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d-null · 10-12-2008, 04:54 PM

just saw a picture of Heather Locklear nearly 50 in a bikini and she looks amazing, and then saw this video of Madonna at 49 years old and she looks hotter than she did when she was in her twenties

is it true that 50 is the new 25, at least for those with good genetics and good workout and nutrition habits?

EscortBiz · 10-12-2008, 04:55 PM

when you can afford tons of GH non stop and botox and good trainers and diet experts you can do it

Manowar · 10-12-2008, 04:57 PM

if you saw them in real life they probably look just as rough as normal people, and if you ever got to squeeze their face you'd probably notice the gallons of botox in there

d-null · 10-12-2008, 04:59 PM

don't think botox does anything to make a body look good, it might hide some lines on the face, and lipo doesn't look good in a bikini either, usually lumpy

the Human Growth Hormone theory sounds plausible though, fountain of youth in a needle

Manowar · 10-12-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

don't think botox does anything to make a body look good, it might hide some lines on the face, and lipo doesn't look good in a bikini either, usually lumpy

the Human Growth Hormone theory sounds plausible though, fountain of youth in a needle

damn, that is an amazing body for her age

moneybiz · 10-12-2008, 05:10 PM

They eat really healthy foods high in antioxidents. If you eat healthy and take your vitamins you can age good too.

EscortBiz · 10-12-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by moneybiz

They eat really healthy foods high in antioxidents. If you eat healthy and take your vitamins you can age good too.

cherries

aico · 10-12-2008, 05:14 PM

Because they live in a health conscience area (LA) where pretty much everybody eats healthy and works out regularly, it's normal there. Plus, when your job requires you to look good & be healthy, you tend to do what it takes to look good & be healthy.

Spunky · 10-12-2008, 05:14 PM

Heather looks great for her age

tony286 · 10-12-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

when you can afford tons of GH non stop and botox and good trainers and diet experts you can do it

well said

The Duck · 10-12-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

if you saw them in real life they probably look just as rough as normal people, and if you ever got to squeeze their face you'd probably notice the gallons of botox in there

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d-null · 10-12-2008, 05:33 PM

EscortBiz · 10-12-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

lol anything gensci on the market now is BS

sortie · 10-12-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

just saw a picture of Heather Locklear nearly 50 in a bikini and she looks amazing, and then saw this video of Madonna at 49 years old and she looks hotter than she did when she was in her twenties

is it true that 50 is the new 25, at least for those with good genetics and good workout and nutrition habits?

You are witnessing the first group of people to reach 50 after the "exercise revolution".
The 60's was all drugs and then the 70's came with body building and jogging.
(Jim Fixx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Fixx , Arnold schwarzenegger)

Fixx was more influental then even Arnold!!!

Before 1975, if you went jogging people would ask you where the fire was?
No shit, I'm serious.

It was the start of the low fat diet, weight watchers, the explosion of public gyms such
as Bally's, not just jocks but everyone started lifting weights.

The attack against smoking and the first admission that is was actually bad for you.
The new openess about alcohol abuse and treatment.

And last but now least, new and very highly improved sun block and sun burn awareness.

This is just the visual results of people who started these things in their teens in the 70's.

d-null · 10-12-2008, 06:05 PM

very good points sortie

one thing that is sad that we are seeing in this generation and past is the amount of cancer that seems to be around, even young people in their 30's getting cancer

probably in 100 years they will look back in amazement at all the bad shit that we were eating and doing ie. mercury fillings, pesticides on food, plastic baby bottles, etc etc etc

JA$ON · 10-12-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

You are witnessing the first group of people to reach 50 after the "exercise revolution".
The 60's was all drugs and then the 70's came with body building and jogging.
(Jim Fixx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Fixx , Arnold schwarzenegger)

Fixx was more influental then even Arnold!!!

Before 1975, if you went jogging people would ask you where the fire was?
No shit, I'm serious.

It was the start of the low fat diet, weight watchers, the explosion of public gyms such
as Bally's, not just jocks but everyone started lifting weights.

The attack against smoking and the first admission that is was actually bad for you.
The new openess about alcohol abuse and treatment.

And last but now least, new and very highly improved sun block and sun burn awareness.

This is just the visual results of people who started these things in their teens in the 70's.

Didnt he die young (while running?, lol)

GatorB · 10-12-2008, 06:18 PM

63 year old Helen Mirren

d-null · 10-12-2008, 06:21 PM

as a society we are still eating a shitload of processed foods and processed meats with preservatives and vegetables with pesticide residues etc etc

tranza · 10-12-2008, 06:51 PM

They have their own staff to take care of their looks. That's how they look so hot.

mynameisjim · 10-12-2008, 06:58 PM

Well, if you are considered one of the most beautiful people on the planet at age 25, chances are you will be pretty good looking at 50. Everyone seems to be missing the starting point is pretty good with these people.

If you are average or slightly below average looking at 25, it's just going to get worse in most cases as you age. Although I've seen some people get better looking as they find their own style later in life.

BTW, I've seen some recent pictures of Madonna and she looks like a monster.

sortie · 10-12-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JA$ON

Didnt he die young (while running?, lol)

You should read his book.

Before Jim fixx started jogging his doctor gave him a couple of months to live
because he had such a severe congenital heart condition.
His death was sure to come.

Fixx was advised to avoid sex with his wife because it could cause his heart to
fail. He was depressed and decided to commit suicide.....by running!!!
He went out and ran until he passed out, but he didn't die.
Pissed that his death wish had failed, he tried again the next day.
Once again passing out but not dying.
He kept trying and noticed that he was running farther and farther and farther without
dying. Over time he quit trying to kill himself and begain to enjoy the runs.

He started having sex again, was able to work again, wrote a book and became famous.

So did jogging improve his life? Everyone alive thought so and the joggin crazy began.

How big a deal was this?

I read his book back in the 70's and I typed the above stuff from memory.

I can't type a single quote from Othello but I read it too.

Lamis · 10-12-2008, 07:06 PM

They WASTE 100,000 dollars per month in surgeries, bottox, special gym, new therapies, blood transfusions, ETC ETC ETC...

No, a normal person can't be like them.

They are all fake.

sortie · 10-12-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tranza

They have their own staff to take care of their looks. That's how they look so hot.

Pffft!! And every guy with a bicep is on steriods, and every webmasters making
more than $500 is a spammer, and all good looking tits are fake, and she only gets A's
by cheating, and all the people ahead of you at work fucked their way to the top...etc...

Why can't some people just admit that they are lazy as shit and that's why they don't
get the results that others do?

bloggingseo · 10-12-2008, 07:11 PM

LOL it's the botox!

Manowar · 10-12-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

63 year old Helen Mirren

what a fucking GILF

NinjaSteve · 10-12-2008, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie

You are witnessing the first group of people to reach 50 after the "exercise revolution".
The 60's was all drugs and then the 70's came with body building and jogging.
(Jim Fixx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Fixx , Arnold schwarzenegger)

Fixx was more influental then even Arnold!!!

Before 1975, if you went jogging people would ask you where the fire was?
No shit, I'm serious.

It was the start of the low fat diet, weight watchers, the explosion of public gyms such
as Bally's, not just jocks but everyone started lifting weights.

The attack against smoking and the first admission that is was actually bad for you.
The new openess about alcohol abuse and treatment.

And last but now least, new and very highly improved sun block and sun burn awareness.

This is just the visual results of people who started these things in their teens in the 70's.

This makes a lot of sense. And it seems the better looking people don't smoke or drink, or they do it moderately.

Doctor Dre · 10-12-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

don't think botox does anything to make a body look good, it might hide some lines on the face, and lipo doesn't look good in a bikini either, usually lumpy

the Human Growth Hormone theory sounds plausible though, fountain of youth in a needle

You gotta mix it with a little steroids in order for it to work wonders

webmasterchecks · 10-12-2008, 08:51 PM

well, it has a lot to do with the person. im in my 30s and ive had a chance to meet girls in their teens and seen what they look like 10-12 years later. it takes a combination of good genetics and a good fitness routine to look good when your older, and imo a small % end up achiving that goal.

you see people that start off the same and some end up looking like george clooney at 40 and some end up like they hit a wall, but id say more than half of it is their own will.

webmasterchecks · 10-12-2008, 08:56 PM

and let me also say that this is a subject to where, if somebody looks good at a certain age, people will say, yea, they take this and they take that, but in many cases its just a good fitness routine, good eating habits, and a litte luck.

but its obvious some just quit caring.

sortie · 10-12-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NinjaSteve

This makes a lot of sense. And it seems the better looking people don't smoke or drink, or they do it moderately.

It's all true.

I did the Jim Fixx and the Arnold and it works.

But, you will see post after post of people who live like total slobs and their only
defense is to accuse the people who lived healthy of using some miracle drug or
surgery. It's pathetic.

You can tell these people what works, you can show them the light,
but they will ignore it and tell you that their "health is fundamentally sound".

Antonio · 10-12-2008, 10:00 PM

Human growth hormones

Spunky · 10-12-2008, 10:06 PM

I blame it on vanity.they have money and will spend a fortune to stay young looking.either by trainers or surgery.Hollywood is all about youth

d-null · 10-12-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

I blame it on vanity.they have money and will spend a fortune to stay young looking.either by trainers or surgery.Hollywood is all about youth

blame?

this is the right way man, beer and cigarettes are not the way

sortie · 10-12-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

blame?

this is the right way man, beer and cigarettes are not the way

NicAngel · 10-12-2008, 10:35 PM

she looks great!! good for her!!

d-null · 10-12-2008, 10:37 PM

nobody has commented on Madonna's ASS ?

pretty good shape for a 50 year old woman

10-13-2008, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

I blame it on vanity.they have money and will spend a fortune to stay young looking.either by trainers or surgery.Hollywood is all about youth

Actually I think society in general is pretty vain. Plenty of non famous people will spend a fortune to look young. Plastic surgery is so common now. Kind of sad but true.

mynameisjim · 10-13-2008, 12:41 AM

Madonna looks good????

They disabled right-click but check this photo out.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1475898.ece

d-null · 10-13-2008, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Madonna looks good????

They disabled right-click but check this photo out.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1475898.ece

whoa, she looked great last year, in this photo it looks like she might be anorexic, being that sinewy never looks good at any age

mynameisjim · 10-13-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by d-null

whoa, she looked great last year, in this photo it looks like she might be anorexic, being that sinewy never looks good at any age

I think some of these Hollywood types get too carried away with being skinny so they look good in clothes, but when you see them like that it looks terrible.

That Heather Locklear does look pretty damn good though for her age.

kisskatlyn · 10-13-2008, 01:10 AM

I hope I'm still fucking hot mid 20's men when I am 50

Pleasurepays · 10-13-2008, 05:41 AM

you are singling out a few people that look great.. and ignoring the fact that the bulk of them look like ass without being surrounded with 5 stylists and makeup artists 24hrs a day.

pornguy · 10-13-2008, 05:45 AM

A lot of it comes from the money, and the TIME. I know I know everyone on GFY is a billionair, but they have the time. You are always working.

They make a movie/tv show, and then have a month off or more. They have the TIME.

Drake · 10-13-2008, 06:01 AM

Goldie Hawn has an amazing body for 64, but there is more than meets the eye.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...-Hawn-jog.html

Drake · 10-13-2008, 06:02 AM

Genetics + lifestyle/diet + best of modern cosmetics

Locklear is an exception even for celebs.

cherrylula · 10-13-2008, 06:13 AM

you really think Madonna is still hot?

she has soo much plastic surgery, and has to have a professional cake on makeup to look okay.

If you see them close up, without makeup, they look like freaks.

one more:

vidvicious · 10-13-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

when you can afford tons of GH non stop and botox and good trainers and diet experts you can do it

someone was talking to me about GH and how Muscle builders use it to help build the muscles during down times .. what do you know of GH and how it would help keep someone looking younger ?

d-null · 10-13-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vidvicious

someone was talking to me about GH and how Muscle builders use it to help build the muscles during down times .. what do you know of GH and how it would help keep someone looking younger ?

that is a huge subject way beyond the scope of a few posts in a thread

do some searching for some of the older respected bodybuilding boards on the net, there are 1000's of people experimenting all the time with growth hormone, and many people swear by the rejuvenating effects

it is expensive though, that is the main problem, and also the fact that the government thinks it is fine to infringe on your individual rights to treat yourself and obtain the gh (so much for the land of the free), which is also keeping the prices high

in countries other than the u.s. it is a little more reasonable

10-12-2008, 04:54 PM	#1
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	how do stars look so hot into their 50's? just saw a picture of Heather Locklear nearly 50 in a bikini and she looks amazing, and then saw this video of Madonna at 49 years old and she looks hotter than she did when she was in her twenties is it true that 50 is the new 25, at least for those with good genetics and good workout and nutrition habits? __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

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d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	don't think botox does anything to make a body look good, it might hide some lines on the face, and lipo doesn't look good in a bikini either, usually lumpy the Human Growth Hormone theory sounds plausible though, fountain of youth in a needle __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

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Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,949	Heather looks great for her age __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

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Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	if you saw them in real life they probably look just as rough as normal people, and if you ever got to squeeze their face you'd probably notice the gallons of botox in there

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moneybiz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,391	They eat really healthy foods high in antioxidents. If you eat healthy and take your vitamins you can age good too.

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aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	Because they live in a health conscience area (LA) where pretty much everybody eats healthy and works out regularly, it's normal there. Plus, when your job requires you to look good & be healthy, you tend to do what it takes to look good & be healthy.

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d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	very good points sortie one thing that is sad that we are seeing in this generation and past is the amount of cancer that seems to be around, even young people in their 30's getting cancer probably in 100 years they will look back in amazement at all the bad shit that we were eating and doing ie. mercury fillings, pesticides on food, plastic baby bottles, etc etc etc __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

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GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	63 year old Helen Mirren

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d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	as a society we are still eating a shitload of processed foods and processed meats with preservatives and vegetables with pesticide residues etc etc __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

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tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	They have their own staff to take care of their looks. That's how they look so hot. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

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mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	Well, if you are considered one of the most beautiful people on the planet at age 25, chances are you will be pretty good looking at 50. Everyone seems to be missing the starting point is pretty good with these people. If you are average or slightly below average looking at 25, it's just going to get worse in most cases as you age. Although I've seen some people get better looking as they find their own style later in life. BTW, I've seen some recent pictures of Madonna and she looks like a monster. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

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Lamis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 961	They WASTE 100,000 dollars per month in surgeries, bottox, special gym, new therapies, blood transfusions, ETC ETC ETC... No, a normal person can't be like them. They are all fake.

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webmasterchecks Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,685	well, it has a lot to do with the person. im in my 30s and ive had a chance to meet girls in their teens and seen what they look like 10-12 years later. it takes a combination of good genetics and a good fitness routine to look good when your older, and imo a small % end up achiving that goal. you see people that start off the same and some end up looking like george clooney at 40 and some end up like they hit a wall, but id say more than half of it is their own will. __________________ Webmasterchecks Affiliate Payments - fully compatible with nats/mpa3

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webmasterchecks Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,685	and let me also say that this is a subject to where, if somebody looks good at a certain age, people will say, yea, they take this and they take that, but in many cases its just a good fitness routine, good eating habits, and a litte luck. but its obvious some just quit caring. __________________ Webmasterchecks Affiliate Payments - fully compatible with nats/mpa3

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Antonio Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Spartaaaaaaaaa Posts: 14,136	Human growth hormones

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Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,949	I blame it on vanity.they have money and will spend a fortune to stay young looking.either by trainers or surgery.Hollywood is all about youth __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

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d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	nobody has commented on Madonna's ASS ? pretty good shape for a 50 year old woman __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite Last edited by d-null; 10-12-2008 at 10:39 PM..

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mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	Madonna looks good???? They disabled right-click but check this photo out. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1475898.ece __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

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Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	you are singling out a few people that look great.. and ignoring the fact that the bulk of them look like ass without being surrounded with 5 stylists and makeup artists 24hrs a day.

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pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	A lot of it comes from the money, and the TIME. I know I know everyone on GFY is a billionair, but they have the time. You are always working. They make a movie/tv show, and then have a month off or more. They have the TIME. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Goldie Hawn has an amazing body for 64, but there is more than meets the eye. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...-Hawn-jog.html

10-13-2008, 06:02 AM	#46
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Genetics + lifestyle/diet + best of modern cosmetics Locklear is an exception even for celebs.

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cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	you really think Madonna is still hot? she has soo much plastic surgery, and has to have a professional cake on makeup to look okay. If you see them close up, without makeup, they look like freaks. one more: Last edited by cherrylula; 10-13-2008 at 06:14 AM..