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gideongallery · 09-09-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny

The majority

their rights are limited to using "fair use" as a defense in a court of law.

If they can prove it more power to them. If they don't they wreck their lives over downloading Stars Wars.

and don't worry we already know where you stand. You expect others to expand resources both producing the properity and policing the websites of others to insure its not being violated.

not anymore, now if you send a take down request for something that is fair use, you can be sued for all the court costs, and economic damage.

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/08...ider-fair-use-

ruling like this have created an economic insentive to fight, lawyers can defend the fair use rights probono and cash in at the end with a counter suit.

Your livelihood is just at risk if you falsely target a fair use access/distribution of copyrighted materials.

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I'm glad I was raised with more character than that. I don't expect something for nothing.

except for the cash people have to pay to rebuy the content they have a fair use right to recover.

kenny · 09-09-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

it not, it might be considered backup, and for all those people who bought the software but misplaced the disk, it could be recover.
for people who live in a country with a piracy tax that goes towards software it may be an "accidentally" licienced distribution (see canada and the CRIA supreme court case)

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

For all the rest it would be a copyright infringement. So go and find those people and send them to jail. The fact that those people are committing a crime with the technology shouldn't stop me from using it for a legitimate purpose (timeshifting tv shows)

and I suppose you're harmlessly seeding to others who are using the technology for the same legitimate purpose.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

of course the product placement within the movie could represent the 3 conditions of a valid licience (offer acceptance and consideration). Which could result in another "acidental" liciencing (a la the canadian piracy tax). Although i understand no one has made that arguement yet. So for right now that would represent the scum bag attempt to use fair use to illegally justify copyright infringement.

You mean people actually use that as an excuse? Who would of thought! But thats only about one user out of a million or something like that? Correct?

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

make sure you notify HBO that you are doing this and they can save you a cell right beside this guy. Hey maybe you can share the same cell.

But I thought everybody downloading TV shows wasn't comitting a crime.. you know being that we almost all own televisons. You said so yourself.

L-Pink · 09-09-2008, 07:46 PM

I repeat!

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Anyone with a pot to piss in and an ounce of self respect pays for what they use.

gideongallery · 09-09-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Anyone with a pot to piss in and an ounce of self respect pays for what they use.

totally agree, i just object to demands that i pay twice for right to view.

kenny · 09-09-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

not anymore, now if you send a take down request for something that is fair use, you can be sued for all the court costs, and economic damage.

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/08...ider-fair-use-

ruling like this have created an economic insentive to fight, lawyers can defend the fair use rights probono and cash in at the end with a counter suit.

Your livelihood is just at risk if you falsely target a fair use access/distribution of copyrighted materials.

except for the cash people have to pay to rebuy the content they have a fair use right to recover.

Don't humour me with a child dancing to background music being compared to anything remotely of scale of what I'm referring too.

kenny · 09-09-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

totally agree, i just object to demands that i pay twice for right to view.

I've seen every lethal weapon at one point or another.

Can I download the entire box set and give copies to my friends if they've already seen them too?

gideongallery · 09-09-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny

and I suppose you're harmlessly seeding to others who are using the technology for the same legitimate purpose.

Well since no one is getting a working copy from me (how the technology works) and i own a right to view the content i am getting from the torrents. My actions are clear.

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You mean people actually use that as an excuse? Who would of thought! But thats only about one user out of a million or something like that? Correct?

your using it as a straw man agruement so of course people are using it as an excuse. Like every straw man arguement it doesn't invalidate the point i am making, when you paid for a show (either because it on basic cable -- or because you subcribed to the extra stations need) you have a right to timeshift your viewing rights with any technology you want (torrents included).

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But I thought everybody downloading TV shows wasn't comitting a crime.. you know being that we almost all own televisons. You said so yourself.

so let see if i get your arguement
1. i am going to create a fake fair use right called "reverse timeshifting"
2. i am going to prove that my fake fair use right is not real (duh)

therefore

legitimate fair use rights like timeshfting are not real either.

the fact that reverse time shifting is not a right does not invalidate the real fair use right of timeshifting.

kenny · 09-09-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

Well since no one is getting a working copy from me (how the technology works) and i own a right to view the content i am getting from the torrents. My actions are clear.

oh, kind of like a sneaky grey area.. I see

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

your using it as a straw man agruement so of course people are using it as an excuse. Like every straw man arguement it doesn't invalidate the point i am making, when you paid for a show (either because it on basic cable -- or because you subcribed to the extra stations need) you have a right to timeshift your viewing rights with any technology you want (torrents included).

So all those other programs that they don't own listed on the torrent along side the program they are downloading for time-shifting purposes is going to be left alone until after they purchase said program. Ok, thats a relieve.

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so let see if i get your arguement
1. i am going to create a fake fair use right called "reverse timeshifting"
2. i am going to prove that my fake fair use right is not real (duh)

therefore

legitimate fair use rights like timeshfting are not real either.

the fact that reverse time shifting is not a right does not invalidate the real fair use right of timeshifting.

Ok, I'll rent HBO for a month and download every episode of the Sopranos before I decide to cancel. Gotcha.

That way I offically time-shifted.

Barefootsies · 09-09-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That means nothing to gideon "I don't own shit" gallery. Believe me, I've been round and round with him about this. He will just keep repeating "fair use" and "time shifting" over and over and over again. That's his gig. Don't waste your time on him. I already tried, his mind is closed and he does nothing but mince and parse words. This is what he does. And I admit, he's pretty good at it. He should be a politician because he's a master bullshitter.

Best advice you are going to get in this thread.

gideongallery · 09-09-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny

Don't humour me with a child dancing to background music being compared to anything remotely of scale of what I'm referring too.

i would really like to see you make that arguement in court

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Your honor, i should have a right to ignore fair use rights like time shifting even though the court have ruled it is legal to timeshift to a cloud, becuase the case that established the liablity had a baby dancing in the background.

Ignore the fact that the judge didn't restrict it to "baby dancing in the background"

Ignore the fact that he explictly spelled out how it should apply to all fair uses

And how copyright holder is responsible for ALL fair uses before sending a DMCA take down request.

i personally don't think it will fly but maybe you will get lucky

L-Pink · 09-09-2008, 08:10 PM

Where do I send for a refund on my last 23 copies of Dark Side of the Moon?

kenny · 09-09-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Best advice you are going to get in this thread.

You're right.

Barefootsies · 09-09-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Where do I send for a refund on my last 23 copies of Dark Side of the Moon?

You send them back to

Copyright Infringement
1234 Board Troll Avenue
gideongallery, GFY
98765

Jim_Gunn · 09-09-2008, 08:15 PM

It's so hard not to get sucked into this guy's retarded vortex. Not one single thing he has posted makes a bit of sense or is supported under the law. He claims A is true (when it's not), then says that B exists (when it doesn't) then concludes that C is legal, when it's not. He doesn't even understand (or is purposely confusing) what time-shifting is. It's like arguing with some one who believes in creationism. You just have no hope of convincing them otherwise no matter how silly they sound to everyone else.

Barefootsies · 09-09-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

It's so hard not to get sucked into this guy's retarded vortex. Not one single thing he has posted makes a bit of sense or is supported under the law. He claims A is true (when it's not), then says that B exists (when it doesn't) then concludes that C is legal, when it's not. He doesn't even understand (or is purposely confusing) what time-shifting is. It's like arguing with some one who believes in creationism. You just have no hope of convincing them otherwise no matter how silly they sound to everyone else.

Agreed Jimmy Gunn.

kenny · 09-09-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i would really like to see you make that arguement in court

i personally don't think it will fly but maybe you will get lucky

What would really be funny is seeing you in court making the argument that you have a right to download/seed DVD rips because they appeared on TNT last year

gideongallery · 09-09-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny

oh, kind of like a sneaky grey area.. I see

only if you are a scum bag who wants to misrepresent fair use as a loop hole when it is actually an explictly defined part of the copyright act

Your not that type of scum bag are ?

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So all those other programs that they don't own listed on the torrent along side the program they are downloading for time-shifting purposes is going to be left alone until after they purchase said program. Ok, thats a relieve.

other people have a right to timeshift the stuff they paid for
other people have a right to recover the stuff they paid for

I don't believe the world revolves around me, just because I don't have those timeshifting/recovery rights doesn't mean other people should have access to their equivalent rights.

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Ok, I'll rent HBO for a month and download every episode of the Sopranos before I decide to cancel. Gotcha.

That way I offically time-shifted.

only if every episode from the 5 year run played in that one month otherwise that would be another example of your reverse timeshifting strawman arguement.

remember you only have a right to timeshift stuff you bought a right to view, obviously if it did not air in the month you subscribed you did not buy such a right to view.

kenny · 09-09-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

It's so hard not to get sucked into this guy's retarded vortex. Not one single thing he has posted makes a bit of sense or is supported under the law. He claims A is true (when it's not), then says that B exists (when it doesn't) then concludes that C is legal, when it's not. He doesn't even understand (or is purposely confusing) what time-shifting is. It's like arguing with some one who believes in creationism. You just have no hope of convincing them otherwise no matter how silly they sound to everyone else.

I think it would be easier converting someone away from creationism.

gideongallery · 09-09-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny

What would really be funny is seeing you in court making the argument that you have a right to download/seed DVD rips because they appeared on TNT last year

i already have and i didn't even need to go to court
my isp sent me one of those you are accused of violating copyright notices for downloading episodes of lost.

sent them a copy of the cable bill (covering the periods when they aired)
copy of the tv schedule showing it airing on a channel i paid for
a copy of the CRIA case
and a copy of the PEPIDA with the damages highlighted for violating my privacy rights by releasing my personal info to the company.

never heard from them again.

kenny · 09-09-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

only if you are a scum bag who wants to misrepresent fair use as a loop hole when it is actually an explictly defined part of the copyright act

Your not that type of scum bag are ?

And what does this has to do with the torrent seeding grey area?

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

other people have a right to timeshift the stuff they paid for
other people have a right to recover the stuff they paid for

I don't believe the world revolves around me, just because I don't have those timeshifting/recovery rights doesn't mean other people should have access to their equivalent rights.

Either you're sugar coating it or you some how actually believe this.

I can guarantee that out of all those people ripping off photoshop we'd be lucky to find one downloading it as a backup.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

only if every episode from the 5 year run played in that one month otherwise that would be another example of your reverse timeshifting strawman arguement.

remember you only have a right to timeshift stuff you bought a right to view, obviously if it did not air in the month you subscribed you did not buy such a right to view.

But at the very least its legal for me to download every superbowl since I've been alive, right? I mean I've always had those channels.

I can even gift them to my friends being that everybody has access to the superbowl?? Right? The NFL knows I've already paid the price of watching the commecials being aired during play.

Barefootsies · 09-09-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i already have and i didn't even need to go to court
my isp sent me one of those you are accused of violating copyright notices for downloading episodes of lost.

never heard from them again.

Oh yeah. I am sure a multi million dollar company is afraid if an assclown with a copy machine.

**rolls eyes**

You showed them toots.

kenny · 09-09-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i already have and i didn't even need to go to court
my isp sent me one of those you are accused of violating copyright notices for downloading episodes of lost.

sent them a copy of the cable bill (covering the periods when they aired)
copy of the tv schedule showing it airing on a channel i paid for
a copy of the CRIA case
and a copy of the PEPIDA with the damages highlighted for violating my privacy rights by releasing my personal info to the company.

never heard from them again.

Talk to me when Warner Bros. or Microsoft serves you with a complaint.

Aussie Rebel · 09-09-2008, 08:35 PM

gideon I remember you posting in a thread where you said you run the same or similar sort of company as RYC is there any chance of you icqing me a link to check it out? I'm not trying to dis you or anything at all I'm just interested thats all and it will be kept private.
4-2-1-0-9-9-4-1

gideongallery · 09-09-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

It's so hard not to get sucked into this guy's retarded vortex. Not one single thing he has posted makes a bit of sense or is supported under the law. He claims A is true (when it's not), then says that B exists (when it doesn't) then concludes that C is legal, when it's not.

please provide me with a link to something i said was true (and a link to the proof that it wasn't)

please provide me with a link to something that i said exists (and a link to the poff that it doesn't)

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He doesn't even understand (or is purposely confusing) what time-shifting is.

time shifting is the viewing of content you paid for at a different time then it was originally aired. IT was established as a fair use right in the beta max case, and covers all the actions that exist using that technology from recording your shows yourself to borrowing a friends tape and watching a show you missed (ie because the power went out). IT has been extended to include all of the newer technologies that can provide the same functional benefit (timeshifting to a cloud).

nearnow · 09-09-2008, 08:38 PM

this is a good news. we need tougher laws to deal with illegal contents.

kenny · 09-09-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

please provide me with a link to something i said was true (and a link to the proof that it wasn't)

please provide me with a link to something that i said exists (and a link to the poff that it doesn't)

time shifting is the viewing of content you paid for at a different time then it was originally aired. IT was established as a fair use right in the beta max case, and covers all the actions that exist using that technology from recording your shows yourself to borrowing a friends tape and watching a show you missed (ie because the power went out). IT has been extended to include all of the newer technologies that can provide the same functional benefit (timeshifting to a cloud).

The point gideongallery is that everything you say you're mixing in a grey area or out of context. You're obviously strecting the fair use ideology to the absolute maximum or beyond the scope of its langauage and intention.

If you need examples of this I suggest doing a seach for your name.

Its fairly obvious to everyone but yourself.

Robbie · 09-09-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

gideon I remember you posting in a thread where you said you run the same or similar sort of company as RYC is there any chance of you icqing me a link to check it out? I'm not trying to dis you or anything at all I'm just interested thats all and it will be kept private.
4-2-1-0-9-9-4-1

Aussie Rebel...if you get an icq from gideongallery and can verify that he does indeed actually own that company he claims (but refuses to show anybody) please post that you did see it with your own eyes and verified that gideongallery owns it.

I would be shocked...AND, most importantly I would give gideongallery a big apology and actually respect his views as his right to voice on here.

But I'm not gonna hold my breath. I don't believe he owns anything.

gideongallery · 09-09-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Oh yeah. I am sure a multi million dollar company is afraid if an assclown with a copy machine.

**rolls eyes**

You showed them toots.

weather they got the redacted response and back down
or my internet provider refused to release the information because of PEPIDA doesn't matter
i never head from them again.

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Originally Posted by kenny

Talk to me when Warner Bros. or Microsoft serves you with a complaint.

disney (owner of ABC, producer of lost) bigger than warner bros

so i have already been targetted by someone between those to examples.

If WB comes after me for downloading copys of smallville i am pretty certain the record on file with my isp would stop them from bothering me too.

Aussie Rebel · 09-09-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Aussie Rebel...if you get an icq from gideongallery and can verify that he does indeed actually own that company he claims (but refuses to show anybody) please post that you did see it with your own eyes and verified that gideongallery owns it.

I would be shocked...AND, most importantly I would give gideongallery a big apology and actually respect his views as his right to voice on here.

But I'm not gonna hold my breath. I don't believe he owns anything.

For you brother anything

but I wont post any info about his site though if he does contact me

Aussie Rebel · 09-09-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

gideon I remember you posting in a thread where you said you run the same or similar sort of company as RYC is there any chance of you icqing me a link to check it out? I'm not trying to dis you or anything at all I'm just interested thats all and it will be kept private.
4-2-1-0-9-9-4-1

Sorry Gideon I posted the wrong icq it's 4-2-1-9-9-0-4-1

kenny · 09-09-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

disney (owner of ABC, producer of lost) bigger than warner bros

so i have already been targetted by someone between those to examples.

If WB comes after me for downloading copys of smallville i am pretty certain the record on file with my isp would stop them from bothering me too.

Scan the complaint, your Response and the Judge's order or it never happened.

BTW, if you're truely getting all this attention than you really are riding this fair use thing for all thats its worth

Barefootsies · 09-09-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny

Scan the complaint, your Response and the Judge's order or it never happened.

Robbie · 09-09-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

For you brother anything

but I wont post any info about his site though if he does contact me

I don't want you to do that either. I'll respect his privacy...if he has anything. But to me he's just another of the magical mystery millionaires of GFY who talk the talk.

gideongallery · 09-09-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny

And what does this has to do with the torrent seeding grey area?

seeding content you bought is a backup
backup is a fair use right
fair use is defined in the copyright act

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Either you're sugar coating it or you some how actually believe this.

I can guarantee that out of all those people ripping off photoshop we'd be lucky to find one downloading it as a backup.

well the seeder would be using the backup fair use
the downloader would be using the recovery fair use
but i am going to assume that you ment recovery when you said back up
but since you can identify, track down and procecute every one of those other people (everyone but the one you could find-- i think the number would be greater than 1)
you don't need to take away the technology from those who legitimately using it in a fair use way. That the point i am making.

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But at the very least its legal for me to download every superbowl since I've been alive, right? I mean I've always had those channels.

as long as you can prove you paid for it, sure why not. Remember that fair use is an affirmative defence (at least it was until the lenz vs universal) so you better have proof that you bought a right to view that airing.

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I can even gift them to my friends being that everybody has access to the superbowl?? Right? The NFL knows I've already paid the price of watching the commecials being aired during play.

depends are you giving them the entire file or just small non working pieces that they would have to trade with their other friends to recover a full working copy. (no actual infringement)

or
can you prove that all your friends you gave it to bought such a right to view (actually had tv at the time it originally aired) it not that hard when it was last weeks episode of lost but it may be a lot harder if it was omething from 20 years ago.

gideongallery · 09-09-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny

Scan the complaint, your Response and the Judge's order or it never happened.

BTW, if you're truely getting all this attention than you really are riding this fair use thing for all thats its worth

no judges order as i said "i never had to go to trial."

the other two would be an email (from the isp mentioning the tv episode) and a response email back to abuse department.

i can look for them if you really want, but i am not going to waste my time if your going to pull a Barefootsies and claim i lied because i didn't present you with a judges order.

correct your request and repost and i will look for it for you.

Barefootsies · 09-09-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

but i am not going to waste my time if your going to pull a Barefootsies and claim i lied because i didn't present you with a judges order.

Nice try board troll.

d-null · 09-09-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

seeding content you bought is a backup
backup is a fair use right
fair use is defined in the copyright act.

wtf? how in the hell can seeding content, which involves a random person connecting to your computer directly and you serving the file directly to them, be "backup"??

klaze · 09-09-2008, 09:19 PM

L-Pink · 09-09-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

wtf? how in the hell can seeding content, which involves a random person connecting to your computer directly and you serving the file directly to them, be "backup"??

Honest to God, do not feed this douche bag ...... ignore his cheap thieving ass.

Barefootsies · 09-09-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by klaze

Barefootsies · 09-09-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Honest to God, do not feed this douche bag

Robbie · 09-09-2008, 09:26 PM

You see barefootsies, you just made fair use of klazes timeshifting of stickyfingerz I am now going to put it in an iframe and stick some dating ads all around it and monetize it. I will profit off of it unless you send me a DMCA And then you BETTER be able to prove I didn't have fair use or I'm gonna sue you.

Robbie · 09-09-2008, 09:27 PM

Barefootsies · 09-09-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You see barefootsies, you just made fair use of klazes timeshifting of stickyfingerz I am now going to put it in an iframe and stick some dating ads all around it and monetize it. I will profit off of it unless you send me a DMCA And then you BETTER be able to prove I didn't have fair use or I'm gonna sue you.

Robbie · 09-09-2008, 09:34 PM

Damn it...barefootsies DMCA'ed me and now my stickyfingerz page looks like this:

That's ok. I made a few grand for the few minutes it was up. I'm gonna "seed" it and timeshift it on every tube and torrent out there and then I'm gonna go to every forum dedicated to stickyfingerz and post the urls to where they can download it for free so that everybody can have fair use. Cause God knows we've all paid for stickyfingerz at least once, so we all have fair use rights.

Jim_Gunn · 09-09-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

please provide me with a link to something i said was true (and a link to the proof that it wasn't)

please provide me with a link to something that i said exists (and a link to the poff that it doesn't)

time shifting is the viewing of content you paid for at a different time then it was originally aired. IT was established as a fair use right in the beta max case, and covers all the actions that exist using that technology from recording your shows yourself to borrowing a friends tape and watching a show you missed (ie because the power went out). IT has been extended to include all of the newer technologies that can provide the same functional benefit (timeshifting to a cloud).

I'm a busy porn director. I don't have time to retort point by point with trolling nitwits. I just like the camaraderie of goofing on you along with the other guys here. Timeshifting to a "cloud" indeed, LOL. Who the fuck does that or would bother wasting their time with that? 99% of file sharing is done by people that never watched or purchased the original movie or song, it's just a way to get something for free. Your arguments sound like the guys who parse the language of the Constitution and the Federal laws and conclude that no one or almost no one has to pay Federal taxes. It's transparent self serving BS designed purely to advance your agenda

Aussie Rebel · 09-10-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't want you to do that either. I'll respect his privacy...if he has anything. But to me he's just another of the magical mystery millionaires of GFY who talk the talk.

Well he didn't contact me so I guess he wants to keep it secret

flashfire · 09-10-2008, 12:23 AM

pretty harsh I think

Robbie · 09-10-2008, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

Well he didn't contact me so I guess he wants to keep it secret

That's because it doesn't exist. The beauty of GFY. All these motherfuckers on here can claim to be any damn thing they want and run their dicksuckers all day long. And if you question them then you are the asshole somehow!

It's laughable to say the least and that's how I approach it now.

gideongallery · 09-10-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I'm a busy porn director. I don't have time to retort point by point with trolling nitwits. I just like the camaraderie of goofing on you along with the other guys here. Timeshifting to a "cloud" indeed, LOL. Who the fuck does that or would bother wasting their time with that? 99% of file sharing is done by people that never watched or purchased the original movie or song, it's just a way to get something for free. Your arguments sound like the guys who parse the language of the Constitution and the Federal laws and conclude that no one or almost no one has to pay Federal taxes. It's transparent self serving BS designed purely to advance your agenda

right and claiming that 99% of file sharing is done by people that never watched or purchased the orignal movie or song when you know that 50% of torrent traffic is for tv shows (because i already posted the link to the traffic study) .

if even 1 single person is downloading a movie that aired on tv (matrix, etc) a MAJORITY of people are using torrents as timeshifting technology.

if quoting the same independent studies to prove my point is "transparent self serving BS designed purely to advance your agenda" what does it mean when you keep pulling numbers (99%) out of your ass when you know they are false.

IT is absolutely certain that 99% are not stealing movies or songs they have never purchased because 50% of bit torrent traffic is for tv shows (neither movies or songs).

09-09-2008, 09:26 PM	#92
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,960	You see barefootsies, you just made fair use of klazes timeshifting of stickyfingerz I am now going to put it in an iframe and stick some dating ads all around it and monetize it. I will profit off of it unless you send me a DMCA And then you BETTER be able to prove I didn't have fair use or I'm gonna sue you. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

09-09-2008, 09:27 PM	#93
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,960	__________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

09-09-2008, 09:34 PM	#95
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,960	Damn it...barefootsies DMCA'ed me and now my stickyfingerz page looks like this: That's ok. I made a few grand for the few minutes it was up. I'm gonna "seed" it and timeshift it on every tube and torrent out there and then I'm gonna go to every forum dedicated to stickyfingerz and post the urls to where they can download it for free so that everybody can have fair use. Cause God knows we've all paid for stickyfingerz at least once, so we all have fair use rights. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

09-09-2008, 08:10 PM	#61
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Where do I send for a refund on my last 23 copies of Dark Side of the Moon?

09-09-2008, 08:15 PM	#64
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	It's so hard not to get sucked into this guy's retarded vortex. Not one single thing he has posted makes a bit of sense or is supported under the law. He claims A is true (when it's not), then says that B exists (when it doesn't) then concludes that C is legal, when it's not. He doesn't even understand (or is purposely confusing) what time-shifting is. It's like arguing with some one who believes in creationism. You just have no hope of convincing them otherwise no matter how silly they sound to everyone else.

09-09-2008, 08:35 PM	#73
Aussie Rebel Blow Me U Geeks Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Maximum Security Posts: 5,108	gideon I remember you posting in a thread where you said you run the same or similar sort of company as RYC is there any chance of you icqing me a link to check it out? I'm not trying to dis you or anything at all I'm just interested thats all and it will be kept private. 4-2-1-0-9-9-4-1

09-09-2008, 08:38 PM	#75
nearnow So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,485	this is a good news. we need tougher laws to deal with illegal contents.

09-09-2008, 09:19 PM	#88
klaze So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: Adult Marketing Mecca Posts: 2,167

09-10-2008, 12:23 AM	#98
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	pretty harsh I think