wow sucks to be him


50!

Well actually its like Paying someone to hurt themselves in some manor and putting it on video for the sake of free speech... This goes beyond Jack Ass type video.

And Actually many of the girls were not fully disclosed as to the exact nature of what was going to happen to them. Sure in some cases girls were told it can be violent or rough but those two words do not exactly give justice to what happened to some of these models.

However none of what we are talking has anything to do with why Max is Locked up. Max was locked up for distribution of these materials to places where they are prohibited. This discussion does not address that and we assume it's the violent nature of his videos. Reality is... Where he was selling the video's was the problem.

If a girl is genuinely crying and is in obvious distress, the technicality of money having changed hands doesn't make it any less forced. If, while Max is throatfucking her so she can't breath, she begs him to stop and he doesn't, that's rape. Payment doesn't make the issue of coercion any less real in the moment... It just means the girl is getting paid to get raped, rather than getting raped and no money changing hands.

Max made content for degenerates and it tarnished the image and ability of webmasters to operate legitimate businesses.

ah gotcha then.. i stand corrected.. he shouldnt have sold videos where they werent allowed.. I thought he was going to jail for "rough" sex with models..

Theres way worse out there. :2 cents:

back story please?

those are serious looking faces.

i live here in the valley and some of the things i've heard about him don't make me want to be buddies with him.

anyway, good luck to him.

He didn't ship them, they did:


and they still do :

http://jadedvideo.com/Search?q=max+hardcore&x=0&y=0

The worst part is that this is not over

There is a webmaster who post here and lives in the gainesville / ocala area and he along with his girlfriend are under investigation and the state / fed is building a case against him.

I work with a lot of lawyers and when I found out via the llegal grapevine that this person would soon be looking at an unbeatable case... I nearly shit my pants

...... then I laughed

If not for potential of being charged with obstruction of justice I might have warned him or put in a good word but the guy has never given me anything but a hard time:2 cents::2 cents:


If you do not have an attorney... you should not be in this biz... a good attorney

You saved me a few minutes of posting. hehe

Ill add that porn is FUCKING FANTASY. Im not a fan of his films either, but as long as it is all consensual so be it.

Fucking porn morality police crack me up.

That was the day when Wiseman and Steve should have kicked the living shit out of that goon.

good I love good news.

From what I understood they have safe words they use, and he gives the models breaks during the shoots. There was a big thread about the video in question and Max answered to everyones questions back then.

Anyone know the guys name on the far right? I knew a guy that could be his twin. His first name was Rob I believe.

what did he do?

46 months in Club Fed. Wow

That's Bryan Y

You are 100% right :thumbsup

I can't believe you stupid fucks are still defending this scumbag... I hope he thinks long and hard about his life. I watched a bunch of the stuff he filmed and some of it is just unreal... and clearly obscene. I will gladly accept your ridicule for standing up against shit like this. It's not porn... it's soft snuff. It's violence.

Ok boy he has a twin. hehe

Just gets old when people throw shit around when they don't know the facts hehe. :winkwink:

Clearly obscene to who?

Apparently you have never heard of Community Standards

You think it is illegal to ship to certain places for no fucking reason at all?

why does everybody on this board have to miss the point on everything?

there are OBSCENITY LAWS in the United States, always have been always will be, and for the non-Americans going 'tsk tsk' your countries have obscenity laws on the books too and people are charged in your countries.

The American porn industry and its lawyers have been warning producers for years about 'extreme' porn and the risks in producing and marketing it - there's a list every distributor has with zip codes in areas not to send pornography into.

A jury of his peers found what Max Hardcore produces to be obscene - end of story. Nothing to feel bad about or feel sorry for him for.

If the federal government applied the law wrong in his case he can appeal.

I agree to every word the above...

He's a piece of shit. Fuck him.

Mutt, the problem is that there isn't really an obscenity law. It's just some vague bullshit that some judges can apply to anyone at any time with no real guidelines that one can diligently follow with forewarning. Even the most vanilla porn could be considered obscene. And the idea that a porn movie could be legal in one area and obscene in another city or state is preposterous. Max didn't even ship the damn movie in question, another company did. I am not defending his content specifically, but the whole thing is a travesty of justice.

Stagliano is facing similar charges for DVDs featuring milk enemas. Once they've got their foot in the door (ie. precedent), no one is safe. The government doesn't care if you are throatfucking crying girls or doing teen POV blowjobs. Wake up people :Oh crap

remember to vote republican.

Exactly. Without a CLEAR definition of obscenity on the books how can they lock up a guy for 4 years? Having a gf that loves rough sex I know from experience that what some see as obscene is just other peoples preference. So you get a jury with 12 fuddy duddies that think ALL porn is obscene and it could be anyone of us in jail. :disgust

I agree. With all the pro porn laws passed by the dems I don't see how any of us can vote republican.


















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wow, thats insane.

Martha Stewart? MILF? :error

Some people are fuck up individuals.


Speaking the truth.



FREE MAX HARDCORE!

oh really? that's fucked up :Oh crap

I have a feeling the guy had complaints from the models to authorities that we don't know about. One model has already publicly said she filed a police report.

So that's what got the authorities on him. Then they threw him in jail based upon the outright sickness of some of the video's he made. One of the few I watched was very bad.

I'm no fan of Max. I think he's found a way to legally rape women much like prostitution is illegal but if I call up a girl and pay her to star in my movie it isn't considered prostitution.

Yes we sell fantasy but think about his scenes and the wording of the scripts. Incest, rape, violence against the women..

You'd have to be a complete moron to not see what niche he's catering to and he sure does enjoy the work. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck - well, it might be a swan but don't bitch when it gets shot during duck season..

I don't worry about "big brother" raiding my business because I give them no reason to. Max went around quacking and his ass got shot.

Pepsi and Coke are 2 huge dominating company's in the software industry. The could utterly destroy RC Cola but RC has been around since I was a kid and they do it by not pissing off Coke or Pepsi by doing something stupid - well folks, we're RC Cola.

One one side we have the government and on the other the Religious Right and if you don't want your head to be included in one big "whack-a-mole" don't go sticking it out like Max did.

Learn your history. You didn't see this happening during the clinton years. 2257 was changed under W people going to jail. Attorneys fired because they wouldnt go after adult porn cases. This is a republican admin.Are you that stuck in a political ideology that you are blind?
The marketers wanted to be right wing its their choice. You actually produce porn, please wake up.

Do you feel the same way about hardcore BDSM? Prior to getting into this industry and researching the various niche markets, I would never have thought that some people actually want to have nails driven through their nipples, or would want to be suspended from hooks, or want to have their ass beaten with a paddle until it bleeds.... yet there's no shortage of people who PAY to have such things done to them.

I'm not suggesting the performers who work with Max all enjoy the experience -- merely that it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that they are OK with it, at least within the context of the video/scene being produced.

Any model who has performed with Max and feels that she was forced, induced or otherwise coerced to do something they did not want to do has the option of filing criminal charges against the man, or suing him in civil court. That's not what this case was about; this case was about violations of federal obscenity statutes, arguably the vaguest and worst defined statutes this country has to offer.

Connor from YNOT has a great analogy for how obscenity law works: it's like driving along a county road and seeing a sign that says "Speed Limit" but doesn't have any numbers on it. Then you get pulled over by a cop who says "Are you kidding me? Everybody in this town knows you have to stay under 25 on this road.... 30 tops... maybe 35.... well, it kind of depends I guess, but YOU were going 40 -- and we clearly can't have that."

Personally, I think that the most reasonable approach to obscenity law (other than eliminating it) would be to initially prosecute the material, and not the person(s) or company that produced it. Once a jury has deemed a video obscene, you could then make it a crime to sell that video. At least that way we would know whether or not a crime had been committed sometime before a jury comes back with a verdict....

When someone accused of robbing a bank goes on trial, for example, the only real question is "did they do it?" It just doesn't sit well with me to have a "crime" that is wholly dependent on context, and for which there is no objective criteria.

Sounds to me like the court has a lot more inside information then we do.

I hate the content that Max shoots and I'm sure I am not the only one, but if EVERY bit of paper work was in place I think the jail time is a bit over the top. If it pissed off the wrong people I am sure they could have found some girls at some time who are willing to stand against him and have some proof of something.

I must have missed when he posted that, so thanks for reposting it. Great analogy :thumbsup

Maybe not.

If all goes well in November this country might finally enter the 21st century :thumbsup

As vague as the law is if it was very specific 75 percent of the porn we have today wouldnt exist.

Indeed it is, although I'm not sure he has ever posted/published it anywhere; I heard him say it at an Internext seminar in Florida a few years back and thought it was pretty damn spot-on.

Anyone who is for this verdict should be ashamed of themselves.


If you are in the adult business and based out of the Unites States you should be livid and concerned for your future, regardless if you do softcore sites or hardcore. Hell, the surfers on GFY should freak out as well, since YOUR FREEDOMS are being taken away.


This is content produced by consenting adults for consenting adults. It should not be regulated. :2 cents:

:thumbsup:thumbsup Funny a lot of the big people that yell "freedom of speech" and hate George Bush support this ruling.

exactly. Where are they going to draw the line?

This should fucking scare the shit out of anyone who makes a living in this business.

Well put, Q.....
The only bit of good news is that Paul is free on appeal. That's a bit of a surprise, as is the lenient sentencing, considering what the federal guidelines are.

Colin at Wasteland

wow Max is gonna get ripped to shreds in jail (Fed or no fed pen)

Obscenity is based on community standards... BUT maybe its me .. but the person who should be in jail is the actual DISTRIBUTOR of the content that was deemed obscene .. and it should have nothing to do with Max.. unless a legal release of liability was signed between Max and Jaded releasing Jaded of all legal distribution liability .. regarding the actual content .. it used to be common practice to IP block certain states that had laws regarding obscene material .. some states even have issues with interracial ..hell even vibrators are illegal in some states ..
In my opinion .. Jaded should be the one on their way to crowbar hotel .. Max albeit not loved by all and yes a little twisted is someone filling a market that their is a demand for .. meaning the market he is selling to falls within a demographic which via the internet should be considered to fall under a community within it's self ... therefore falling within their own community standards ruling on their on obscene materials .. ..
just my rant .. and oh ya .. fuck AlienQ you sure hate Max huh .. lol take a breath .. i can see the veins pounding in your temples from here....

thanks for articulating what most reasonable people understand.