Low Cost Tube Bandwidth

[maxpower]

I am looking around for possibly a new host, I have been with my old host for over 5 years yet I am not sure they can keep down their prices in this downturn in the economy or would be best for a growing site.

100 mbps packages might be best to start with, and I really do have to keep the price down on this. Yet I will need help in transferring my current data from my domains and well as set-up.

Please fill free to list your pricing, and I will get back to you soon.
Thax
Sean

[brassmonkey]

hmm good luck man

[Phil21]

We've been offering some specials lately.. We planned on launching them w/ the launch of a new site, but we've been selling them a bit early due to demand.

For a limited time, we're offering these packages w/ our standard fully managed services.

This is single server + 100meg port (or gige port if you prefer)

Dell PE860
Dual Core P4D 3.0Ghz
2GB RAM
250GB SATA HDD
100Mbit unmetered port, or gige port w/ 100mbit included
$449.95/mo

I can be reached via AIM at philtwoone or [email protected]

Good luck on your search!

[Compdoctor]

you seriously need to talk to Chirs over at Way3.com

[k0nr4d]

I deal almost exclusively with tube sites. I would recommend...

yellowfiber.net
choopa.net
webair.com

[maxpower]

Thax you guys, I will check all these out. So just about everyone offers good reliable servers. I just worry if I change the new host will be slow, or crash a lot

[Bridgette]

We would be happy to help you out at Phatservers. Please feel free to get in touch with me by ICQ (421864528) or email ([email protected]) so that we can work out a quote for you.

[Jens Van Assterdam]

Webair.. no doubts JVA approved !

Edit.. just saw the 250gb deal above.. 250gb for a tube site is a joke! 2,5TB makes more sense for a good start.

[XSV]

Send me an email at sales At phatservers.net with details on your server config needs and I will get you a quote.

[Phil21]

Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

Webair.. no doubts JVA approved !

Edit.. just saw the 250gb deal above.. 250gb for a tube site is a joke! 2,5TB makes more sense for a good start.

Interesting. You don't think you'll hit the I/O capacity of your drives before you can utilize that 2.5TB on a single machine?

You may be surprised.. the average "tube site" is in general fairly small content set wise, at least the ones we host. 250GB more than covers most of them. As they grow, we of course start scaling from there - but drive space is usually the least of anyones concern at that point. In general, the number of spindles is far more important.

[Jens Van Assterdam]

Originally Posted by Phil21

Interesting. You don't think you'll hit the I/O capacity of your drives before you can utilize that 2.5TB on a single machine?

You may be surprised.. the average "tube site" is in general fairly small content set wise, at least the ones we host. 250GB more than covers most of them. As they grow, we of course start scaling from there - but drive space is usually the least of anyones concern at that point. In general, the number of spindles is far more important.

Yeah maybe a tube site with sponsored hosted content but thats no REAL tube site. Whats the point of a tube site? User generated content. Let me know how far you go with 250gb and UGC.
No offense, just my point of view.

[Spudstr]

Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

Webair.. no doubts JVA approved !

Edit.. just saw the 250gb deal above.. 250gb for a tube site is a joke! 2,5TB makes more sense for a good start.

Most tube sites to operate "true" streaming you need a few 15k rpm drives. For a tube site to have over 100gb of videos.. is a lot of videos once you break down to how most average 5-10mb in size.

[SpeakEasy]

As Brad Mitchel said in another thread, if you need 4-6 dollar bandwidth to make a few bucks then you're fucked anyway and might as well go to McDonalds now.

[maxpower]

Ya I burn more than 300 gigs a day and growing fast, so that is not much of a help. I do not even want to think about gig packages it is kind of a joke to me anyway.

My server config right now is soooooooooo simple really if that helps I do not even run a tube script’ at all Yet I will need a huge amount of BW going forward.

About that, once I hit 100 mbps on the new server, should I then start adding new separate servers of 100 mbps each or start thinking about 500mbps packages?

[Sin_Vraal]

Originally Posted by maxpower

I am looking around for possibly a new host, I have been with my old host for over 5 years yet I am not sure they can keep down their prices in this downturn in the economy or would be best for a growing site.

100 mbps packages might be best to start with, and I really do have to keep the price down on this. Yet I will need help in transferring my current data from my domains and well as set-up.

Please fill free to list your pricing, and I will get back to you soon.
Thax
Sean

My contact info is in the Sig. Can get you great pricing

[Sosa]

I'm sure Brad and Mojohost would work out a great deal for you.

[GTS Mark]

Choopa/Webair/Mojohost are all great hosts!

[Spudstr]

Originally Posted by SpeakEasy

As Brad Mitchel said in another thread, if you need 4-6 dollar bandwidth to make a few bucks then you're fucked anyway and might as well go to McDonalds now.

Considaring anyone that runs a real network with the correct connections/contact can get peering traffic to dramaticly drop the cost of bandwidth for your network. 1-2/Mbps on average cost for peering traffic is easy to come around.

[Spudstr]

Originally Posted by maxpower

Ya I burn more than 300 gigs a day and growing fast, so that is not much of a help. I do not even want to think about gig packages it is kind of a joke to me anyway.

My server config right now is soooooooooo simple really if that helps I do not even run a tube script? at all Yet I will need a huge amount of BW going forward.

About that, once I hit 100 mbps on the new server, should I then start adding new separate servers of 100 mbps each or start thinking about 500mbps packages?

Given the correct box and software i.e single quad with 4-8gb ram or dual quad with 4x 15k sas drives you can easily do 700Mbps out of a single machine.

[Phil21]

Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

Yeah maybe a tube site with sponsored hosted content but thats no REAL tube site. Whats the point of a tube site? User generated content. Let me know how far you go with 250gb and UGC.
No offense, just my point of view.

No offense taken at all We run the gamut, and I will say that in general you'll max out your drive I/O capacity before you fully utilize 250GB.

We host some sites w/ over 40TB of content - these sites obviously have a *much* different architecture than your standard dedicated server configurations you'll see mass-marketed Scaling static content is fairly interesting to me, and it's a fun time w/ the numerous technologies out there (fusionIO, huge RAM cache boxes, SSD, etc.).


As for your question Maxpower - it depends! In general, a single server should be able to easily push far more than 100mbit. However, in the end your content set and user access patterns will dictate your growth path on the static end.

-Phil

Contact to me, icq 122336844, special tube solutions from 100 mbits.
You can push 1800-1900 mbits per server, special setup.

[danayster]

Hi, my "real user generated content" tube site is chewing up 2.5 TBs of bandwidth a day so Im also looking to move around. Basically getting around 80k uniques a day at the moment. Im hosting the main site on a dual quad core with 4 gigs ram with Theplanet (peak hours hit 5k unique visitors) and the load jumps to almost 20 but it still handles. Theplanet is basically a super premium main stream host.

For the video streaming servers I'm using 10tb.com which is basically a reseller of softlayer.com I've had no problem at all with their servers. I have 3 video servers with them and they work great, they have unbelievable prices. Starting at $199 for 10TBs quad cores!

In all honesty, you really only need super premium Tier 1 bandwidth for your main web server but not for the streaming servers, especially for a tube site.

30TBs is not nearly enough for me though so Im considering possibly moving to choopa.com or another host that offers full pipes, perhaps 250MB dedicated will do for me. I sometimes peak at 300 but 250 may be fine. I have to keep the overhead down.

[WiredGuy]

I'm also looking for the same kind of thing, 100 megabit plans for sub $6/megabit rates. I have one new host I'm signing with today and could use more.
WG

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by danayster

For the video streaming servers I'm using 10tb.com which is basically a reseller of softlayer.com I've had no problem at all with their servers. I have 3 video servers with them and they work great, they have unbelievable prices. Starting at $199 for 10TBs quad cores!

I was actually talking to them this morning, 10tb for 199 is great, but they don't easily accomodate overage. They were suggesting I buy 2-3 packages and do DNS shuffling on them which I don't like. I'd rather just get 1 server and get a 30TB package which they can't seem to be able to do.
WG

[k0nr4d]

Jens, they are right. Tubes dont take up THAT much space. 250gb is plenty and the biggest problem is in fact disk i/o. Best solution is like 4 drives in a mirrored striped array.

[danayster]

Yea, thats the problem I've been having. The 10TBs gets eaten up quick then I have to move content from one server to another. Pain in the butt. Im not really using all 3 servers at once, Im using one at a time until the 10tbs run out then I move everything over. So basically one server is more than capable of handling the traffic, I just need more bandwidth allotted to the one server.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by danayster

Yea, thats the problem I've been having. The 10TBs gets eaten up quick then I have to move content from one server to another. Pain in the butt. Im not really using all 3 servers at once, Im using one at a time until the 10tbs run out then I move everything over. So basically one server is more than capable of handling the traffic, I just need more bandwidth allotted to the one server.

Are you doing the DNS shuffle or rotating servers or could you find a way to more easily do this? The last thing I want to do is login every few days to rotate servers/DNS servers.
WG

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Are you doing the DNS shuffle or rotating servers or could you find a way to more easily do this? The last thing I want to do is login every few days to rotate servers/DNS servers.
WG

You can setup roundrobin dns on your dns server and have it randomly load a server on every user request...

[Phil21]

WiredGuy,

I'd love to talk to you further regarding your needs.

I honestly do not understand the folks that absolutely limit bandwidth on a given server - it's a cost savings on my end to have you use 300Mbit on a single machine, rather than 100Mbit on 3 separate machines.

Let me know what I have to do to win your business

[danayster]

No, im changing the server my videos point to in MYSQL and physically copying over the files. Trust me, you dont want to deal with that type of a headache. Stick with the direction your heading in lol Its where Im looking to go now. Except its a 1500$ plus commitment. Has me a bit uncertain.

Is it me, or I dont seem to get email notifications from threads on this site? It says Im subscribed but I dont get anything.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

You can setup roundrobin dns on your dns server and have it randomly load a server on every user request...

I can't... I can't go into the details why, but lets just say that requests are not going thru DNS. I checked with a few sysadmins at 10tb, enabling/disabling the server is the only real option I can do.
WG

[WebairGerard]

Originally Posted by maxpower

I am looking around for possibly a new host, I have been with my old host for over 5 years yet I am not sure they can keep down their prices in this downturn in the economy or would be best for a growing site.

100 mbps packages might be best to start with, and I really do have to keep the price down on this. Yet I will need help in transferring my current data from my domains and well as set-up.

Please fill free to list your pricing, and I will get back to you soon.
Thax
Sean

Hi Sean please feel free to contact me to discuss and we will work up a nice deal for you.

[danayster]

Originally Posted by Phil21

WiredGuy,

I'd love to talk to you further regarding your needs.

I honestly do not understand the folks that absolutely limit bandwidth on a given server - it's a cost savings on my end to have you use 300Mbit on a single machine, rather than 100Mbit on 3 separate machines.

Let me know what I have to do to win your business

Hi Phil, whats the best price you can offer on a 300MB pipe? dual core 2 gig ram would do. Just for a video streaming, dont need any raid or super CPU power.

[Phil21]

Originally Posted by danayster

No, im changing the server my videos point to in MYSQL and physically copying over the files. Trust me, you dont want to deal with that type of a headache. Stick with the direction your heading in lol Its where Im looking to go now. Except its a 1500$ plus commitment. Has me a bit uncertain.

Is it me, or I dont seem to get email notifications from threads on this site? It says Im subscribed but I dont get anything.

danayster,

If you don't mind, I'd love to talk to you regarding a competitive solution for what you described in your earlier posts. We have some customers pushing 1800Mbit on single machines, so we're well versed in getting the most from a single box.

I'm perfectly happy giving out some free trials if you like as well, so you can see what we offer first hand. Luckily, static content is very easy to move around - so taking advantage of the latest deal is usually not that huge of a headache if you're with a quality host.

Decent thread either way though

[Phil21]

Originally Posted by danayster

Hi Phil, whats the best price you can offer on a 300MB pipe? dual core 2 gig ram would do. Just for a video streaming, dont need any raid or super CPU power.

You'd be looking at roughly $1350/mo - depending a bit on final server configuration you desire (drive setup mostly). Within $100-150 of that price nearly no matter what though.

-Phil

[zentz]

im paying $500 per 100mbps at alphared, unmanaged. since i just saw some better deals here i might move out to one of those soon.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by Phil21

danayster,

If you don't mind, I'd love to talk to you regarding a competitive solution for what you described in your earlier posts. We have some customers pushing 1800Mbit on single machines, so we're well versed in getting the most from a single box.

Do you have any suggestions/solutions to cutting back CPU use from Java? I'm loaded up on Dual Quadcore's with 4 gig RAM. RAM use is about 2.5 - 3.0 gig, but CPU is always 100% and its limiting my ability to increase bandwidth usage. Single core CPU, I can push 15-20 megabit, Dual core, I can push maybe 50 megabit, Dual Quadcore I can hit 70 megabit per server. I'd like to get that up towards 100 megabit as the hardware cost is killing my ROI when I need to spread it over multiple boxes. I've been using Windows as believe it or not, Windows has a better CPU management for java than linux so I'm also getting killed in license fees to microsoft.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Sincerely,
WG

[Phil21]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Do you have any suggestions/solutions to cutting back CPU use from Java? I'm loaded up on Dual Quadcore's with 4 gig RAM. RAM use is about 2.5 - 3.0 gig, but CPU is always 100% and its limiting my ability to increase bandwidth usage. Single core CPU, I can push 15-20 megabit, Dual core, I can push maybe 50 megabit, Dual Quadcore I can hit 70 megabit per server. I'd like to get that up towards 100 megabit as the hardware cost is killing my ROI when I need to spread it over multiple boxes. I've been using Windows as believe it or not, Windows has a better CPU management for java than linux so I'm also getting killed in license fees to microsoft.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Sincerely,
WG

This is probably better suited towards private communication as I'm sure there are some details of your setup you won't want public. I can be reached via [email protected], or if you prefer AIM/ICQ philtwoone/25285313.

I am mostly curious as to why you're utilizing Java for static content. Are you doing live streaming? Or something else?

Java, in my opinion, is freaking horrible. I cringe whenever we have to support something running it :/

Thanks!

-Phil

[danayster]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Do you have any suggestions/solutions to cutting back CPU use from Java? I'm loaded up on Dual Quadcore's with 4 gig RAM. RAM use is about 2.5 - 3.0 gig, but CPU is always 100% and its limiting my ability to increase bandwidth usage. Single core CPU, I can push 15-20 megabit, Dual core, I can push maybe 50 megabit, Dual Quadcore I can hit 70 megabit per server. I'd like to get that up towards 100 megabit as the hardware cost is killing my ROI when I need to spread it over multiple boxes. I've been using Windows as believe it or not, Windows has a better CPU management for java than linux so I'm also getting killed in license fees to microsoft.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Sincerely,
WG

Well, Im currently using the stock Linux for my web server but I switched to lighttpd for the video streaming servers. I personally wouldn't trust windows for anything web server based. The OS alone most likely adds over head.

Which tube script are you using? Im using Agriya Rayzz but My site was killing me with server load until I had an expert MYSQL coder debug all the slow queries in that script. Server couldn't even handle 15k uniques back then, after the fixes Im at 80k and server still has its chest popping out like a football player thats ready to take on a massive truck. As we speak server load is at 18 and pages still load quick, and server has no lag lol I love it.

Do you get emails when this thread is responded to? I dont get nada

[danayster]

Originally Posted by Phil21

This is probably better suited towards private communication as I'm sure there are some details of your setup you won't want public. I can be reached via [email protected], or if you prefer AIM/ICQ philtwoone/25285313.

I am mostly curious as to why you're utilizing Java for static content. Are you doing live streaming? Or something else?

Java, in my opinion, is freaking horrible. I cringe whenever we have to support something running it :/

Thanks!

-Phil

Yea, Im also curious why java is involved. Animated Rotating Thumbs maybe?

Not a bad price at all Phil, let me look at my numbers tonight and I may be contacted you regarding this.

[Techie Media]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Do you have any suggestions/solutions to cutting back CPU use from Java? I'm loaded up on Dual Quadcore's with 4 gig RAM. RAM use is about 2.5 - 3.0 gig, but CPU is always 100% and its limiting my ability to increase bandwidth usage. Single core CPU, I can push 15-20 megabit, Dual core, I can push maybe 50 megabit, Dual Quadcore I can hit 70 megabit per server. I'd like to get that up towards 100 megabit as the hardware cost is killing my ROI when I need to spread it over multiple boxes. I've been using Windows as believe it or not, Windows has a better CPU management for java than linux so I'm also getting killed in license fees to microsoft.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Sincerely,
WG

Charles as I am not in the biz of selling cheap 4.00 bandwidth I am however in the biz of knowing how to setup, run, program and administer High Quality Hosting and have earned the reputation of such. OK from the small amount of information you have posted here I can say (with confidence) your setup is all wrong. Take a good look at what my buddy Phill21 wrote and Listen to him. Phill is one of the best admins around and knows what he is doing. From what he wrote here he is on the right path. I suggest contacting him and keep an open mind to what he says...

Good Luck

[Jens Van Assterdam]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Jens, they are right. Tubes dont take up THAT much space. 250gb is plenty and the biggest problem is in fact disk i/o. Best solution is like 4 drives in a mirrored striped array.

We add movies since a couple of days and just added another 750gb as well as an extra server for the load balance.
250gb wont last longer then a week on my end.
Hit me on icq and ill shoot you some details

[maxpower]

I just wanted to say thank you, to all that contributed to this tread. I have found it very informative, and I am a bit humbled hearing about the T packages too

I will of course be in contact with many of you soon, and do look forward to taking with you more.

Thax
SEan

[NETBilling-Andy]

Hey guys - if you can shoot me an email at [email protected] - i would be happy to get each of you an individual quote.

Charles - also, we would certainly be happy to do a call with our Sales Engineers and go over our recommendation for what you're trying to do. Bandwidth is cheap - it's a matter of making sure you have the right setup from the beginning. Also - we can talk about how CDN might fit into the equation as well - to offload alot of work from the server to the CDN.

[Rodent]

We have a few specials running this month if anyone is interested in discussing them.

A sample would be,

Quad Core Intel Xeon
4GB Ram
500Gb Sata
100Mbit Bw
$599/Month

If you need assistance with your setup to spread/decrease your loads our techs can assist and show you pointers to do this. Once you are big enough you will of course want to invest in a more robust drive setup.

www.ReliableServers.Com
icq: 3835797 aim: DavidHindman
david at reliableservers.com

[Lightning]

Originally Posted by Rodent

We have a few specials running this month if anyone is interested in discussing them.

A sample would be,

Quad Core Intel Xeon
4GB Ram
500Gb Sata
100Mbit Bw
$599/Month

If you need assistance with your setup to spread/decrease your loads our techs can assist and show you pointers to do this. Once you are big enough you will of course want to invest in a more robust drive setup.

www.ReliableServers.Com
icq: 3835797 aim: DavidHindman
david at reliableservers.com

Arent you a reseller of Choopa?

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by Techie Media

Charles as I am not in the biz of selling cheap 4.00 bandwidth I am however in the biz of knowing how to setup, run, program and administer High Quality Hosting and have earned the reputation of such. OK from the small amount of information you have posted here I can say (with confidence) your setup is all wrong. Take a good look at what my buddy Phill21 wrote and Listen to him. Phill is one of the best admins around and knows what he is doing. From what he wrote here he is on the right path. I suggest contacting him and keep an open mind to what he says...

Good Luck

I plan on writing Phil just after I'm done with this thread.
The setup I've been on has been tweaked for nearly a year and I'd love some input from a tech as I've had 2 people thoroughly go through it.
WG

[jay23]

WG, If you have the source code for Java look at the option of getting a static compiler to compile the Java code or you can allways go and get http://www.azulsystems.com/ , you should see few of them on ebay as Lehman Brothers was using them a lot

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by jay23

WG, If you have the source code for Java look at the option of getting a static compiler to compile the Java code or you can allways go and get http://www.azulsystems.com/ , you should see few of them on ebay as Lehman Brothers was using them a lot

Do you know any static compilers and more importantly, do you know any with a track record of improving the CPU management/performance?
WG

[jay23]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Do you know any static compilers and more importantly, do you know any with a track record of improving the CPU management/performance?
WG

http://schmidt.devlib.org/java/compilers.html

Interesting to see that TowerJ which i used in the past has gone out of biz. May be their is no market.