Originally Posted by myboringlife (Post 14855066)

I read the headline and thought.. hrmm, how horrible.. wtf is wrong with this country?! That's way too much time for someone that's just making a few porn movies. Then when you get down to the facts of the case.. wow, that's really not enough time at all. This sicko is getting his jollies and creating a whole new feast for all the creeps out there that can't find enough crap to feed their sick brains. There is far too much violence in our culture today, including mainstream media. Now they should go after the losers that bought this trash.

Originally Posted by myboringlife (Post 14855066)

I read the headline and thought.. hrmm, how horrible.. wtf is wrong with this country?! That's way too much time for someone that's just making a few porn movies. Then when you get down to the facts of the case.. wow, that's really not enough time at all. This sicko is getting his jollies and creating a whole new feast for all the creeps out there that can't find enough crap to feed their sick brains. There is far too much violence in our culture today, including mainstream media. Now they should go after the losers that bought this trash.

Originally Posted by Mike33 (Post 14852920)

Mr. Max Hardcore meet Bubba.

Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 14855079)

You are a fucking idiot.


Because YOU don't like or enjoy something (MADE WITH CONSENTING ADULTS) it's wrong?

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14855130)

Compare it to a mainstream actor who gets a role for a fistfight in a movie and is told that it "can be a bit rough". If he comes on the set, finds Kimbo there and gets beaten to a pulp while yelling for Kimbo to stop, a line gets crossed.

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14855130)

You lack common sense.

The problem many people have with this is exactly that from what is known, many of the girls didn't consent to what they actually got.

Compare it to a mainstream actor who gets a role for a fistfight in a movie and is told that it "can be a bit rough". If he comes on the set, finds Kimbo there and gets beaten to a pulp while yelling for Kimbo to stop, a line gets crossed.

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14855130)

You lack common sense.

The problem many people have with this is exactly that from what is known, many of the girls didn't consent to what they actually got.

Compare it to a mainstream actor who gets a role for a fistfight in a movie and is told that it "can be a bit rough". If he comes on the set, finds Kimbo there and gets beaten to a pulp while yelling for Kimbo to stop, a line gets crossed.

Originally Posted by RayBonga (Post 14855164)

btw, it's really fucked up that a lot of people at this board feel that as soon as a girl signs up for porn and takes the money all her rights fly out the window and she can be abused, beaten and raped.

I hope the FBI/police goes trhough his members list and starts identifying the fuckers that enjoy this filth

Originally Posted by RayBonga (Post 14855164)

btw, it's really fucked up that a lot of people at this board feel that as soon as a girl signs up for porn and takes the money all her rights fly out the window and she can be abused, beaten and raped.

I hope the FBI/police goes trhough his members list and starts identifying the fuckers that enjoy this filth

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 14854992)

If a girl has to say she had her first sex at the age of 3, doesn't matter if she agreed or not.

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 14855269)

dont forget he was charged with child pornography in 1998 as well.

Originally Posted by jakethedog (Post 14855246)

yeah hell who knows .. they might drink alcohol and smoke the odd joint ..... you sir are a fucking imbecile ... porn ...twisted fucking creepy nasty shit is what created this here interweb .. media players for video ..and higher and higher bandwidth speeds all needed to view adult content .. with out it we would still be reading naughty stories in dos ... when is the last time you logged on to watch a Coke commercial .. Max creates content that there is a market for .. to a clientele that would rather watch twisted shit than go out and do it .. or lose a marriage over their sick little fantasies ... I have worked with Max ..enjoy his company and albeit he is even more twisted than myself .. He makes 100% all models know what they are in for .. safe words and all .. with out it .. there wouldn't me models lining up to shoot in his productions .. take 5 min away from the keyboard and learn about this industry from both sides of the monitor .....

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14850567)

And...

Selling Reality based
Incest Videos.
Rape.
Violence towards women ( thats mildly putting it ).

In some cases women were brutally beaten, pissed on, slapped, the list goes on and on when it comes to violent behavior towards women.

Some models that shot with Max have considered filing rape charges over the years, some needed medical attention, some suffered severe anal bleeding and many many of them suffer to this day a post traumatic problem from the events in the making of a MaxHardcore Video. All of this is well documented. There is a point where you make a porn film for it's creative merit then there is creating a video of a pure psychotic nature that is severely inhumane. Max Hardcore is a mother fucking fruit cake that fit's Serial killer qualities and mindset.

The guy is not a pornographer, unless you consider that just because he got a video camara and filmed what he did to girls is just a free pass to destroy someone in the most inhumane violent ways for the whole world to see at a profit...

I am certain many legitamate Video makers in LA are breathing in silent approval from these events and with good reason.

Originally Posted by Honez (Post 14850748)

That's Bryan Y

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 14855266)

http://www.maxhardcore.com/ <- owned

Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 14855286)

NOTHING to do with anything produced with underage performers. Make sure you understand that.


The laws were so muddied and unclear that a "depiction" might get you in trouble. Even if the performer was 50 years old, having them dressed in cute clothes might get you popped for CP. Fucking INSANE. No pigtails, the word "teen", lollipops, the term "school" in a movie title.


So don't forget the real issue here.

Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice (Post 14855282)

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with that so... whatever.

I could care less how old a girl tells me she was when she first had sex. If it bothers you, perhaps you have an issue?

Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 14855221)

Max Hardcore has been producing for 15 years, maybe more. With that amount of time and dealing with models in sexual production you will have those that feel regret over what they have done for money. It happens in this business, as it would in ANY business. Life if full of regret.

There are those that love to vilify others to justify their own sexual tastes. There are girls that LOVE being fucked hard and rough. Then then are those that don't.

To state that girls in porn movies are RAPED because it might be harder fucking that what you have experienced in your own life or past your tolerance point is idiotic. if you don't want to watch it.... DON'T WATCH IT. It is produced between consenting adults.

Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 14855221)

To state that girls in porn movies are RAPED because it might be harder fucking that what you have experienced in your own life or past your tolerance point is idiotic. if you don't want to watch it.... DON'T WATCH IT. It is produced between consenting adults.

ANYTHING physical will have risks (and rewards if done correctly). For those in the fights with Kimbo (your silly analogy that has nothing to do with this), those guys could have been on the opposite end of the stick, and caused harm to Kimbo correct? In your opinion these "delicate flowers" were taken advantage of by mean ol' Max hardcore and used. It's obvious you cannot grasp and accept that there are people in this world with different tastes than yours.

Let ADULTS make their own decisions, unless you enjoy having the government in every facet of your life.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14855289)

Sorry I have to disagree. If you shoot content for more than 5 mins you have heard the stories. Ive been shooting for 8 yrs.Especially the la horror stories, a girl is new she comes to the shoot. Thinks its one thing and its another. She is told if you don't do this you wont work again. The agent only cares about getting paid,so he tells the girl the I thought you really wanted to be in this business. She doesn't know she can tell them to fuck off she needs money and so it goes.
On front line Lizzie borden said she didnt tell the model it would be so rough but she would take her shopping afterwards to make it up to her. So Ray is not being naive.

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 14857350)

When did Lizzie Borden ever work with Max Hardcore? I'm not super familiar with Porn Valley video, but I thought she ran Extreme Associates with Rob Black.

Also, people are reading what the fines were incorrectly. Max Hardcore the man was fined $7,500 each for 10 counts and his company was fined $75,000 each for 10 counts. That comes to $825,000 not counting attorney bills. XBiz reports the total fines at $1.4 million. AVN reports the recommended range for the fines was between $1.2 and $2.4 million and that the judge went for the lowest possible fines under the statute but also imposed a $5,000 special assessments fine, whatever a special assessment is.

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14856435)

It's not about regret. When regret's the only issue, I fully agree that the model will just have to deal with it.

It's not about rough or extreme sex either. There are people shooting much more extreme things that I have no problem with at all.

To me, the problem with Max's content isn't the way the scenes look. The problem is that whenever there's a story going around about a model who totally got destroyed in a scene without any idea of what to expect, there's a good chance that it was a Max Hardcore scene. Whenever there's talk of a model considering filing charges against a porn shooter, again, a good chance it was a Max Hardcore scene.

As a producer, you have a moral obligation to deal responsibly with the people working for you. That means prepping the models well, assessing beforehand whether a model is up to the task, and pausing shooting if there's a strong indication that there's a problem.

There are many extreme BDSM producers with excellent reputations when it comes to this, so the problem isn't the nature of the content.

To anyone looking objectively at the matter, it should be obvious that Max does not take proper steps in prepping and guiding his models.



Actually, my analogy has a lot to do with this. It's about not properly informing and preparing actors before the shoot. The fact that an actor is an adult does not absolve the producer from all responsibility for what happens.

As for government interference, I'd much prefer if the industry were to regulate itself better. Unfortunately, it doesn't.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14857402)

I wasnt talking about max I was talking about common operating practices.

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 14857684)

Common operating practices for what?

Apologies if this is totally obvious. Like I said, I'm not very familiar with mainstream Porn Valley video, but I thought Extreme Associates was, ya know, a really extreme and uncommon example.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14857711)

Things that happen to models in adult. Girl is told its a boy girl and when she shows up there are 3 guys there or anal or interracial or more extreme then was presented etc. The model says that's not what Im here for. Then a show is put on.She is told I thought you really wanted to work in adult you are screwing everything up.You are going to have a very hard time working in adult with this attitude.She is new doesn't know, needs money or was told about the great career she is going to have. So she does it. I have a friend her first scene was anal she said it hurts they said keep going its almost done and didnt stop. she had to go to the hospital afterwards. Working with models especially those who also go to la for shoots. I have heard tons of horrors stories.

Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 14857850)

:offtopic




If a situation like that comes up, there is this fabulous word that was invented just for times like that. It's called "No" and works just dandy. Can't say I've ever seen 3 guys in a Max hardcore shoot though. Heck, can't say there's more than one. But we can continue off the topic more and more.


Stating that an anal scene might/could/probably hurt is like saying the sky is blue. It's obvious, but with many people either ignorant or desensitized to how porn is actually made I wouldn't expect less. This is also why performers are compensated accordingly. Why else would a person make as much in a few hours as they might make in a month?


It's a physical job that is based on athletics and looks, and they have a viable talent/commodity.



BACK ON TOPIC
Max Hardcore was not in trouble for any of the above. Let's stick with the facts and say everyone in the movies were completely happy to perform in them.




What then?




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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14857901)

Once again I wasnt talking about max and I was answering the post that everyone knows whats going to happen before they show up to a shoot.