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notjoe · 10-31-2002, 07:25 AM

Would you guys perfer an affil program which you knew shaved signups and paid out $40 per signup or would you rather make $25 per signup?

This is based on a $30 membership someone bought who you had referred.

Joe

High Quality · 10-31-2002, 07:29 AM

Obviously not shave. Its difficult to get market feedback when the sponsor is shaving. Personally I dont think there would be any monetary loss from the smaller payout cuz signups would go up significantly. But the issue is the competition. If one sponsor is paying $40/SU, then the other programs will lose webmasters. It sucks huh?

notjoe · 10-31-2002, 07:37 AM

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Originally posted by High Quality
Obviously not shave. Its difficult to get market feedback when the sponsor is shaving. Personally I dont think there would be any monetary loss from the smaller payout cuz signups would go up significantly. But the issue is the competition. If one sponsor is paying $40/SU, then the other programs will lose webmasters. It sucks huh?

I think it would come down to basically word of mouth. If you get the rep. of being a completely honest company, no shaving hits, signup, or any other stats then i think a lot of people will end up telling their friends on it.

When you look at a 25 payout compared to a 40 payout for a signup i could see how it looks better and more appealing to the general public but that would be (hopefully) where word of mouth would come in handy as having a reputation of being honest.

Problem is it might take a while to get a couple people with some pull to acknowledge that the program is legit and really worth trying out.

Rich J. · 10-31-2002, 08:13 AM

So are all you guys under the impression that most $40 per signup programs shave? If so, that's sad.

FlyingIguana · 10-31-2002, 08:20 AM

i go with whatever makes me the most. but if a sponsor is shaving even if they're paying more per sign up, thats not being honest to webmasters. if you're shaving, you're ripping off other webmasters. thats not the way to run a business if you're in it for the long term.

Student · 10-31-2002, 08:23 AM

I think the answer is pretty simple !!!!

Don't shave and pay me less

Honesty is everything !

notjoe · 10-31-2002, 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by Rich J.
So are all you guys under the impression that most $40 per signup programs shave? If so, that's sad.

You're the one who said it not me.. If the sites are amazing and retention on most of the joins is atleast two months then the company makes money which isnt bad at all, but with good sites they can retain many members for long amount of time.

However, if you're retention is trash then things wont work unless
you have extremely deep pockets (from here to the moon) to bankroll the gamble and stay afloat to long enough to fix shit up..or you go the shitty way and shave.

Lets charge 30, pay probably $3-5 per transaction, so you walk away with lets say $25. lets say someone sends you 100 signups at 40 a pop you now owe 4k. you collect 2500 from your processor for month 1 and now you're out of pocket $1500. Month 2 Rolls around, lets say 50% stay and rebill for month 2 and you bring in $1500.

That is two months of membership fees to just cover what you paid your webmaster, wait, what about content/bandwidth/employee costs factored in, along with cost of an office and suck...

Doesnt sound like too much of a sweet deal without shaving..again, this is based on a $30 membership.

What about the $40 per trial? that makes the above even worse.

Joe

High Quality · 10-31-2002, 08:39 AM

Good point joe. I send a lot of traffic through a sponsor that pays me $40/SU. After iBill fees, my commission of $40, employees, office, bandwidth and of course content for a crappy member's area I've alway wondered how they do it. I just learned today that their average member retention is 1.3 months which I guess is $39.99 x 2 + $2.99 trial which is probably enough to make a profit.

But keep in mind that a lot of programs dont pay on exit consoles, and they make a lot of profit from those since they dont have to pay $40 for those.

Any thoughts?

Martin · 10-31-2002, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by Rich J.
So are all you guys under the impression that most $40 per signup programs shave? If so, that's sad.

Hey Rich..

Well it's not only the shaving part it's the blur consoles on surfers entry, the 500 exit pop ups and the e-mail boxes that have FREE PORN IN YOUR E-MAIL in big bold letters.. The amount lost to shaving is nothing compared to the amount of sales you lose to those factors.. Take all that shit off and pay me $25 bucks a sign up and I'll be happy.. Hell shave a sign up here and there if you like.. Anyway if you want to make long term money in this biz recurring is the way to go hands down..

Peace

notjoe · 10-31-2002, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by High Quality
Good point joe. I send a lot of traffic through a sponsor that pays me $40/SU. After iBill fees, my commission of $40, employees, office, bandwidth and of course content for a crappy member's area I've alway wondered how they do it. I just learned today that their average member retention is 1.3 months which I guess is $39.99 x 2 + $2.99 trial which is probably enough to make a profit.

But keep in mind that a lot of programs dont pay on exit consoles, and they make a lot of profit from those since they dont have to pay $40 for those.

Any thoughts?

I do agree to a point about the exit consoles, popup dials and other shit like that where the webmaster will not get paid but then as the post above me says, they pretty much take your traffic with a buncha different shit on their sites.

As for the email collection boxes, my idea for when my paysites go up is this, sure i will have email boxes (no popups) but the webmaster will have the ability to enter codes for other adult programs which i will be conducting business with so that if an email gets double opt'd in via a webmaster, when the email goes out it will use our webmasters codes instead of our own so they make even more money.

(That along with a completely honest program)

Joe

railz · 10-31-2002, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by notjoe

...wait, what about content/bandwidth/employee costs factored in, along with cost of an office and suck...

Aren't blowjobs tax deductable in this biz?

Sorry - couldn't resist.

Completely agree though. Pay me less, don't shave - simple.

notjoe · 10-31-2002, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by railz

Aren't blowjobs tax deductable in this biz?

Sorry - couldn't resist.

Completely agree though. Pay me less, don't shave - simple.

If they're not they should be!

Lensman · 10-31-2002, 09:21 AM

How about don't shave and pay $40 a signup? That's what AdultPlatinum does.

Here's an open offer: you can send an independant computer consultant to examine our tracking system, you pay for it. We stand behind our payouts.

Honeyslut · 10-31-2002, 09:25 AM

I have to shave or my legs would be hairy !

notjoe · 10-31-2002, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by Lensman
How about don't shave and pay $40 a signup? That's what AdultPlatinum does.

Here's an open offer: you can send an independant computer consultant to examine our tracking system, you pay for it. We stand behind our payouts.

I'm booking my plane ticket right now! Hopefully it is all PHP/MySQL!

notjoe · 10-31-2002, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Honeyslut
I have to shave or my legs would be hairy !

Shaving body parts is a MUST for a women, however, dont shave traffic or you will be just like all those gold digging women out there!

Backov · 10-31-2002, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by Rich J.
So are all you guys under the impression that most $40 per signup programs shave? If so, that's sad.

So you're saying that you don't? I believe that - now to get the rest of the world to believe it, give me root access and let me audit your machines. ;>

I wonder if any sponsor would be up for that. ;>

Edit: Wow! Lens is - amazing! I assume you will give FULL access to this consultant if someone takes you up on it?

Cheers,
Backov

421Fill · 10-31-2002, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by Martin

Hey Rich.. Well it's not only the shaving part it's the blur consoles on surfers entry, the 500 exit pop ups and the e-mail boxes that have FREE PORN IN YOUR E-MAIL in big bold letters.. The amount lost to shaving is nothing compared to the amount of sales you lose to those factors.. Take all that shit off and pay me $25 bucks a sign up and I'll be happy.. Hell shave a sign up here and there if you like.. Anyway if you want to make long term money in this biz recurring is the way to go hands down..

Peace

ok. $25 per sign up. No consoles, No E-mail collection.

http://www.hometowncash.com

Rich J. · 10-31-2002, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by Backov

So you're saying that you don't? I believe that - now to get the rest of the world to believe it, give me root access and let me audit your machines. ;>

I wonder if any sponsor would be up for that. ;>

Edit: Wow! Lens is - amazing! I assume you will give FULL access to this consultant if someone takes you up on it?

Cheers,
Backov

I'm not going to run around making some big deal about it but that's just the way we run our operation. We make up the difference through exits, opt-ins, and other sources.

The problem is... webmasters have kind of forced sponsors to get more aggressive with upsells, etc. because they demand the higher payout. Since it looks like so many of you would rather have a $25 payout with no exits, etc. then I think we're going to look into setting something like that for our webmasters. Not making any promises but I'll let you guys know what we come up with.

SykkBoy · 10-31-2002, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by Martin

Hey Rich.. Well it's not only the shaving part it's the blur consoles on surfers entry, the 500 exit pop ups and the e-mail boxes that have FREE PORN IN YOUR E-MAIL in big bold letters.. The amount lost to shaving is nothing compared to the amount of sales you lose to those factors.. Take all that shit off and pay me $25 bucks a sign up and I'll be happy.. Hell shave a sign up here and there if you like.. Anyway if you want to make long term money in this biz recurring is the way to go hands down..

Peace

If you're thinking so "long term" then why are you sending to a per signup rather than a partnership program?

All I want is to be paid what my traffic is worth....If the traffic I send only retains 25% where the average from other webmasters is 50-60% should I be making the same amount as them on a per signup basis? If you really trust your traffic, then send to a partnership program (a lot of the big sites offer them, but precious few webmasters use that option..instead, they prefer to think short term and take the lump sum up front....)

by the way, when we go PPS with DarkDollars, we're only going to shave webmasters named Martin and anyone who has the lettersw A, E, I, O anywhere in their names....
(for the uninitiated, I was kidding)

Lane · 10-31-2002, 02:02 PM

great to see people accepting shaving as a fact and acting like its a normal thing to do... i say you are so stupid talking about it like this.

ColKurtz · 10-31-2002, 02:05 PM

With as fly by night as the net is, and as shady as some of these processors are, I pretty much stick to pay per signup.

Adult Platinum has really impressed me. It converts, high payouts, and a console scheme that isnt too aggressive.

Wheras some of the other pps big boys are rapidly losing my confidence.

I'm with those that would rather have a lower payout with no shaving. Ive been doing this long enough to where Im not impressed by lofty claims. I care mostly about how the sites convert and how reputable the company is.

Theo · 10-31-2002, 02:19 PM

Sponsors will pay you the value of your traffic. If your traffic worths less the signups they'll appear will be less than the real number. Bottom line, sponsors make money from your traffic. If they can't, they won't pay you $35+/free or trial signup.

Theo · 10-31-2002, 02:20 PM

of course i'm talking about volume signups,the one signup every week doesn't count. ;-)

pimplink · 10-31-2002, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by High Quality
Good point joe. I send a lot of traffic through a sponsor that pays me $40/SU. After iBill fees, my commission of $40, employees, office, bandwidth and of course content for a crappy member's area I've alway wondered how they do it. I just learned today that their average member retention is 1.3 months which I guess is $39.99 x 2 + $2.99 trial which is probably enough to make a profit.

But keep in mind that a lot of programs dont pay on exit consoles, and they make a lot of profit from those since they dont have to pay $40 for those.

Any thoughts?

Don't forget upsells. Also cross sells [rare]. And finally, email marketing [more common than cross sells].

Choder · 10-31-2002, 02:30 PM

I don't think good word of mouth could get me to switch from $35 and $40 signup programs to a $25 program.

m0rph3us · 10-31-2002, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by Choder
I don't think good word of mouth could get me to switch from $35 and $40 signup programs to a $25 program.

as long as affiliates are happy with their $40/SU 1:1000 ARS ratios, the big boys will live.

If some people would change from their quick buck mentality to long term they might realise that a 50 or a 60% recurring program might make the a shitload more cash without the bullshit then a $40/su sponsor.

FATPad · 10-31-2002, 03:02 PM

I want to be paid $1000 per signup and have 95% of my sales shaved.

pimplink · 10-31-2002, 03:05 PM

Recurring is a crapshoot. For every Oxcash out there you have hundreds of non-retaining outfits.

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us

as long as affiliates are happy with their $40/SU 1:1000 ARS ratios, the big boys will live.

If some people would change from their quick buck mentality to long term they might realise that a 50 or a 60% recurring program might make the a shitload more cash without the bullshit then a $40/su sponsor.

notjoe · 10-31-2002, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by Choder
I don't think good word of mouth could get me to switch from $35 and $40 signup programs to a $25 program.

I think it has the possibility to do well like that, like they say, word of mouth is the best form of advertising.

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10-31-2002, 07:25 AM	#1
notjoe Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 5,599	Get shaved & Get paid more OR No shave and get paid less, which would you rather Would you guys perfer an affil program which you knew shaved signups and paid out $40 per signup or would you rather make $25 per signup? This is based on a $30 membership someone bought who you had referred. Joe

10-31-2002, 07:29 AM	#2
High Quality Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 5,741	Obviously not shave. Its difficult to get market feedback when the sponsor is shaving. Personally I dont think there would be any monetary loss from the smaller payout cuz signups would go up significantly. But the issue is the competition. If one sponsor is paying $40/SU, then the other programs will lose webmasters. It sucks huh? __________________ RecurCash.com - Averaging $38/sale with 60% revshare in the first 4 months alone! Convert your TEEN traffic today @ better than 1:500 guaranteed. ICQ me: 18287590!

10-31-2002, 08:13 AM	#4
Rich J. Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: California Posts: 589	So are all you guys under the impression that most $40 per signup programs shave? If so, that's sad. __________________ Adult Web Marketing Specialist with 10 years of Industry Experience - CONTACT ME

10-31-2002, 08:23 AM	#6
Student Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 66	I think the answer is pretty simple !!!! Don't shave and pay me less Honesty is everything ! __________________ Never Stop Learning ! Never Stop Making Money ! Click here to succeed

10-31-2002, 08:20 AM	#5
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	i go with whatever makes me the most. but if a sponsor is shaving even if they're paying more per sign up, thats not being honest to webmasters. if you're shaving, you're ripping off other webmasters. thats not the way to run a business if you're in it for the long term.

10-31-2002, 08:39 AM	#8
High Quality Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 5,741	Good point joe. I send a lot of traffic through a sponsor that pays me $40/SU. After iBill fees, my commission of $40, employees, office, bandwidth and of course content for a crappy member's area I've alway wondered how they do it. I just learned today that their average member retention is 1.3 months which I guess is $39.99 x 2 + $2.99 trial which is probably enough to make a profit. But keep in mind that a lot of programs dont pay on exit consoles, and they make a lot of profit from those since they dont have to pay $40 for those. Any thoughts? __________________ RecurCash.com - Averaging $38/sale with 60% revshare in the first 4 months alone! Convert your TEEN traffic today @ better than 1:500 guaranteed. ICQ me: 18287590!

10-31-2002, 09:21 AM	#13
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	How about don't shave and pay $40 a signup? That's what AdultPlatinum does. Here's an open offer: you can send an independant computer consultant to examine our tracking system, you pay for it. We stand behind our payouts.

10-31-2002, 09:25 AM	#14
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10-31-2002, 02:02 PM	#21
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	great to see people accepting shaving as a fact and acting like its a normal thing to do... i say you are so stupid talking about it like this. __________________

10-31-2002, 02:05 PM	#22
ColKurtz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambodia Posts: 596	With as fly by night as the net is, and as shady as some of these processors are, I pretty much stick to pay per signup. Adult Platinum has really impressed me. It converts, high payouts, and a console scheme that isnt too aggressive. Wheras some of the other pps big boys are rapidly losing my confidence. I'm with those that would rather have a lower payout with no shaving. Ive been doing this long enough to where Im not impressed by lofty claims. I care mostly about how the sites convert and how reputable the company is.

10-31-2002, 02:19 PM	#23
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Sponsors will pay you the value of your traffic. If your traffic worths less the signups they'll appear will be less than the real number. Bottom line, sponsors make money from your traffic. If they can't, they won't pay you $35+/free or trial signup.

10-31-2002, 02:20 PM	#24
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	of course i'm talking about volume signups,the one signup every week doesn't count. ;-)

10-31-2002, 02:30 PM	#26
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10-31-2002, 03:02 PM	#28
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	I want to be paid $1000 per signup and have 95% of my sales shaved. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>