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David! · 10-10-2008, 12:05 PM

A vote for Obama is a vote for the end of times.
50 words...

SuckOnThis · 10-10-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkland

Not sure where you are from but hear this, cause I get fucking sick of hearing it...

If you as a US Citizen don't think you are free or feel your freedom in infringed, try go living in a country that doesn't have any at all and see what it is really like. Till then STFU...

Another FOX News watching right wing dumbfuck that believes the US is the only country on the planet where people have supposed freedom.

You happy about the NSA eavesdropping on US soldiers having phone sex with their wives?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27107196/

Assholes like you have fucked this country up beyond repair.

dav3 · 10-10-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TTiger

Barak Obama supports radical muslims.[/url]

You do realize that the American government extensively supported the mujahideen, with military weapons and training, in the 80's, right?

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The People's Republic of China also sold Type 56 (AKM) assault rifles and Type 69 RPGs to mujahideen in co-operation with the CIA, as did Egypt with assault rifles. Of particular significance was the donation of American-made FIM-92 Stinger anti-aircraft missile systems, which increased aircraft losses of the Soviet Air Force.[48]

In March 1985 the U.S. government adopted National Security Decision Directive (NSDD) 166, which set a goal of military victory for the mujahideen. After 1985 the CIA and ISI placed greater pressure on the mujahideen to attack regime strongholds. Under direct instructions from Director of Central Intelligence William Casey, the CIA initiated programs for training Afghans in techniques such as car bombs and assassinations and in engaging in cross-border raids into the USSR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan

Isn't it nice to know that the CIA trained terrorists how to effectively use car bombs and carry out assassinations, with taxpayer funds?

spacedog · 10-10-2008, 12:18 PM

Know what, none of it really fucking matters. PERIOD!

Bottom line is that the country is divided by this false two party system.

Bottom line is that this country needs to band together and do something about it.

We sit here and bitch and complain about a vast variety of things, many of which are entirely irrelavent to the issues we face. We go back and forth arguing and flaming in regards to a vast sea of information where everyone has their own opinions and interpretations of the facts as they're presented.

Our nation was founded upon certain principles and ideals. We continue to sit idle and watch our nation change whereby right before our very eyes our rights, liberties and freedoms that made us what we are have been systematically stripped away according to a plan of incrementalism committed by the powers that be.

Change can come in various ways, however, when you bind yourself to the divisions forced upon you, the changes which you expect can, and will have disastrous consequences.

So, remember this, come January 20th there's not going to be any room for regret when the "change" you so blindly embraced is jammed and forced down your throat.

As long as we continue to support either of the two presented in this two party system, the changes WILL have disastrous consequences.

Remember this simple single fact. When you cast your ballot on Nov 4th for either of the two party candidates, you are REJECTING AMERICA AS IT WAS. You will be providing consent of the governed to the powers that be whom have a systematic plan to not only change America as we know it, but the world.

The principles we uphold as Americans are those of our nations founding fathers.. The moment we allow 'CHANGE" to divert away from those principles is the moment we are chained by the tyranny our nations founding fathers were escaping from, the very thing they intended on preventing via the constitution, the bill of rights and the declaration of independence.

These principles and ideals are the VERY THING that made America what it is, so remember, once you cast your ballot this November, they're gone, FOREVER!

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But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever."

John Adams, letter to Abigail Adams, 1775

RP Fade · 10-10-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

Bottom line is that the country is divided by this false two party system.

Bottom line is that this country needs to band together and do something about it.

It is divided, not necessarily along political lines, but along the lines of as a cultural and social levels. I see it as a changing of the guard. I see it as the country shedding it's skin and ushering a new era of citizens, voters, philosophies and ideologies. This was obvious in the primaries, with the democratic ticket and with the Reps VP pick to name a few. You can also look at some elected official like Arnold and Jesse Ventura as more evidence of this new outlook. Whether it's right or wrong, I don't think anyone can deny this..

Baby boomers have been running this country for the last 50 years for the most part and I think statistic show that they are now beginning to decline giving rise to the generations from the 60's and 70's. Its basically old vs new, change (not political change, but social and cultural moreso) vs what we're accustomed to. Not all change is good. Not everything that's old is bad. Whichever way you look at it, we're definitely in a period of transition in this country..

seeric · 10-10-2008, 12:33 PM

no thanks.

propaganda machine.

spacedog · 10-10-2008, 01:01 PM

pocketkangaroo · 10-10-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

Remember this simple single fact. When you cast your ballot on Nov 4th for either of the two party candidates, you are REJECTING AMERICA AS IT WAS. You will be providing consent of the governed to the powers that be whom have a systematic plan to not only change America as we know it, but the world.

The principles we uphold as Americans are those of our nations founding fathers.. The moment we allow 'CHANGE" to divert away from those principles is the moment we are chained by the tyranny our nations founding fathers were escaping from, the very thing they intended on preventing via the constitution, the bill of rights and the declaration of independence.

America "as it was" allowed slavery and sedition laws. It didn't allow women to vote, file divorce, or own property. It didn't allow you to have a relationship with someone of another race. It didn't even allow you to technically directly vote for you President. Children had no protections from hard labor and physical/sexual abuse.

So is "change" from our founding fathers really bad? Would you want to go back to those principles? Because if so, you wouldn't be posting on a porn board and we'd all be in jail.

pocketkangaroo · 10-10-2008, 01:15 PM

And just so you know, the guy you quoted (John Adams) signed the Alien and Sedition Act into place. This would mean that most of your posts here would be punishable by jail time and in some cases death. How about those principles!

imabro · 10-10-2008, 01:18 PM

[QUOTE=nation-x;14878918]it's very easy to control the weak minded... [QUOTE]

gfy proves daily

Drake · 10-10-2008, 01:23 PM

*yawn*

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bushwacker · 10-10-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

America "as it was" allowed slavery and sedition laws. It didn't allow women to vote, file divorce, or own property. It didn't allow you to have a relationship with someone of another race. It didn't even allow you to technically directly vote for you President. Children had no protections from hard labor and physical/sexual abuse.

So is "change" from our founding fathers really bad? Would you want to go back to those principles? Because if so, you wouldn't be posting on a porn board and we'd all be in jail.

Well said!!

Drake · 10-10-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

The guy who made that is Jeromse Corsi. He also believes a few other things.

- That we have been secretly producing Ameros.
- That we blew up the WTC with explosives.
- Believes in a crazy theory of how oil is formed (abiogenic petroleum theory).
- Regularly appears on white supremest radio shows.
- That we will merge with Mexico and Canada.
- Frequently calls catholics and muslims pedophiles.

You are in good company believing him!

Jeromse Corsi is a well known conspiracy theorist crackpot? Who would have thunk? I love wiki.

Drake · 10-10-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RP Fade

Look, people see/hear what they want to see/hear. It works on both sides. My question is candidates for political office go thru extensive vetting and background checks. Do you really think the CIA, FBI and other authorities simply 'overlooked' this 'radicalism' or you think they're in on it too? You think he just slipped under the radar and went unchecked to the senate and may go unchecked to the white house?

If you're gonna talk about affiliations and extremism it goes both ways. What about Palin's association with radical right wing groups? What McCain's relationship with radical pastor Rod Parsley? What about his relationship with anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic pastor John Hagee? What about McCain's association with Shelley Shannon who is accused of shooting and wounding an abortion doctor? What about Palin's 'exorcism' with a witch doctor?

You're preaching to the choir. This is no place for logic and reason.

spacedog · 10-10-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

America "as it was" allowed slavery and sedition laws. It didn't allow women to vote, file divorce, or own property. It didn't allow you to have a relationship with someone of another race. It didn't even allow you to technically directly vote for you President. Children had no protections from hard labor and physical/sexual abuse.

So is "change" from our founding fathers really bad? Would you want to go back to those principles? Because if so, you wouldn't be posting on a porn board and we'd all be in jail.

You're looking at it the wrong way. I am referring to the principles of the constitution, the bill of rights and the declaration of independence, nothing else.

The change your candidate so desires is dangerous to the principle of LIBERTY! You're basically asking for the government to CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF YOUR LIFE, when it is WE THE PEOPLE whom have the power to control the government... Can't you fucking see that THEY are systematically reducing the powers of WE THE PEOPLE!

How many more rights are you willing to lose?
How many freedoms are you willing to give up?

Are you ready to DIE FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, BECAUSE IT IS COMING!
Maybe not tommorow, maybe not soon, but definitely within your lifetime.

WE THE PEOPLE continue to cling to our separate identies and it is this that keeps the power OUT OF OUR HANDS AND IN THEIRS.

As long as we continue to identify ourselves as African Americans, or Hispanic Americans, or White American, etc, etc we shall continue to be divided and fall.

As long as we continue to conflict in philosophy, politics and social ideal, we shall continue to fall.

It is not suggested that we no longer conflict or have our own viewpoints, but that we identify as ONE, that WE THE PEOPLE are UNITED IN BROTHERHOOD, AS FELLOW COUNTRYMEN, THAT WE ARE AMERICAN.

This isn't about black or white, green or purple, but LIBERTY.

Did America in it's history make mistakes. Goddamn right it did, it made many. We are not a perfect nation, but over the years we recognized our shortcomings and overcame them in our continued effort to uphold the ideals of the constitution, bill of rights and declaration of independence.

Are you willing to make a grave mistake with dire consequences that breaks those achievments?

Are you prepared to be subject, or shall you remain a free man as you always were?

baddog · 10-10-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

The guy who made that is Jeromse Corsi. He also believes a few other things.

- That we have been secretly producing Ameros.
- That we blew up the WTC with explosives.
- Believes in a crazy theory of how oil is formed (abiogenic petroleum theory).
- Regularly appears on white supremest radio shows.
- That we will merge with Mexico and Canada.
- Frequently calls catholics and muslims pedophiles.

You are in good company believing him!

Sounds like a typical list of threads found daily on GFY.

Darkland · 10-10-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Another FOX News watching right wing dumbfuck that believes the US is the only country on the planet where people have supposed freedom.

You happy about the NSA eavesdropping on US soldiers having phone sex with their wives?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27107196/

Assholes like you have fucked this country up beyond repair.

And you are a typical one tracked thinker. I never said we didn't have problems and I also never said we were the only ones with supposed freedom. Please point that out. But it is always easier to point a finger and call names right? You must be some kind of fucking genius to have summed me up passed on one post.

You are pathetic...

pocketkangaroo · 10-10-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

You're looking at it the wrong way. I am referring to the principles of the constitution, the bill of rights and the declaration of independence, nothing else.

The change your candidate so desires is dangerous to the principle of LIBERTY! You're basically asking for the government to CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF YOUR LIFE, when it is WE THE PEOPLE whom have the power to control the government... Can't you fucking see that THEY are systematically reducing the powers of WE THE PEOPLE!

How many more rights are you willing to lose?
How many freedoms are you willing to give up?

Are you ready to DIE FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, BECAUSE IT IS COMING!
Maybe not tommorow, maybe not soon, but definitely within your lifetime.

WE THE PEOPLE continue to cling to our separate identies and it is this that keeps the power OUT OF OUR HANDS AND IN THEIRS.

As long as we continue to identify ourselves as African Americans, or Hispanic Americans, or White American, etc, etc we shall continue to be divided and fall.

As long as we continue to conflict in philosophy, politics and social ideal, we shall continue to fall.

It is not suggested that we no longer conflict or have our own viewpoints, but that we identify as ONE, that WE THE PEOPLE are UNITED IN BROTHERHOOD, AS FELLOW COUNTRYMEN, THAT WE ARE AMERICAN.

This isn't about black or white, green or purple, but LIBERTY.

Did America in it's history make mistakes. Goddamn right it did, it made many. We are not a perfect nation, but over the years we recognized our shortcomings and overcame them in our continued effort to uphold the ideals of the constitution, bill of rights and declaration of independence.

Are you willing to make a grave mistake with dire consequences that breaks those achievments?

Are you prepared to be subject, or shall you remain a free man as you always were?

What liberties and freedoms are we losing by voting for Obama? Yelling liberty, freedom and other crap means nothing if you don't show examples of what you're talking about.

And like I said, you can talk about the ideals of the founding fathers and their documents, but just remember those freedoms only counted for white men who owned property.

Darkland · 10-10-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

You happy about the NSA eavesdropping on US soldiers having phone sex with their wives?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27107196/

I don't see anything factual in there other than "Allegations" You know what those are right?

In case you don't, let me help you...
Allegation:
A statement asserting something without proof

I usually reserve my judgment for facts, thank you very much.

spacedog · 10-10-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

And like I said, you can talk about the ideals of the founding fathers and their documents, but just remember those freedoms only counted for white men who owned property.

Thanks for proving a point. That exact mentality and point of view is the one and same preached in black liberation theology as well as by african american racists. It is my opinion that Obama feels the same way about it, and that's one reason he should never be entrusted to ever be in the office as President of The United States of America.

You are an ignorant fool if you think "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL" only applies to white men who owned property. "MEN" in that quote is not in the context of singular identity, but "MANKIND", meaning, ALL HUMAN BEINGS.

These documents were not written with any separatism and anyone implying otherwise is uneducated. The writers of these documents did not give us these rights, they ACKNOWLEDGED THEM as our rights as human beings.

pocketkangaroo · 10-10-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

Thanks for proving a point. That exact mentality and point of view is the one and same preached in black liberation theology as well as by african american racists. It is my opinion that Obama feels the same way about it, and that's one reason he should never be entrusted to ever be in the office as President of The United States of America.

You are an ignorant fool if you think "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL" only applies to white men who owned property. "MEN" in that quote is not in the context of singular identity, but "MANKIND", meaning, ALL HUMAN BEINGS.

These documents were not written with any separatism and anyone implying otherwise is uneducated. The writers of these documents did not give us these rights, they ACKNOWLEDGED THEM as our rights as human beings.

The constitution expressly discusses slaves (although it is careful not to use the word slave). Not to mention that slaves were never even considered to be covered under the constitution. They were considered property and ruled under individual slave laws in each state that were in part written by our founding fathers. Lets not forget that many of our founding fathers owned slaves of their own.

And our founding fathers didn't mention women. "All MEN are created equal". To believe that they assumed men to mean mankind is absurd. Women were treated as second class citizens with no rights. The laws our founding fathers put in place didn't allow them to have these rights.

You can pretend our founding fathers were somehow card carrying members of the ACLU, but they weren't. Few of them fought to have women's rights expanded, and fewer to abolish slavery. The term "consent of the governed" specifically meant men who owned property. It is why they were the only ones allowed to vote.

And the irony in this whole discussion is that you take the liberal position in this argument. You take the position Barack Obama would on the interpretation of our rights. It is conservatives who didn't believe those documents gave the right for women to vote, blacks to be free, or you to promote porn. If those are your true beliefs, you should be voting for Barack Obama.

Nonetheless, you didn't answer my question. What freedoms and liberties are we going to lose? It is my opinion that we have much more freedom now than we ever did. Women can vote, blacks can do whatever they want, and I have the ability to protest my dislike for the government. How can you possibly believe that we had more freedom back then?

nico-t · 10-10-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I don't want to be an international citizen; I want to be a free American.

aico · 10-10-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

On the contrary,

He was BORN AND RAISED MUSLIM.

His father was a muslim
His step father was a muslim

I was born and raised a Christian, my mother is a Christian, my father is a Christian, my grandmother was a christian.

I think Christianity is one of the biggest evils known to mankind. So that pretty much blows your theory out of the water.

Miguel T · 10-10-2008, 05:55 PM

Shut up Republican. Obama 4 President.

spacedog · 10-10-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

The constitution expressly discusses slaves (although it is careful not to use the word slave). Not to mention that slaves were never even considered to be covered under the constitution. They were considered property and ruled under individual slave laws in each state that were in part written by our founding fathers. Lets not forget that many of our founding fathers owned slaves of their own.

And our founding fathers didn't mention women. "All MEN are created equal". To believe that they assumed men to mean mankind is absurd. Women were treated as second class citizens with no rights. The laws our founding fathers put in place didn't allow them to have these rights.

You can pretend our founding fathers were somehow card carrying members of the ACLU, but they weren't. Few of them fought to have women's rights expanded, and fewer to abolish slavery. The term "consent of the governed" specifically meant men who owned property. It is why they were the only ones allowed to vote.

And the irony in this whole discussion is that you take the liberal position in this argument. You take the position Barack Obama would on the interpretation of our rights. It is conservatives who didn't believe those documents gave the right for women to vote, blacks to be free, or you to promote porn. If those are your true beliefs, you should be voting for Barack Obama.

Nonetheless, you didn't answer my question. What freedoms and liberties are we going to lose? It is my opinion that we have much more freedom now than we ever did. Women can vote, blacks can do whatever they want, and I have the ability to protest my dislike for the government. How can you possibly believe that we had more freedom back then?

I never said we had more freedom back then. You're not listening.. FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING MEN WHO WROTE IF FOR CHRISTS SAKES... It is about the goddamn DOCUMENTS THEMSELVES. Get over the fucking slavery hangup will you.. WHITES WERE SLAVES TOO!

As far as what freedoms and liberties you'll lose, OPEN YOUR GODDAMN EYES. Our rights have been slowly and systematically eroded over the years, most recently under the Bush administration. Do you have any fucking clue whatsoever what kind of Dictatorship Obama can give himself with all the shit Bush signed into law? Do you?

Obama, Bush, McCain, there's no fucking difference.. They're on the same goddamned team, just different packages with different sales pitches and methods.. It's the same fucking machine.

pocketkangaroo · 10-10-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

I never said we had more freedom back then. You're not listening.. FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING MEN WHO WROTE IF FOR CHRISTS SAKES... It is about the goddamn DOCUMENTS THEMSELVES. Get over the fucking slavery hangup will you.. WHITES WERE SLAVES TOO!

As far as what freedoms and liberties you'll lose, OPEN YOUR GODDAMN EYES. Our rights have been slowly and systematically eroded over the years, most recently under the Bush administration. Do you have any fucking clue whatsoever what kind of Dictatorship Obama can give himself with all the shit Bush signed into law? Do you?

Obama, Bush, McCain, there's no fucking difference.. They're on the same goddamned team, just different packages with different sales pitches and methods.. It's the same fucking machine.

You still haven't named any rights that Obama is going to take away from you. All I hear is how you can copy and paste an e-mail from some mouth breather proclaiming he's a secret Muslim terrorist.

And let me get this straight. You are upset that the Republican President has taken away rights of yours (which he has), so you tell everyone not to vote for the Democrat President?

Please let me know what rights Obama is planning to take away from us. We all want to know.

V_RocKs · 10-10-2008, 06:27 PM

U R so smart!

I smoke crack rocks and I am a dumb dumb poo-poo head!

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David! By the wrath of Agamemnon Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 6,501	A vote for Obama is a vote for the end of times. 50 words... __________________ .

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seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	no thanks. propaganda machine.

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spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149

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pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	And just so you know, the guy you quoted (John Adams) signed the Alien and Sedition Act into place. This would mean that most of your posts here would be punishable by jail time and in some cases death. How about those principles!

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imabro Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 871	[QUOTE=nation-x;14878918]it's very easy to control the weak minded... [QUOTE] gfy proves daily

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	yawn .

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	U R so smart! I smoke crack rocks and I am a dumb dumb poo-poo head!