I can't believe there is an ad for xites.com on this board

[RockDaddy]

This will steal your traffic. This should especially be a concern with all sponsors who host galleries. You are going to be paying for the bandwith but will see no sales because when a surfer clicks a banner on your gallery, they will go to a sponsor of my choice. That is a fact!

[JamesK]

true.

[RockDaddy]

Oh, and any gallery submitters should be very aware about which tgp sites use this, because you will pay for all the bandwith but when the surfer clicks any recip link, text link or banner, they will go to the tgp owners sponsor and not yours!!

Tested and proven!

http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.gres...il/e101235.htm

Hit that gallery and notice the banner at the top of the page is not theirs, click their sponsor and notice that you are going to the wetlands, not their sponsor!

[gothweb]

MMMmmmmm.... Cheatware!

[Martin]

It's all about the $$

[RockDaddy]

I'm just surprised they are allowed to buy a banner on top of this board because Adult.com has just as much to lose with this thing. Maybe they really haven't looked into what it is or is capable of.

-TIP
Make sure you have your htaccess to not allow hotlinking of your pics, this will at least make your page load with all broken images plus dissallow referrer xq1.net


RD

[MichaelH]

Isn't that sort of programm completely illegal ? There must be something like a Coding and Authoring theft , right ???

RockDaddy, is xq1.net the only domain to block? I might believe that there's more!

Shouldn't we all take some action against this ??????

[MichaelH]

If any form of sponsor program supports THAT! They should go all on somekind of blacklist! That's a total rip off!

[RockDaddy]

Well there was a thread started by Serge about this which got sidetracked and this actual program wasn't discussed much, which was ok with me, I thought it would just die out but when I saw an ad on top of this board for it, I thought it need to be talked about a little more, especially if it's going to be a mainstream thing.

That's the only referring url I know about so far. All links start with that right now, could change later.

So far as "illegal", from what was posted on the other thread, doesn't seem like it is. That's what Google does when it "caches" your pages as well as some other sites.

If there were to be any chance of stopping it, I would think that the large sponsors who host galleries and stand to be financially hit by this thing would have the best chance of doing something.

[RockDaddy]

If any form of sponsor program supports THAT!

I don't know how any sponsor KNOWINGLY would sponsor that because of what it does. They (especially sponsors that host galleries) stand to lose from it also.

[RockDaddy]

Here's an adultplatinum hosted gallery

http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=cheer.gallerygenerator.com/


Adult Platinum won't make a penny off that gallery!
Just paying the bandwith, that's all

[MichaelH]

I think with the platinum gallery above. We can at LEAST talk about copyright infrigement. And i believe there's some serious code and authoring theft law against this type of programs as well...

Maybe some others can confirm that.

[RockDaddy]

Just to show how far this can go, what if someone started sending all their exit traffic somewhere, like..
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=thehun.net/

It's set to go to the sponsor after 1 domain right now, but that could be changed to 3, 5 or whatever number you wish.

Now you are stealing The Huns traffic and his submitters traffic. Even if you don't have it redirect to your sponsor, you would be displaying your banner on each and every page the surfer visited. If they bookmarked that url, well, you can see what would happen.

[MichaelH]

Yep! This company is only calling for HUGE troubles!!!
Way to go cheaters and rippers!

[TFCash]

Originally posted by RockDaddy
So far as "illegal", from what was posted on the other thread, doesn't seem like it is. That's what Google does when it "caches" your pages as well as some other sites.

Other than the fact that google doesn't change links to your sponsors they just cache your site for speed. And they don't cache your graphics, just the html. Big differance !!


Tim

[cool1]

I will admit it seems to suck.

[RockDaddy]

Nothing better than being the top one thousand listings on Google
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.google.com

[Fletch XXX]

Doesnt look good.

Take their fucking banner down already?

geez.

[ControlThy]

The adult.com people need food on their table's too.

;-)

[RockDaddy]

[QUOTE]Nothing better than being the top one thousand listings on Google
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.google.com[/QUOTE

Actually I LIKE that part :D

[jimmyf]

They better hope they have some very deep pocket's.. I give'm maybe 1 more week before they are served papers.... People like this need to loose every thing they have..

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by ControlThy
The adult.com people need food on their table's too.

;-)

Thats like saying its okay to be be bought out by a cheater.

fuck all that.

money is nothing compared to will.

[Sambuka]

Wow, didn't realize this software was so powerful, scary stuff. I just tested it on my site and if they bookmark my site while there inside this xites thing when the return to the bookmark they jump straight back into it again. Thats a nice way of trading traffic and keeping your traffic at the same time. I mean bad way.

Sammy

[MichaelH]

Originally posted by ControlThy
The adult.com people need food on their table's too.

;-)

What a weak statement...

[ControlThy]

Originally posted by MichaelH


What a weak statement...

That was not exactly a statement.
Have you guys ever heard of "sarcasm"? I guess not.

I think Adult.com should check the sites they are going to do business with, but I am not in charge of their business policies.

[ControlThy]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Thats like saying its okay to be be bought out by a cheater.

fuck all that.

money is nothing compared to will.

Read above post.

I guess I need to have a disclaimer in every post that contains "sarcasm" because not even a ";-)" sign works.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by ControlThy
I think Adult.com should check the sites they are going to do business with, but I am not in charge of their business policies.

Im with you.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by ControlThy
I guess I need to have a disclaimer in every post that contains "sarcasm" because not even a ";-)" sign works.

Tis cool, I wasnt snapping at ya, was just saying "fuck selling out."

heheheh

[ControlThy]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Tis cool, I wasnt snapping at ya, was just saying "fuck selling out."

heheheh

I like people with principles, they are hard to find these days.
Anyway, hopefully Lensman has taken action after reading this thread.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by ControlThy


I think Adult.com should check the sites they are going to do business with, but I am not in charge of their business policies.

Exactly. I said this the other day.

I wonder how many newbies and assholes are already planning on implementing that system, just because of this fucking banner.

[boldy]

2 words img src or 1 word iframe

[RockDaddy]

One word of caution/wisdom for people planning on using that program. If you are using to to "cheat" other people then don't be surprised when the program "cheats" you. Since your links go through their site, it would be no problem to shave you hard or completely at odd times of the day, etc.. Afterall, it's a "free" program and we all know there's no such thing as "free".

Cheated by the cheating program... I believe that's what is known as "Situational Irony"

[Sambuka]

Originally posted by MichaelH


What a weak statement...

Well its not for Adult to say "No we don't want your $1000-2000+" for your banner ad, nah we already have to much money.

FUCK THAT. Its not adult.com's job to be the watchdog for the entire freaking internet, this stuff is going to get around with or without them taking a paid placement for it, if they don't pay him, then they just goto all the boards and spam spam spam, and then within a few days everyone is bitching about xites and how there program is so so bad and everyone will have a link in the message showing exactly where to get it. infact I never looked at the banners at the top I ignore them but when someone started a message board subject on it and came and read it, as did 1000's of others. So your infact helping to tell people about it more than Adult.com's little banner at the top that most people ignore.

So with or without Adult.com advertising it they will of got there product out there for everyone to see.

I don't support there product, but they sure came up with a idea nobody has done before. And i'm sure they will make some good money if there ass isn't sued off the face of this planet.

I can't see why anyone would bother suing them, no money in it, and they can block there server IP pretty easy.

Sammy

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Sambuka



Well its not for Adult to say "No we don't want your $1000-2000+" for your banner ad, nah we already have to much money.

Actually, um... yes it is. GFY doesn't necessarily need that money, they can get it elsewhere.

We're talking principal here. Let me guess, you don't have any principles?

[Fletch XXX]

Nice thinking.

They run *your hits through *their site.

Easily redirected to their needs.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Sambuka


I don't support there product, but they sure came up with a idea nobody has done before. And i'm sure they will make some good money if there ass isn't sued off the face of this planet.

HAHA

Umm.....sorry...no. This isn't an original idea.

[Petr]

http://anon.free.anonymizer.com/http://www.google.com/ does (very roughly) the same thing. And so do many other proxies.

[RockDaddy]

So your infact helping to tell people about it more than Adult.com's little banner at the top that most people ignore.

Actually, burying your head in the sand like an ostrich won't solve the problem. It has to brought to everyones attention exactly what it can do. In fact, in most issues you have to really learn how a system can be exploited before you can begin to come up with solutions.

I partly agree about adult.com is not the internet police, just not sure if they fully understand how this can actually be detrimental to them as well (example above with their hosted gallery) and a short time financial gain can turn into a bigger long term loss.

I have already though of dozens of ways to utilize this program to my benefit at the cost of others and I'm sure many are already doing so. You're right, it's not going to go away, so the more you know about it, the better off you are.

[RMG]

hmmmmmmmm

[kevinl]

Couldn't you use it to redirect after a certain number of clicks on a thumbnail. Seem like a great way to redirect galleries after they are reviewed.
I'll bet 2003 is going to be unbelievable with this and spyware that floats their banners above your ads. Being a free webmaster is fixing to be a tough way to make a buck.
We need to start a site and or list that tracks sponsors that support this kind of stuff.

[Sambuka]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Actually, um... yes it is. GFY doesn't necessarily need that money, they can get it elsewhere.

We're talking principal here. Let me guess, you don't have any principles?

Principles or cold card cash to feed my family : hrmm thats a hard one

Well Maybe Lensman didn't check to see what this software does, who cares if they did and approved it anyways. There here to make money and why not take it off these clowns. They probably won't be around long anyways, (read my post at the bottom).

Its their site, there not the internet police and they can do whatever they want. They can EASILY ban this from hurting ANY of there site hosted galleries, as can ANYONE else who has hosted galleries.


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HAHA

Umm.....sorry...no. This isn't an original idea.

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Whats orginal is the way they are using their idea, sure it might be using other technology to work but hey its still new, you couldn't do this 3 weeks ago but you sure can now. And there the only ones doing it, and we're all discussing it so much so YES I believe it qualifies for being a NEW idea.


Here is how far this software is going to go.
Someone smarter than I will make a spyware software program that auto installs like GATOR. And it rewrites every bookmark in Netscape and IE5 and place a big
FAT http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=
infront of each and every bookmark link.

ITS PERFECT, maybe even overwrite the search command with a
http://xq1.net/i?sssid=30&h=www.google.com

Now everytime the person goes surfing everywhere they go in there bookmarks they get porno adds at the top of the page, and every 5-10 domains they search through they get redirected to a nice porn site.

So theres the idea, its gotta be one of the worst ways of using this xites thing yet yet right?

ALl those who would like to use this idea, I have it copyrighted and will sell the copyright for 1 US Dollar. Anyone?

Hehe, I don't give a site about xites i've already banned there software off all my sites, will be interesting to see if indeed the new spywares make use of this type of software, if they need too or not.

Sammy

[rogerbo]

Whats more iritating if you lok who is behinde all this.

XQ1.NET

Administrative Contact:
@orionent.com
BIGPLAYERS.COM

@ORIONENT.COM

owned and operated by Orion Technologies LLC, a Delaware corporation

So i had the impresion the the Bigplayers would have been a serious Comp. and now this ??

[SR]

What a big ripoff.
And amazing that they are advertising here. I'm sure companies and sites get screened before they are allowed to advertise.
This program won't survive for a month from now.
And if bigplayers really is behind this I guess they can go close as well.

[MichaelH]

Originally posted by Sambuka
Well its not for Adult to say "No we don't want your $1000-2000+" for your banner ad, nah we already have to much money.

FUCK THAT. Its not adult.com's job to be the watchdog for the entire freaking internet

Bullshit... There are some COMMON SENSE principles which need to be respected in order to keep doing business and work properly with others.

And yes, Adult.com has enough profits and thus for sure also enough freedom to choose from legit ads placements or business threatening ads...

It's just about HEALTHY COMMON SENSE, not internet watchdog...

So with or without Adult.com advertising it they will of got there product out there for everyone to see.

Sorry, but if ANY party supports this kind of BS with or without advertising, that makes them responsible for the problem we all encounter and will encounter in the futur... Think about it.

Banning the exposure of such programs is better than ignoring the danger and actively/passively displaying such a programm... ;)

I don't support there product, but they sure came up with a idea nobody has done before. And i'm sure they will make some good money if there ass isn't sued off the face of this planet.

Not true. Such a program is found in its simplest form like with using frames, which is almost banned everywhere (at least with most trading sites), not without reason. The program above does precisely that. Framing sites/pages with their own code as header... just in another form. Now that's nothing special, but COMMON SENSE says it's about Abuse of CONTENT (unlicensed) and web authoring code without permission. So who wants that ?

I can't see why anyone would bother suing them, no money in it, and they can block there server IP pretty easy.

At least content providers + sponsors could start taking action since this kind of business at least does harm content providers.

Which sponsor want to see its content hotlinked/abused for a concurrent company like BigPlayers... ?!? Which sponsor wants to feed their competition's mouth ?

Same thing with webmasters. They decide what will be displayed on their sites and by whom. If they don't agree with the program above, they can at least start blacklisting Bigplayers and their related sites.

RIP OFF is RIP OFF, and i hope they won't stay too much around.

Michael

[RockDaddy]

It's just a shame it even has to come to this. I would expect more from a sponsor (Big Players, if it's theirs) and think I would question the ethics of anyone that had anything to do with or endorsed this type of program.

And following some of the logic on this thread...

Because some kids are selling crack to other kids and since those kids will buy crack anyway, I might as well make a few bucks for myself out of the deal.

[BVF]

there arer three different things being offered. Two of them aren't harmful and one of them is just plain foul.

a pop-up killer - everybody offers these...no big deal

a redirect to a sponsor after the surfer has visited a certain amt. of links -----that's a good fuckin idea I must say.

3. Advertise on other people's websites for free ---- that's the FOUL shit right there.

However, the banner shit won't work and they'll be run out of business..here's why:

--surfer goes to www.xyzporn.com, picks up the banner code from his site.
--surfer then goes to www.cnn.com and sees a PORN banner smack dab on top of the page...surfer will know that something is up. They might even email cnn.com and complain as to why they are seeing a porn banner displayed on a mainstream site. cnn investigates and gets pissed along with ebay, yahoo, etc...goes after this little company and sends them packing.

[ControlThy]

No response from Lensman?

[MichaelH]

Originally posted by MichaelH
What a weak statement...

Originally posted by ControlThy


That was not exactly a statement.
Have you guys ever heard of "sarcasm"? I guess not.

I think Adult.com should check the sites they are going to do business with, but I am not in charge of their business policies.

And sorry to ControlThy for the misunderstanding

Michael

[Sambuka]

> Bullshit... There are some COMMON SENSE principles which > > > need to be respected in order to keep doing business and work > properly with others.

Well this is my point exactly, are people going to stop dealing with Adult.com or Lensman because he is advertising this xites.com product??? FUCK NO! His programs rock I love em as do many others out there.

So he isn't going to have any troubles so your "working with others" idea is kinda mute in regard to adult.com

Adult.com is advertising a product that can be used for good or bad, think of it this way. Say I own a TGP and I host my own galleries, I don't have to rotate 100's of banners on each site I can just use xite.com software... or if my surfers go through my hosted galleries and click on banners to my paysites(owned by me), after they leave my paysite (not purchasing anything) then I can bring them back to my free site again. So they can see more of my own hosted galleries.

It can be used for good or bad, it has not proven to be illegal yet and so there is no reason not to take there money.

Not saying there product is great or cool, I think it won't last more than 1-2 months before they are shut down, but who knows.

Anyone know how to program spyware? Wanna partnership

Sammy

[jimmyf]

Are people going to stop dealing with Adult.com or Lensman because he is advertising this xites.com product?
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You never know..Word of mouth is very good or can be very bad, once you get a bad rap, it dam hard to recover.
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I think it won't last more than 1-2 months before they are shut down, but who knows.
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I don't think it will last that long.

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Anyone know how to program spyware? Wanna partnership
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You must have some very deep pockets.