofetish.com/harvey2.jpg

harvey

1) I asked for the info. you'd say (which you never didn't): It's not needed. Case closed.
2) yeah, I made that banner with a custom made image to avoid you getting in trouble because of copyright since you didn't provide any content (or requested info). you may have right to use the image you have now. you may not. Either way, you never provided it to me. So yes, sorry for trying to save you trouble, how do I dare...

anyway, enjoy your nice site, if you leave aside the empty spots, the non alignment, the countless errors, the 1999 look, the lack of layout, the lack of 2257 and so on it looks great

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and btw, yes, after working with names like Vivid, Bangbros, Epic Cash, Freakbucks, National Pornographic, Dawson Dollars, Fuck You Cash, Adult Players Club, Incredible Dollars, Hawgs Cash, Niche Service, Nylon Dollars, Rectal Revenue, Meatcash, ARS, Top Bucks, Tushy Cash, Latin Dollars, Webcams.com, Cams, Virgin (yeah the mainstream Virgin) and many many many others I decided to "scam" you as my grand finale. What an idiot...

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Ketchup

I said you didn't need any access to the MYSQL to skin a site you just needed the ftp access to get the templates...you acted like I was some kind of idiot.....you are somehow making it out to be my fault because I didn't give you access....I made it clear 5 times and now you are coming and saying you couldn't finish it without access. Its clear it can be finished without access. You just 1 either wanted the whole script or had no idea what you were doing.

Hey it's waay better than what I got from you
http://zerofetish.com/hotzone.html

Well ok heres one maybe you can outsource to this guy man...because he pretty badass Mike Flash http://zerofetish.com/mikeflash.jpg You couldn't even think up a banner and I still wanted you to finish it! You're the one who took off.


Anyways it hurts me to call you a scammer even after you take my money...you can see I gave you benefit of the doubt....look how I asked about you...I never called you any names at first...I even thought you were sick!

Oh ya btw you complain about ICQ A lot.......but thats what you have in your sig for all your spammy posts....might want to change that up and get your self a YAHOO or maybe MSN since it never works and is so "unreliable".

Ya I don't care who you worked with man

MoreMagic

Both designs look like shit. Both designers produced under there capability.

alan-l

First of all, I don't know all the facts. This being said, I'm sorryorry, but I find hard to believe Harvey scammed you, there are hundreds of people in this biz that worked with him, including myself, and I can't see why he would avoid working a few hours to get the complete payment, as he said.

What I can see is that you denied him info just to protect your database of 14 -fourteen- entries. And that ended with you going cuckoo and getting some absolute crap from someone else. You're a smart cookie, ain't you? Again, I don't know all the facts, but it looks like you scammed yourself, you're lucky Harvey isn't asking for you being banned

Ketchup

^ You dont know the facts. He said OK after I told him he couldn't have access to the MYSQL. This is not how the original site looked like. Check out his own reply....why the hell does he need the MYSQL? BS.

He said ok he would finsih it and disappeared!......this is not about the design. This is about him taking off. Why do you think I posted the topic? You reply really doesn't make any sense to me.

I wanted him to finish it even with the shit design...he took off!

Check his posts he didn't even post when I was looking for him....then up he pops.


Ban me ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING


Fuck ban me who gives a shit

The only reson I hired this guy was because he bragged he worked with all these people anyways.

peedy

Based on what I see, I would have to agree.

Deej

Designers dont ALWAYS design their best...

Perhaps their designs are based on the budget of the design...


because obviously both people can do way better...


I mean seriously people...

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on the design part, as you may imagine, this was done based on specific request. I told him it would look too overcrowded, but that's what he wanted. I made not 1, but 4 versions, and each one twice (black background/ white background) because he didn't know what he wanted other than black or white bg, which also means all elements have to be changed depending on black or white bg.

Then (this is what I forgot and checking mails I found it) he came with the real thing after this: after we agreed what would be the final version, he told me he wanted yet another one because in fact he was going to resell one design, hence why he posted (and now I see he deleted, lol) a version where the name was "Escort Directory Script" and the final version is "Hot Zone Escort". So, no problem with this, he wanted both logos/headers (which I did) and then got "disapointed" because I din't do a whole different design he could resell on top of what was agreed (for the same price). I told him I'd do the integration for 1 (one) design and that's it.

One day later I asked this (quoting the mail):

As you may see, it says IF SO, hence if I didn't need it he could just answer "no" and that's it. It's a lie he told me anything about any MySQL thing, he simply never answered the MINIMUM INFORMATION to install a script. Now that I check old mails and see he wanted to resell, it seems to me his client didn't provide him with the info or he didn't have any clue.

As Alan said: why the fuck would I want his whooping 14 entries database? (there were even less at that point, something like 6 or 7). Assuming I'd want something like that (WHY?) I could go to any escort site and download the whole site in 5 minutes. The final point on this is he didn't gave me any info to continue working and then I simply let it go, thinking he'd be busy or whatever. Then a couple weeks later he shown his real colors and here we are.

And yes buddy, I disappeared from GFY (and any other board) for several months, it was a whole conspiration that included 3 surgeries and chemotherapy and further treatment as many people here knows. I mean, the whole GFY was into this conspiracy which I organized to avoid getting my final payment. I'm weird and crazy and GFY followed me on that. Or... instead of getting into drama I preferred to let it go since my health worths more than the $250 you owe me.

And I never bragged about anything. My portfolio is at sight (plus many many many samples I show in private, as you saw) and you can see that, never mentioned those companies to you, you can see the work there, it's called an objective fact.

OK, enough fake drama, I'm back to work for real clients

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Ketchup

1.Your 4 versions are of the same design....WHO CARES about your design....the work wasn't to skin it it was to rearrange the whole css and skin it.....there is NO WAY you could have done it in a couple of hours....it's just not going to happen. I wanted the work done even with the design...not once did I say it was crap or anything. I asked if you could make a nicer one like in your port and you sent me the same design back...with a BLACK background! I said OK. I did ask you to change your header.....your header consists of some text......you are trying to say the delay was because of this change? It doesn't make sense! I asked you to make a nicer header and had to even make a header for you to show you.

2. Minimum information is I give you the script you upload it to your ftp and edit the templates. I gave you the FTP This is exactly what I did with Zuzana and Mike Flash.
What part did you not understand? You wanted the whole working script on your server....it wasn't going to happen. NOT ONE TIME did you say it was a problem



3. Looks Like I'm pretty nice to you in my ICQ



4.You say you sent serveral messages ....there was not one message.....only AFTER I post on here....do you bother to reply

Anyway I'm a resonable person and posted this topic asking where you were...you didn't send me any emails or ICQ or anything. All you gotta say is "I'm sick" and I'm cool with that.....You didn't take the 1 minute to send me anything. Only after I post you are a scammer after waiting a month......then you JUMP to send me a email...and your ICQ works too! Then all of a sudden you want to finish the work!


MY 2 "MAJOR" changes for you was you wanted to put IMAGES as TEXT for the nav bar I just wanted TEXT and a nice header......I might have asked you to include one more button and make it wider......this I don't even think is a crazy idea for any designer who has experience. These changes don't seem over the top to me.
If I knew that you thought using image buttons instead of text for a nav bar was a good idea I wouldn't have hired you in the first place

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unfortunate situation - Harvey is good people and there's no way he'd ever scam anybody, as a designer he's very creative and original. looks like a lot of miscommunication in this deal.

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Deej

well... to be fair about this statement... you have to have meaningful text as the link, not just common every day used words like home and contact... escorts might have done something for you. BUt i doubt it would improve your ranking simply by having your nav bar in text.

So... that means nothing really

I also wouldnt talk bad about anything Harvey does as far as his design goes...

Hes proven to be one of the best most creative people around here.

He has inspired a few of my own progressions in design.

lack of communication is no reason to spout off scammer...

250 for that design is cheap... you should feel lucky you got it at that price... not only that but you didnt pay in full anyway...

no one here is a scammer... but if there was a choice between you or harvey.... gonna have to say its you buddy..

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Ketchup

What are you talking about?????????

Where is the lack of communication? In the ICQ I say I want something like this
http://www.wyldesites.com/graphics/b...els2/main.html

Here gives me something like this
http://fdsign.com/hotzoneescorts/

I say can you make something a little differnt(thinking something high end like he stated himself
He gives me this
http://zerofetish.com/haveyblack.jpg

So I'm thinking OK I need this done and say OK finsih it....ask him to make it text buttons and he disapeears.....not complicated....where the fuck is lack of communication......the lack of communication is this guy decides he wants to not reply to my messages......you want to pin that ON me....what the fuck

BTW His price was $500 I don't hagle with people I said OK.

About the text thing....really I don't get why you don't understand that....maybe if every client spoke perfect English and was coming from Idaho then that would be great.....it's not about SEO....it says it clearly in my ICQ which I was gently trying to tell him. Its obvious you guys use this guy to build you TGP galleries or something because using images as text....makes no sense to me. How are you suppose to translate it?

I don't get your point it makes no sense and you calling me a scammer...well


You want to stand up for this guy fine because its me agasint all of you. But its clear he didn't finish the work when I asked him to......he took my money and I didn't get what i paid him for.....a design with integration. I got scammed.

jrex

i like this one http://www.wyldesites.com/graphics/b...els2/main.html

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why are you linking mike's work?

Deej

did i say it was YOUR lack of communication?

I said "a lack of communication is no reason to spout scammer" - read that a few times...

where did I place blame on you...

with the lack between you both... meaning the misunderstanding and the fact that harvey disappeared all together, not just from you...

You paid half... got about half... and youre screamin scammer...

the mother fucker had/has serious health issues and went on hiatus for awhile...

Get a fuckin grip

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This is all good as long as no one does business with Akil from Team31......fucking scammer

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Ketchup

What does this mean exactly? You aren't calling me a scammer but if betwwen the 2 I would be the scammer? OK

I didn't pay for 1/2 I paid for work. I hired him thinking he would do my project. He does 1/2 and decides to quit......it doesn't work that way. If you can't do the work because of health problems....OK....then give me my money back so I can get my project done because the template is useless to me without it integrated. If I wanted a template I would have asked for a template.

Blingbaby

Your shit is all distorted and you drove this guy over the edge. You ask him to replicate a job like Wyldesites who charges some 5k+ and offer to pay $500. The job he did initially for you was more than adequate for the petty sum you wanted to scam him with but likely your bullshit drove him over the edge. Here's something for you pal

Ketchup

No offense but fuck you. His price was $500. I said OK. Not $700 or 800 or 2000

What job did he do....are you that retarded? Did you read anything....he didn't finish the fucking job. You are a fucking idiot.