You meant to say it costs less to house them. :)

Well I have a HUGE problem with paying for people to be in jail. That's MY money, and I have about 250 places it could be better spent in ways that would be much more beneficial to myself and my family. Make them earn their way! In the immortal words of Baretta, "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime."

Yes.

heheh sorry.

least its mispelled.

;)

For Wenchy and those who think prison is some sort of "resort"...I too feel these guys should have to earn their keep.

But to think that just because they have cable t.v. they are living it up at the hilton...lol...you're diluted.

Since when is ass rape a part of the Hilton experience...since when is tossing someone's salad something you'd sign up for while on vacation?

How often do you have to worry about getting shanked while visiting the harvard law library?

I know...I know...they all deserve it right?

hell fucking no.

That's not what our prisons should be about...if you do the crime you do the time...that is your punishment.

The simple fact is right now our prisons turn out worse criminals than they were when they got in there int he first place.

If you want your money to count...then ensure that they are being rehabiliated.

I'm going to be asked to prove this but I can't...this was discussed on one of the talking head shows so I don't have a link.

Anyway the statement was that once someone has been in prison at least 3 times even if they weren't before they are now a SEXUAL OFFENDER.

In other words upon entering a prison they get raped and then in turn they eventually rape...they continue to do this and are eventually released back into society as a full fledged sexual offender who may continue to offend on the outside.

And chances are these guys will be released eventually.

So...with that in mind...make your tax dollars count and see that they are rehabilitated.

Kill em all and let GOD sort em out

I'm sticking with my original statement. You work these guys so damned hard all day that they're too tired to eat dinner, and I can just about guarantee you they won't be raping, shanking, or generally creating rukus. They sit around all day with nothing to do but think up ways to f*ck with other people... boredom is NOT a good thing for criminals to have lots of, IMO.

idiots will always look for ways to disprove that they are an idiot by changing the subject- it's the first tell tale sign that you are dealing with an idiot.

As I am still reading info on things.

Heres some more numbers.

Ole GW had a high price for life too.

"A study done by the Sacramento Bee argued that California would save $90 million per year if it were to abolish the death penalty.

The average cost of a capital trial in Texas is $2.3 million--three times the cost to incarcerate an individual for 40 years.

The average cost of a capital trial in Florida is $3.2 million. "

Well, we could debate about this for hours and hours...I said my piece and I'm sticking with it! Maybe one day we will live in a perfect world, but in the mean time we have to watch our backs...and hope that crime rates are going to go down and not up!

:)

Ya know what means the most in this Sleazy?

Is what you and I really are.

Look at yourself. All you are, are your accomplishments.

As you sit here and piss like a real idiot.

I am surfing info on the subject and trying to expand myself and what I know.

I admitted I was incorrect, and I am on my way to having what I didnt have before. The truth.

I haven't read this entire thread but my personal opionon on the death penality is that it's not much of a deterent unless it's made public - hang em in the court square I say

if you really think they rehabilitate i have a swamp land in florida to sell you. it's liek this. Jail birds have the bible in one hand claiming they have been saved. And a crack pipe in the other..... when they get released, I'm sure the crack pipe will be in both hands

Yeah well the cost of a bullet precisely aimed at the back of someone's head is rather cheap.

Why not take Justice into your own hands? Eye for an eye.

And obviously the death penalty costs more, because more assholes are involved in the case no doubt. I'm sorry people are wrongfully accused, but what the hell were they doing in the first place to wind up in that situation? Maybe I am overlooking something?

I didnt say they rehabilitate.

I said, they were 'supposed to.'

;)

No, not keeping the streets clean,
The prisions are full of Death row, and Life in Prision people, who will never get out.
I say If the evidence proves ( the reason they are in there), then death. Make room for the lessor criminal who we can then try to reabilitate back in to society.. ( yeah right) But it is set up that way...

I've done the research for a paper a couple years back, government class. Execution can easily cost upwards of a million dollars, plus some. Life sentence, just say 30-40 years, costs around $250k.

If you're desperate for numbers, I'll go see what I can dig up.

But the whole "cheaper for tax payers to kill" theory is incredibly false. Ever since I learned the truth, it drives me absolutely crazy when someone uses expenses to justify the death penalty.

He didn't say they do rehabilitate...he said that's what they are supposed to be for.

Right now prisons just turn out better and/or more aggressive criminals.

rope is cheap

But yes, the welfare system is in need of house cleaning as well..
That is the second biggest thing that gets me going...

I'm surprised Toodamfli! With the percentage of executed who are innocent, you still see a place for the death penalty?

So then WHY does it cost so much more? Anyone of you edumacated peeps want to elaborate on the criminal justice system?

more time with lawyers, judges and research to make sure that they have the right person

here is an idea that may sound silly, all those "in prison for life" criminals should be put on a remote island that is at least 250 mile away from civilization. give them basic tools to hunt and survive. then forget about them. If they kill one another off, oh well, thats what you get for killing someone else in the first place.

My two cents ($.02)

I think that the death penalty is in direct violation with
the 8th Amendment of the Constitution. It doesnt matter how
you dress up death. It is cruel and unusual punishment.
However, I do agree with someone who said that jails should
be jails and not country clubs.

But lawyers aren't.

Been done - it's called austrialia, turned out to be a nice place to live

Australia anyone?

YEP

http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/

"We took away coffee, that saved $150,000 a year. Why do you need coffee in jail?" :1orglaugh

hahhaa I love that guy

bologna sandwich anyone?

Prisons are not designed to be comfortable, loving places. People are there to recieve punishment. They are the garbage dump of the community.

And they are not comfortable loving places...but at the moment schools and breeding grounds for smarter and more aggressive criminals.

The focus should be on rehabilitation so when they do get released...which a large percentage will...they will not come back to haunt your community.

yeah i know, ironicaly it is the least violent country in the world....

Im for the death penalty. I think the victims families should get to pull the switch as well. If someone kills your daughter you deserve the right to revenge. sure it won't bring her back... but I tell ya it would make me feel a hell of a alot better. Heck id prob shoot his ass on the courthouse steps if it happened to my family.

Alot of folks that are against the death penalty change their minds when it's their loved one that is killed

And then you be in prison with more criminals.

:winkwink:

I guess you've never visited a jail...My brother is a cop and I've had the opportunity to visit a jail and I was shocked to see they had TV, VCR, Playstation, Computers, access to a full education, gym facility, and they're even served steak! Now how is that not comfortable? Hell I couldn't even afford half of that when I was in university...Lot's of poor people can't even afford a hot meal!!!!

You made the best point AGAINST the death penalty.

It should not be an EMOTIONAL thing...it's emotions that cause us to make mistakes.

It is emotion that drives police to falsify evidence...coerce confessions...and blindly follow a trail that leads no where while real evidence leads to the real killers.

Theres a big difference between Jail and prison.

Ever heard of Angola?

San Quentin?

That aint you brothers county jail with drunks and rotating doors.

No, I can't say I have...Are they bad?
I don't consider Montreal to be a small city either...

Some of the inmates were in for murder not just being drunk in public...lol