TheDoc

Protecting different adobe products and even parts of it, would be expected. And DRM now is basically kick ass, so what better time to get into that too.

But the timed update of CS and it's major feature jump, plus the correct in the key system. Basically set a standard, use the old that is like others that are equal to it and they are also free... Or now pay and use our clearly kick ass software that is the standard, and piracy basically ended for them. You have to wonder, they had the ability to correct Photoshop before CS, but didn't...

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Exactly

Manowar

Blizzard (and to a lesser success rate, Steam) do it

Online verification.

DamianJ

Any ideas how you would start doing something like that Paulie?

Give us a clue?

Who should we email?

So you are actually suggesting we BAN google from the internet?

Awesome. Class action? What are you suggesting we do here?


You seem to be confusing not paying your bills to changing fundamentally how ICANN works. Easy mistake to make.





I think it's awful. What about my posts suggest otherwise. I am not condoning piracy, I am merly mocking you for suggesting we ban google from the interwebs.

Hope that is clear now.

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DamianJ

Citation needed.

I don't understand the question Paul.

If you steal a CD, someone cannot resell that CD. If you download a torrent of that CD, that CD can still be sold.

Did the picture not help you get your head round all this?

What?

I don't make 'programmes' Paul. I do marketing.

See, make something that people cannot pirate, and you don't need to worry.

I know we don't agree on most things Paul. But really, you still don't get it after I posted the picture?

And you, Sir, stick to shooting bored looking Eastern European birds desperate for money with bone dry cunts.


Paule. It is impossible. Forget it. You will never stop it. Ever.

I am not saying it is a good thing. I am saying it is an unstoppable thing.

You are more then welcome to come on GFY and post about your awesome anti-piracy plans of banning google from the internet, but really, it's a waste of time.

Did you know the first printing presses were viewed as piracy?

It will never stop.


Paulie, I've told you this before, and now I will tell you here.

YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

I've searched extensively on torrent sites, usenet and other sources of pirate content and there is NO MENTION of PAUL MARKHAM anywhere.

For some reason, the pirates don't seem to be interested in your content.

So, go to bed, relax, and sleep easy with the knowledge that your content is not on any pirate sources I have heard of.

Good news eh!?!

DamianJ

I think this is the key.

Maybe porn3.0 will all be in The Cloud.

The other solutions have been demonstrated by the music biz.

1) create fan base
2) create limited edition tanglible good
3) give away torrents of the content
4) sell limited edition tangible goods
5) create un-piratable live experiences

Now, video games have done this. All MMORPG games require authentication. Most online games work the same way. It's a live experience.

Music has done it. Reznor made 750k in 3 days doing exactly this earlier this year.

I imagine the big porn stars and porn brands have more fans than Trent does.

Hollywood has failed.

It is pointless trying to fight piracy. You will not win. Ever. Everything is crackable.

So, rather than do a Markham and actually suggest banning google from the internet*, let's move this on to a chat about what we can realistically do.

I have made my suggestions.

What do you think?

(And 'DRM' is not an acceptable answer )



*clue: this is unlikely to happen

DamianJ

huh? It really isn't.

Google cs4 torrents and keygens.

It's not even hard.

Not that I am suugesting it is good to steal, far from it. But DRM causes more problems than it solves and is far from 'kick ass'

No it didn't.

TheDoc

Give one of those cs torrents or keygens a try and see how well they work. I'm sure some solid cracked one has made it, but it minor in the mess trash, and upgrades are damn important. From what PS had to what they have now, piracy basically ended for them. Since it's impossible for piracy to end, I didn't make that statement.

The new CS DRM which is a server login/check system didn't cause photoshop or the user any problems and it solved several huge problems. DRM does not cause the end user problems, hulu which is legal uses drm, fox, abc, msnbc, all use DRM protected movies, and it's seamless. Learn what DRM does for you legally, educate yourself.


Again though, another great example of total resistance to the only solution to Piracy problems and it gets bashed...

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wootpr0n

Greatest solution ever: All software companies put a fully-functional free version of the software on their websites for free. But the software will show ads all day long until you activate it. People who already pay for licenses will keep doing so. Pirate groups will make cracks to get rid of the ads, but most of the people were pirating the software from torrent sites/P2P will just download the ad supported version from the company website.

Over the life of the software, the company will make money from the people who would have stolen their software, even those who don't have the money to buy it.

External Software Locks are very effective, but very few software companies implement them because they sell so much of their software online.



Even Bill Gates said he doesn't care. He said that if they are pirating software in China, he sure hopes it's Microsoft's stuff and they'll figure out how to make money from it later.

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No, I don't want to try them, but reading the comments they all work just fine. There are several version out there, with functioning key gens. No need to call home.


It has caused lots of problems. Kevin Rose for one, talked about it on Diggnation saying it would have been so much easier for him to pirate it.

In fact, it failed catastrophically:

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/03...ive-suite.html

Educate yourself, rather than believe the DRM hype.

Also, have a think about how stupid or rich you would have to be to refuse 9% of your audience access to your content.

Yes, imagine if I said to you, that if you used DRM 9% of your target audience would not be even able to TRY and sign up?

(9% if the current usage percentage of linux and mac on w3schools)

I suggested other solutions.

DRM really isn't a solution. All it does is fuck up legitimate paying customers time and time again. Hope you didn't by any nusic from wal-mart as they are turning off their DRM servers.

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/26...tting-dow.html

And any music anyone has bought from them will be unable to be tranferred to another device.

In games, Spore's DRM recently caused massive controversy:

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/07...ewers-clo.html

But if you think porn can do better than hollywood, the music industry and the games industry, great.

TheDoc

WTF, are you slow?


First, creative "SUITES" isn't Photoshop, it's a Suite package software, of course it has problems. Warlmart shutting down DRM for Music... we are talking about Photoshop and at least maybe paysite Content. Who ever said DRM for Music was smart?


The "LARGEST" membership siteS in the world run on DRM (vod/ppm) flawless integration with almost zero customer complaints. From the backend, to the front, webmasters don't even know the galleries have drm on them. Educate yourself - you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.


Again, DRM is the ONLY solution. Clearly YOU have NEVER tried it, yet spew your crap trying to fool the masses. When I have tried it, try it every day, and use it for marketing too.


And even posting boingboing, come on dude, us real webmasters make fun of guys like him.

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DamianJ

Ah lovely. Insults already. Often the mark of someone who is running out of intelligent ways to discuss a topic.

It's called Creative Suite. Not SUITES. But anyway...It's the collection of apps that Adobe sells that includes Photoshop.

I am dying for you to explain why Adobe selling Photoshop along with Illustrator et al would "of course" have problems?

Are you seriously suggesting that a standalone version of Photoshop will have no problems, but a group of applications sold together will?

How does that work then?

Yes, walmart are stopping the servers for DRM authentication. So if anyone bought music from Walmart, they are screwed.

Are you seeing how this relates?

It's DRM. Do you see?

Right. So DRM for porn is smart, and for music it is not smart? Is that your statement?

What about for Hollywood?

Your views intrigue me.

OK.

a) citation needed
b) why would do you think you would hear about customer complaints unless you work out side the company
c) every single large site's content is ripped and available for piracy.

So...I conclude that DRM doesn't work.

It's meant to protect content, and it doesn't. During the process, you refuse admission to 9% of your target audience and piss off legitimate customers.

What about it is good?

Are you really happy to dismiss that many potential customers?

Again with the rudeness. Why do you feel the need to be so agressive?

Do you? Why?

Are you saying the stories that boingboing reports are not true? Are you suggesting they are linking to stories that are made up?

Do you have any evidence to prove they three links I posted are lies?

No, course you don't.

I can find you many other links from other sources about how DRM protects little and does nothing but annoy legitimate consumers if that will make you happy?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=DRM...ient=firefox-a

There you go, 3,400+ articles for "DRM annoys legitimate customers". I am sure some of them are true, and not all from boingboing.

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TheDoc

Rude, I don't give a fuck about being rude or not. You spew bullshit here, I call your ass for it. Read up on my posts, it's not like I'm changing attitudes for you.

Sites with DRM that are godly in size and larger than any paysite.
http://www.aebn.net/
http://www.yappo.com/
http://www.adultrental.com/
http://www.hotmovies.com/
http://www.gamelink.com/

I can keep going..


PC's annoy legitimate customers, every software ever installed annoys legitimate customers. Of course DRM will have some issues, but it isn't so bad that you lose customers over it and it does protect your assets.

Hell, having a lock on my door keeps people out, but it's damn easy to kick the door down and still break in. But shit, since the lock CANT keep 100% of the people out, I might as well take the damn door down!

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lets use a program called avs converter as an example, its a great piece of software that allows you to easily convert movie files from format to format (I have nothing to do with them).

Now can someone tell me what benefits they may have from all the avs converter cracks there are out there?

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I agree 1000%

Also hotmovies and or cebn use just wmv drm or they have stuff that supports mpg etc?

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TheDoc

Aye, I think you are correct, and I don't know if it supports mpg. Last I heard, most are working towards flash integration. Not sure if that means they will drop the download to own feature, which I also hear is used but isn't all that hot.

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DamianJ

Clearly. I prefer to try and discuss things without resorting to name calling. But you knock yourself out.

OK. Let's take this one step at a time.

What exactly have I posted that is bullshit?

That you will lose 9% of your potential market?
That DRM causes lots of problems for legitimate users?

I have provided links to prove all that.

So what, exactly, are you saying is bullshit. Please quote examples.

You list some sites, some of which may use DRM. Well done. Point?

Actually, if you had read any of the links I had posted you will see that companies ARE losing customers over DRM.

There are lawsuits.

Electronic Arts, a leading maker of computer games, defrauds consumers through its "Spore" game, which "completely wipes their hard drive" and replaces it with an undisclosed program that prevents the computer from operating under some circumstances and disrupts hardware operations, a class action claims in Federal Court.

The class claims that "Spore," a virtual reality simulation game, contains "a second, undisclosed program" called SecuROM, a "form of Digital Rights Management (DRM) for computer games."

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/41...-Lawsuit-Filed


Yup. Not because you can't keep 100% of the people out, but because it fundamentally doesn't work.