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smax 11-05-2008 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 15011092)
ofcourse they are defensive.. so as Hitler's


Sweet Godwin's Law on the first page, now that didn't take long did it

Snake Doctor 11-05-2008 02:57 PM

What's ironic about this is that if our Army wasn't stretched to the breaking point in Iraq, a place we had no business being in the first place, nobody in the world would be stupid enough to "test us"

The fact that they know we have no troops to deploy is what makes them act like such tough guys.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 11-05-2008 02:59 PM

Like Russia is not big enough...
Russia has the largest reserves in Natural resources.
Not once in world history has America moved in offensive tone to Russia.

Yet all the Russkies can snivel about is "Defending themselves" from what?
If the Russian Political System works for the people under the Kremlin whats the problem?

THese Missile systems have no Offensive capability whats so ever and they merely reduce the number of casualties in the event of a missile strike.

I am pretty sure Obama will pull the plug on the missile systems anyways. It's not a back down or standing down, infact it's money America would rather not spend anyways...

Brujah 11-05-2008 02:59 PM

You realize he doesn't actually take office until the Inauguration in late January of next year right?

smax 11-05-2008 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15011109)
since i actually live in czech republic: Because Dubya wants to put up missiles and radar here and in Poland. which the russians consider about the same as the US the missiles that were put on Cuba. If Obama is a smart man he's going to cancel this (anyways useless) system and all will be good. :2 cents:



I would suggest you as a citizen of that country contact you representatives and voice your displeasure with this decision, because when it comes down to these being installed your government can always say no if the people are against it. :2 cents:

aico 11-05-2008 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15011086)
no, the article said he was purposefully trying to fuck with barack.

No it doesn't.

If a guy in New York and myself have well known differences, and he starts putting up "Anti-Missile" defenses in my neighbors' yards here in Washington, I am sure as hell going to put up missiles in my yard to take those out, and while I am at it, I will make those missile have the ability to do a lot of damage, as an option, just to be safe.

GatorB 11-05-2008 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15010879)

Yes I'm sure if McCain had won they wouldn't have done that.

And I'm sure if McCain was president he'd get all mad and talk about bombing Russia and Palin would be talking about how she can see the missles from her back yard.

Fletch XXX 11-05-2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by aico (Post 15011136)
No it doesn't.

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In what appeared to be a deliberate attempt to rattle the president-elect,
Yes it does.

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Mr Medvedev's speech had been postponed twice and commentators in Moscow say it is no accident that the Kremlin decided it should be delivered on the day the United States presidential election results were announced.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 11-05-2008 03:02 PM

I mean if the Czech's and Pole's think they do not need the missile system and the general populace of those countries think they do not need it, Obama will pull the plug on them. I am certain of it.

It will take a penstorke for Obama to discard that system plan anyways that costs billions. It's a no brainer decision. THe situation is nothing like Cuba Missile Crisis whats so ever no matter how hard people try and paint it that way.

The missiles are for shooting down other missiles thats it. Nothing more.

Cuban Missile Crisis was about offensive nukes on CUban soil.

cykoe6 11-05-2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15011109)
since i actually live in czech republic: Because Dubya wants to put up missiles and radar here and in Poland. which the russians consider about the same as the US the missiles that were put on Cuba. If Obama is a smart man he's going to cancel this (anyways useless) system and all will be good. :2 cents:

Anyway there is nothing to fear. Obama has already promised to cancel the missile defense systems. It was one of campaign promises. The Russians are just reminding him of his promise. He will be backing down on this issue (and many others) as soon as he is inaugurated. The Russians are just trying to make it look they they forced the change in policy even though Obama is on record as being opposed to the missile defense system.

James124 11-05-2008 03:03 PM

It's understandable that Russia acts like this. Many months ago they said they'd use nukes to defend themselves against the coming missile shield, but media and politicians(IMO) didn't take them seriously. I think it's usually a mistake to ignore threats from the Russians...

GatorB 11-05-2008 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15011062)
The Russians can sense weakness. They know the election of Obama weakens the US and encourages its enemies. Now is the perfect time to make a move. The US public has decided they prefer to be liked rather than respected.

Please show me links to these countries that currently RESPECT us.

The Duck 11-05-2008 03:04 PM

And the next act begins...

aico 11-05-2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15011144)
Yes it does.

Look up the word Appeared, then compare it to Purposefully.

pornguy 11-05-2008 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15010901)
wow,



no offense to russians on this forum, but seriously why do these fucking assholes act this way?

Because they can..

Every time that asshat from Venezuela speaks he challenges the US to a war.

Fletch XXX 11-05-2008 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aico (Post 15011161)
Look up the word Appeared.

can you read??

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Mr Medvedev's speech had been postponed twice and commentators in Moscow say it is no accident that the Kremlin decided it should be delivered on the day the United States presidential election results were announced.
they postponed the speech twice so they could do it to fuck with Barack Obama, keep trying.

aico 11-05-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15011166)
can you read??



they postponed the speech twice so they could do it to fuck with Barack Obama, keep trying.

Oh, so you are saying that they knew Obama would win? Hmmm.

baddog 11-05-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 15010972)
Biden knows foreign relations as well as anybody so good to have him as the VP. he did predict this.

Castro did the same to Kennedy and Kennedy took the bait - almost a disaster.

Primary difference: Kennedy had military experience.

Fletch XXX 11-05-2008 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aico (Post 15011172)
Oh, so you are saying that they knew Obama would win? Hmmm.

Semantics. I proved you wrong, thats all I needed to do.

MaDalton 11-05-2008 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by smax (Post 15011133)
I would suggest you as a citizen of that country contact you representatives and voice your displeasure with this decision, because when it comes down to these being installed your government can always say no if the people are against it. :2 cents:

i just live here, i'm not czech. but there are lots of people who demonstrate already against this. but as we know the government not always listens to their people. it's a special problem with most of the new eastern european union countries - because they do not feel fully accepted by the old western members, they used the conflict around the Iraq war and played nice with George Bush - because they might have thought to gain something by doing so. now they lost on both sides.

GatorB 11-05-2008 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15011173)
Primary difference: Kennedy had military experience.

he drove aroundina littel boat for awhile. Like that means you can can control an army better than if you didn't drive the little boat around. I kick ass at RISK that must mean I'd be a super duper Commonder in Chief.

Fletch XXX 11-05-2008 03:11 PM

i own at RiverRaid!

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smax 11-05-2008 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15011148)
Anyway there is nothing to fear. Obama has already promised to cancel the missile defense systems. It was one of campaign promises. .

He promised cuts in funding, not a cancellation of the program HUGE difference. One thing you non Americans need to remember, US politicians promise everything to get elected, once in office reality sets in and most of those promises are left behind

smax 11-05-2008 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15011186)
i just live here, i'm not czech. but there are lots of people who demonstrate already against this. but as we know the government not always listens to their people. it's a special problem with most of the new eastern european union countries - because they do not feel fully accepted by the old western members, they used the conflict around the Iraq war and played nice with George Bush - because they might have thought to gain something by doing so. now they lost on both sides.



Democracy can be frustrating but look what we did here yesterday :thumbsup

aico 11-05-2008 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15011183)
Semantics. I proved you wrong, thats all I needed to do.

How exactly did you prove me wrong? The article does not say what you say it does, end of story.

aico 11-05-2008 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15011173)
Primary difference: Kennedy had military experience.

Oh god, give me a break.

baddog 11-05-2008 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by aico (Post 15011172)
Oh, so you are saying that they knew Obama would win? Hmmm.

You don't?

aico 11-05-2008 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15011228)
You don't?

learn to read.

baddog 11-05-2008 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 15011192)
he drove aroundina littel boat for awhile. Like that means you can can control an army better than if you didn't drive the little boat around. I kick ass at RISK that must mean I'd be a super duper Commonder in Chief.

You are dumber than I thought. I apologize for underestimating your ignorance.

MaDalton 11-05-2008 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by smax (Post 15011213)
Democracy can be frustrating but look what we did here yesterday :thumbsup

i wish they could decide on a government here at least - everytime they vote it ends up as a tie, then they try for a while, someone fucks it up, then they re-elect and the same bullshit starts again. :Oh crap

thankfully at 60% atheists it's at least unlikely that any government here will target porn :winkwink:

NoComments 11-05-2008 03:26 PM

My read:
Ignore Russians, don't give them:
attention
credits.

with oil prices going down, Russians will be in lines after toilet paper in no time if they repeat going into the arms race. We kicked their asses once and almost bankrupted them, and we can do it again.

NoComments 11-05-2008 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15011173)
Primary difference: Kennedy had military experience.

What military school did he go to and what army/division did he command?

You can't be serious BD.

DaddyHalbucks 11-05-2008 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15011062)
The Russians can sense weakness. They know the election of Obama weakens the US and encourages its enemies. Now is the perfect time to make a move. The US public has decided they prefer to be liked rather than respected. I am sure that the various global powers have received the message that the US is no longer to be feared. The election of Obama was the equivalent of waving a big white flag to our enemies. That is why the enemies of the US were so supportive of electing Obama and why they were celebrating last night and making their plans this morning. :disgust

Good analysis.

Drake 11-05-2008 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle (Post 15011059)
Ok, so they just need to whip their dicks out and see whose is bigger, then it's all over, right?

Plus or minus some posturing.

SiMpLe 11-05-2008 05:12 PM

They do know that he doesnt take office for 75 more days right lol

Ethersync 11-05-2008 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15010901)
wow,



no offense to russians on this forum, but seriously why do these fucking assholes act this way?

Gee maybe because we are surrounding their country with weapons and military bases?

tony286 11-05-2008 05:51 PM

I think Obama is far from weak and they will regret trying to play him. He said it last night, he isnt going to fuck around.

Ethersync 11-05-2008 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15011173)
Primary difference: Kennedy had military experience.

What did McCain do right while he was enlisted other than stay alive? If not for nepotism would we even know who this guy is today?

nico-t 11-05-2008 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mvee (Post 15010975)
Gotta love the Russian media:

"Ordinary Russians were sneering about the entire election, which was characterized in the frequently chauvinistic popular media as a contest between a senile grandfather and a black man of dubious credentials and intellect. American voters were portrayed as "popcorn and hamburger eating idiots" by one newspaper.

Several tabloids incorrectly reported that the main message of Mr Obama's final campaign speech was a call on young African Americans not to let their underpants show above the waistline of the jeans. "

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

nico-t 11-05-2008 06:39 PM

btw the russians are playing this exactly like the american warlords they only use a little less politicaly correct talk. Turn the tables on the situation, if the russians would place a missile shield in mexico how would the US react?

see the big picture here its all a game of money and power and we the public are being brainwashed and conditioned into supporting war. Im astonished some people in this thread still fall for it, havent you learned anything from all the wars?


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