Wrong...my 2nd cousin did time in Kansas for accessory to murder and visited him on occassion and have seen how it affected him after 25+ years in prison.

Now before you start saying this guy deserved the death penalty etc...let me tell you a bit about his story.

He and 3 other buddies were exacting revenge...one of his friend's girlfriends was raped by this guy.

They beat him, chained him up to the back of their car and dragged him all over Wichita...he died...they all went to jail.

If youve never heard of San Quentin or Angola you shouldnt be arguing prisons arent tough enough hehehe ;)

Angola is a prison surrounded by swamps and alligators.

"Not just an ordinary farm, we were at the gates of the Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola. The largest prison in the United States, 63 percent of the men in its confines will die there. Originally a plantation manned by slaves from the African nation of Angola"

I have a close relative (male) who did some time in whatever floor is the gangster ward in LA county jail.

He said when the lights go out, they eat twix bars out of each others assholes, and in the morning they all have dried cum in their hair. He was scared. Luckily he speaks spanish and got to kick it in the corner with the hetero mexican immigrants.

Oh yeah, and at one point they were rounded up naked, and had to straddle a bench. He said the black guy behind him was pressing a boner up against his ass and whispering dirty things in his ear. GROSSSSSSS! :1orglaugh

Let's not forget Attica and Joliet.

Ok, so it's surrounded by alligators so? I thought most inmates stayed in and not out? Hehehehe! Perhaps it keeps them from escaping no?

Just because I haven't heard of every prison doesn't mean I can't argue about a subject I feel so strongly about! :winkwink:

Which is why families don't make laws. Laws are not too be made on emotions. If they were, alcohol, cigarettes, automobiles, planes, and just about everything else you can possibly think of would be illegal.

The argument you just made is extremely ignorant.

The day emotions start creating laws is the day I move to my own island.

You guys can bitch about politicians and lawyers all you want, but I'll give them credit for one thing, they are very objective. Which is exactly what's needed in their positions.

And just for the record, if someone killed/raped my little girl, of course I would want to fry them on a skillet, and probably would if given the opportunity. But that sure as hell doesn't mean I shouldn't have to pay for my crime.

I'm personally against the death penalty. I was always for the death penalty, but about two years ago logic kicked in. There are many reasons I think the death penalty should be abolished, none of which I'll go into here.

Yeah, that's pretty sick! I NEVER said they should be tortured...Just not so god damn comfortable!

I prefer Heath Bars

"Angola's fascist administration, headed by racist Murray Henderson, has a history of sadistic and bizarre murders which never make it to the newspapers. However, countless acts of brutality and murder of inmates have been cited and told by Angola's few survivors."

http://www.angola3.org/fourmustpay.shtml

Oh, come off it. I bet Cherry's story made you moist.

Shit!!! How did you know? :1orglaugh

Thats jail, not prison. HUGE difference.

And I can guarantee you the Detroit "jail" does not have PS, VCRs, Computers, and steak. Just lots of big scary black guys.

I imagine you must be speaking of Canadian jails.

1 class of students at a univ researched death penalty cases at a state prison and found proof that an handful of them were actually innocent

if u knew more about our justice system (i.e. had been a pub defender or seen some of the death penalty cases up close) u'd know what a joke it is, noone has any clue how many innocent ppl are killed each year but the majority of the pop. feels that innocents have been put to death in the US in the last decade

the problem isnt killing killers, its making sure the right ppl are convicted and having a 'fair' justice system

cant fix one without the other, personally im in favor of capital punishment if there is no other social recourse meaning if the prisoner cannot contribute to society, but the current system is 2 much of a drain on taxpayers 2 make it a better alternative than life in prison.

:helpme

Wow! Very interesting Fletch....Thanks for posting that.

I am Yes for the death penalty

Canadian jails don't have many big scarry black guys, but they Do have Big Ugly Socialist Natives though that don't like whities much.

Im more afraid of a big black guy yellin "yo gonna be my bitch!!"

than the death penalty :helpme

:1orglaugh

scrambled or sunny side up?

NO

I vote YES

but only if I can hold the gun

No wait... I changed my mind

we shoulld have colossal trials with a massive media circus for these criminals

further we should cause as much pain as possible to the victims families by making this a very lengthy process

then after years and millions of taxpayers dollars, we should find that a murder conviction cannot stick due to some technicality, or find them mentally insane, or plea bargain them down

then after about 5-6 years of this nonsense, we should let the criminal write a book, and make a ton of money causing further pain and despair to the families of his victims


oh, yeah... I forgot, we already have that

How about because if they can't get a lawyer to defend him, there will be no trial?

The one problem I see with Capitol Punishment is, it's a government run program. To me, that means it has to be suspect.

Brutal

Not exactly right. The criminal is there AS punishment, not FOR punishment.

Interesting point.

:smokin

I'm sure you'd change your mind about the death penalty yourself, if you found yourself wrongly convicted of murder, as we now know happens quite a bit.

Just a question: If you found yourself on death row wrongly convicted of murder, would you be saying, "I didn't commit this murder, but I still think the death penalty is a good thing"?

If you make these sorry Mother Fuckers fear what is going to happen to them it might make them think a little harder when it comes time to do the crime! Depending on the crime they should pay with pain.... Public stoning till death!:BangBang:

Not even close. To house an inmate for 30 years would cost the state under 2 million. To exhaust appeals it would cost 15-20 million to execute the inmate.

I however am pro capital punishment. Anyone that rapes and kills a 5 year old child doesn't deserve the right to breath!

I agree with that 100%. However what in the hell do we do about the legal system that says we need to re-habilitate the morons who do this sort of shit?

There is no evidence that murderers in particular give much thought to the death penalty. Frequently the places with the death penalty have a higher murder rate than those with life imprisonment.

I see little has been said in response to the argument that we now have evidence that our legal system doesn't do a very good job of convicting the right guy. The governor of Illinois suspended any further executions when presented with the FACT that Illinois juries had gotten in wrong in a bit more than 50% of the cases that could be resolved due to new DNA testing capabilities. Of course, if you carry that percentage over to the poor slobs convicted in the same system, but whose cases were not resolvable by DNA, it seems that the system is still going to put innocent people to death in Illinois.

Are Illinois juries particularly stupid, or are juries about equally stupid everywhere? Or (more likely) do they reach the death decision on less than conclusive evidence?

Yes our Jails should be hard but they should also be safe. I support the death penalty 100%.

Those who don't like the death penalty have NEVER had this crimes done to them or people they love.

If I had a wife & 2 daughters and some FUCK broke into my house, kidnapped my Wife & kids and raped them and tortured them for weeks before finally killing them and then they found this fuck and he was 100% guilty of the crime then I want that sound of a fucking bitch killed.

If he ever got out of prison I would take him out witha sniper rifle, or I'd fucking kidnape him and torture him to death as payback.

All you people who cry "ohh no you can't kill him its wrong, HAVEN'T been raped, haven't had someone close to you attacked, raped, killed, and if that did happen to you mark my words you would change your tune.

Nobody seems to see it from the victims point of view, they seem to forget about the poor innocent people who got fucked over by these assholes that they are sticking up for.

Sammy

You rehabilitate drug addicts, petty criminals, burgalars, ect...

You kill someone who rapes and murders children.

i'm glad there is no death penalty here in Canada

otherwise i wouldn't be sitting here typing this message
:Graucho

but seriously...send them to Australia


:(

oops....been there, done that


maybe we can check frontal lobe activity and if none exists, we can put those people into comas

okay, how about me and Professor Deb build a rocket ship and we set up a prison colony on the Moon or Mars?!

The victim has no point of view. The victim is dead. Remember?

I'm all for it... some people should not be alive using tax dollars to live after they took that privledge from others.
We discussed the death penalty in Psych class... and we were studying classical conditioning...pavlov's dog...
and the point was made that...there is too much time between the crime and the punishment. Reinforcement just doesn't work...

but then there is all that comes with reinforcing the punishment to quickly...so ahh...oh well

Please read the whole thread again. Your tax dollars theory holds know weight.

I learned the same thing in psych class. I too think rehabilitation is wishful thinking. How do you rehabilitate a killer? A rapist?

I should re-read it...mmm but as we speak Psych work!!!

but I still hold to why keep them alive?
To serve what purpose? Maybe I missed that in the thread too..
and rehibiltation, wishful thinking...
we can't save the victim but maybe we can save the criminal...
mmm no

Kill them all...
Fucking parasites. :ak47: