Serious Cross Sale thread. In here.

[GrouchyAdmin]

I've seen tons of people bitching about Cross Sales.

These are nothing new, and are the only reason sponsors are offering insane PPS. If those whining and moaning about it get them cancelled, guess what? PPS is gonna go way down, and free non-tube sites are gonna go the way of the dodo.

Please cast your vote, you have two options: Shitty PPS, or Cross Sale. I'm curious how many people will be honest in their answers, but I'm going to make this a private poll so nobody has to expose themselves.

[baddog]

faster . . . or did you forget to click the poll option?

[VIPimp]

I pay $35 per trial and dont have more than 1 xsell which is clearly visible above the join button and all price points clearly displayed....

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by baddog

faster . . . or did you forget to click the poll option?

I'm not done typing, damn it!

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by VIPimp

I pay $35 per trial and dont have more than 1 xsell which is clearly visible above the join button and all price points clearly displayed....

Program owners need not apply. This question is directed towards affiliates only.

[VIPimp]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

Program owners need not apply. This question is directed towards affiliates only.

Yea but I am saying pps wont be going away if those issues ppl are complaning about do.

[Nick_Merlot]

I vote higher PPS, keep'em checked baby!











But shhhhh don't tell anyone my vote...keep it between us.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by VIPimp

Yea but I am saying pps wont be going away if those issues ppl are complaning about do.

$35 PPS is not $100 PPS.

[Amputate Your Cock]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

These are nothing new, and are the only reason sponsors are offering insane PPS. .

1: they do it on revshare as well
2: Most of those programs pay 35 bucks.

Not sure what youre talking about, neither do you.

[BVF]

$35 a sale isn't a "shitty" pps....If people just stayed at 35-40 things would be different...

[Amputate Your Cock]

So we, the affiliates, are the reason program owners charge 120 dollars so they can pay us 35 bucks.

Great thread dude...got any more?

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Cock

1: they do it on revshare as well
2: Most of those programs pay 35 bucks.

Not sure what youre talking about, neither do you.

Not a part of this argument or statement. I don't care about RevShare metrics for this thread, but thanks for shitting on my thread. Go back to the others, fakenick #10,312,032

[Amputate Your Cock]

This has to be the dumbest poll all fucking week.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by BVF

$35 a sale isn't a "shitty" pps....If people just stayed at 35-40 things would be different...

You know as well as I do that if a program says 'We're gonna give you $100 this weekend', very few are going to be promoting the $35 guys for that period, which feeds back unto itself..

[Amputate Your Cock]

[VIPimp]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

$35 PPS is not $100 PPS.

I doubt those programs pay $100 pps everyday and if they do then I'm sure they probably do not convert that well. And $35 per trial is high if the sites actually convert, would not consider that shitty.

[Iron Fist]

Get your ass to Mars.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by VIPimp

I doubt those programs pay $100 pps everyday and if they do then I'm sure they probably do not convert that well. And $35 per trial is high if the sites actually convert, would not consider that shitty.

clicky clicky.

[Amputate Your Cock]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

You know as well as I do that if a program says 'We're gonna give you $100 this weekend', very few are going to be promoting the $35 guys for that period, which feeds back unto itself..

Wow, so now you say its still our fault that those sponsors charge the surfer 120 bucks on a daily basis because they have a promo period twice a year

[Pleasurepays]

when Ron tried to lower payouts so he could keep things honest.. what happened? all the short sighted morons in this industry pulled their traffic and spit on him for it.

everyone in this biz deserves whatever happens... because its a biz full of self destructive, "live for the moment" idiots who are locked in a perpetual and desperate race to the bottom.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Cock

Wow, so now you say its still our fault that those sponsors charge the surfer 120 bucks on a daily basis because they have a promo period twice a year

If you were more than just a board troll, and an actual affiliate who intentionally promoted someone due to the high PPS, you'd be a willing participant.

Either way, shut the fuck up and get out of my thread.

[aico]

I only promote Revshare. I'm in this for the money.

[spacedog]

cross sales are fine as long as they're WELL DEFINED, not multiple and not hidden/buried and NOT ON REVSHARE.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

I've seen tons of people bitching about Cross Sales.

These are nothing new, and are the only reason sponsors are offering insane PPS. If those whining and moaning about it get them cancelled, guess what? PPS is gonna go way down, and free non-tube sites are gonna go the way of the dodo.

Please cast your vote, you have two options: Shitty PPS, or Cross Sale. I'm curious how many people will be honest in their answers, but I'm going to make this a private poll so nobody has to expose themselves.

I don't understand why any webmaster with quality traffic would even consider promoting a website on PPS basis. If you run good and popular sites you will always make much more money with revshare. Now, the shady thing that most programs out there do is to have xsales on revshare as well. That's pretty queationable at least.

[sortie]

You can scam your surfer once for $60 and they never sign up again or
you can have you surfer always come to you to sign up multiple times.

[u-Bob]

rev-share all the way!

[Pete-KT]

Originally Posted by VIPimp

I pay $35 per trial and dont have more than 1 xsell which is clearly visible above the join button and all price points clearly displayed....

Same as Satancash, Keep an Eye out for the PPS to come out of Beta Soon

[fatfoo]

I vote... I want my high PPS. Cross sales are just a way I get paid.

[Amputate Your Cock]

Originally Posted by fatfoo

I vote... I want my high PPS. Cross sales are just a way I get paid.

Because by next year you are retired i hope? If not then youre a stupid idiot.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by fatfoo

I vote... I want my high PPS. Cross sales are just a way I get paid.

You're not alone.

So far:

5 said "SHOW ME THA MONEYY!"
8 said "Oh goodness, I would never do that nudge-nudge wink-wink."

[2012]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

Either way, shut the fuck up and get out of my thread.

So you don't like people popping into your thread insulting you. Interesting ...

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by fartfly

So you don't like people popping into your thread insulting you. Interesting ...

If you have an argument other than "Fuck you, you suck but I don't really get what you're asking anyhow.", I'd love to hear it. If you start posting toilets full of shit, I'll ask you to stop posting in my thread as well.

[Amputate Your Cock]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

If you start posting toilets full of shit, I'll ask you to stop posting in my thread as well.

[Amputate Your Cock]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

5 said "SHOW ME THA MONEYY!"

5 people just showed that they are clueless and dont realize theyre fucking things up long term.

[Robbie]

As an affiliate....it's none of my business. I send traffic to get joins to the site I promote. Once my surfer enters the paysites join page he is no longer "my surfer" he is THEIR member.

As paysite owner...I'd like to give LOWER PPS & keep x-sells. The cost of running a paysite and the sheer hours I put in working on it...I believe I should be able to make good money. And if I put up a x-sell it's none of your goddamn business.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by Robbie

As an affiliate....it's none of my business. I send traffic to get joins to the site I promote. Once my surfer enters the paysites join page he is no longer "my surfer" he is THEIR member. .

Xsales are mostly done on the signup page BEFORE a surfer joins a site. Some shady programs hide those pre-checked boxes for up to 3 other sites/programs way down below the signup botton. If you are on revshare with them, they won't give you the percentage of sales as they promise in their affiliate advertising = fraud!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

Xsales are mostly done on the signup page BEFORE a surfer joins a site. Some shady programs hide those pre-checked boxes for up to 3 other sites/programs way down below the signup botton. If you are on revshare with them, they won't give you the percentage of sales as they promise in their affiliate advertising = fraud!

My job was to get a surfer to the tour. Then it's the paysite owners job to have great content and a tour that will work for their particular niche. It's the tour's job to get the surfer to the join page. And once the surfer has made that decision...based on whether or not the tour has done it's job...then they have pretty much decided they are going to try and join that site.

I can't reach my hand out at that point and demand the backend money that the paysite makes. And the paysite can't "share" the costs of DECLINES if the surfers credit card doesn't work for any reason OR the $55 that the bank charges if the surfer pulls a chargeback on the paysite.

Fair is fair. And I feel all this b.s. is mostly coming either from people who have never run a paysite or people who aren't very successful as affiliates. I'm both, and my view of it reflects that.

[mynameisjim]

Bah, Keep your cross sales. I can make $150 per sign up on rev share.

See my thread here. https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/849532-pps-pay-maybe.html I've got pages of stats like that.

[bbm]

I prefer cross sales

[Tjeezers]

I started in 2000 with the first Live Cam traffic Networks...
Fuck PPS, fuck cross sales, let the models do the selling

[StarkReality]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Bah, Keep your cross sales. I can make $150 per sign up on rev share.

Yep, but most affiliates are like the models. Give them two options:

1. Get a bunch of money today, once, that's it.
2. Get a share and alot more money long term.

They'll always pick 1. They ignore basic maths. It's all about big, catchy numbers.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by Robbie

My job was to get a surfer to the tour. Then it's the paysite owners job to have great content and a tour that will work for their particular niche. It's the tour's job to get the surfer to the join page. And once the surfer has made that decision...based on whether or not the tour has done it's job...then they have pretty much decided they are going to try and join that site.

I can't reach my hand out at that point and demand the backend money that the paysite makes. And the paysite can't "share" the costs of DECLINES if the surfers credit card doesn't work for any reason OR the $55 that the bank charges if the surfer pulls a chargeback on the paysite.

Fair is fair. And I feel all this b.s. is mostly coming either from people who have never run a paysite or people who aren't very successful as affiliates. I'm both, and my view of it reflects that.

I have ran paysites and I work as an affiliate for over 10 years. I do very well, because I chose my sponsors by profitability on a revshare model.

My point is: why send traffic to a site that will give me a very small amount of money for 1 join when they produce 3 or 4 joins (and several rebills)? If I have a surfer and I can potentially sell him 3 or 4 sites, I will do that and get my revshare from all of them and make much more than 35 or 200$ off of his wallet. Besides I can sleep well, because the surfer really wanted to join the sites and will come back to me to get advise about other sites he could join because I guided him to content he wanted.

In most cases the current model of Xsales is based on deceiving a surfer. Those Xsales are hidden and they do not receive information about canceling policy before they signup. That's not a honest way of doing business and it is very bad for the reputation of our industry. Such surfers will most likely never join a paysite again and resort to illegal tube sites to get their daily fix than lose money on another ripoff site.

A few years back I ran a small chat studio in Prague and we had guys spend thousands of Dollars every month. Needless to say I would be stupid to accept a PPS model for a cam site.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

In most cases the current model of Xsales is based on deceiving a surfer. Those Xsales are hidden and they do not receive information about canceling policy before they signup.

First off the current model is the SAME MODEL THAT HAS BEEN USED FOR XSELLS FOR YEARS. That's what is blowing my mind about this stuff. You guys all act like it's something new.

And I have yet to see a x-sell that didn't have all the terms spelled out on the same page, including how much it will rebill for and when that will happen if not canceled.. What I call "using a scroll bar" is what these assclowns call "hidden". I don't see it like that at all. Yes, you do want a surfer to miss it when they sign up. BUT, every x-sell sends an email at the same time the host paysite sends it's email. And that email tells the member how long his trial is, when the rebill hits, the name that will appear on their credit card AND a link to a support page to cancel.

And since you were around for so long...why didn't you realize this about x-sells 5 or 10 years ago?

And where was everybody back when dialers were downloaded onto surfers at every big traffic site that stole MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars from people and made a lot of the original guys in internet porn millionaires who retired before 2000?

And where was everybody back when every big affiliate program was throwing 500 popups to other programs so hard that it shut down the surfers machine as well as downloaded dialers, Zango, and other shit?

And a ONE DOLLAR trial that rebills in 2 to 3 days that is clearly visible and sends an email to the member is "shady" "stealing" "crooked" and "destroying the business" No fucking way.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by Robbie

First off the current model is the SAME MODEL THAT HAS BEEN USED FOR XSELLS FOR YEARS. That's what is blowing my mind about this stuff. You guys all act like it's something new.

And where was everybody back when every big affiliate program was throwing 500 popups to other programs so hard that it shut down the surfers machine as well as downloaded dialers, Zango, and other shit?

And a ONE DOLLAR trial that rebills in 2 to 3 days that is clearly visible and sends an email to the member is "shady" "stealing" "crooked" and "destroying the business" No fucking way.

As you say all those questionable methods became history. Policy makers stopped dialer abuse because of those idiots that made millions with them by ripping people off and that is what makes it difficult for many of us to find accepted billing solutions in countries like Spain and Germany who would be good for very solid revenue. Just because a couple of shady characters abused the system, it makes business more difficult today!

You say they send out emails ... but how do you know these emails arrive? All serious programs and billing companies provide links to a cancel page before they signup to inform a consumer about his rights in advance. Programs that don't do this and use fineprint on the very bottom of a page to disguise xsells are shady in my book.

Write it on top of the signup button and in the same letter size like the rest of the page and I would say xsells are fine for me as long as the revenue is shared with the affiliate if he is on revshare. Xsales that are not shared with a revshare affiliate are fraud against the affiliate because he chose revshare and not PPS!

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

You say they send out emails ... but how do you know these emails arrive?

Are you serious?

[BlackCrayon]

I made more money in this industry long before PPS was even an option.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Robbie

First off the current model is the SAME MODEL THAT HAS BEEN USED FOR XSELLS FOR YEARS. That's what is blowing my mind about this stuff. You guys all act like it's something new.

And I have yet to see a x-sell that didn't have all the terms spelled out on the same page, including how much it will rebill for and when that will happen if not canceled.. What I call "using a scroll bar" is what these assclowns call "hidden". I don't see it like that at all. Yes, you do want a surfer to miss it when they sign up. BUT, every x-sell sends an email at the same time the host paysite sends it's email. And that email tells the member how long his trial is, when the rebill hits, the name that will appear on their credit card AND a link to a support page to cancel.

And since you were around for so long...why didn't you realize this about x-sells 5 or 10 years ago?

And where was everybody back when dialers were downloaded onto surfers at every big traffic site that stole MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars from people and made a lot of the original guys in internet porn millionaires who retired before 2000?

And where was everybody back when every big affiliate program was throwing 500 popups to other programs so hard that it shut down the surfers machine as well as downloaded dialers, Zango, and other shit?

And a ONE DOLLAR trial that rebills in 2 to 3 days that is clearly visible and sends an email to the member is "shady" "stealing" "crooked" and "destroying the business" No fucking way.

No matter how you want to look at it, pre check cross sales only work on those who don't know what they are, don't see them, etc. Maybe the odd person is interested in joining 2 other sites they have never seen before at the same time as joining another but very few. As for dialers, i was there. It lasted like 6 months before the ftc stepped in and stopped it, for US traffic at least.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

You say they send out emails ... but how do you know these emails arrive?

Because I've done plenty of x-sells myself. The emails are sent from the same NATS email form as every other email we send out. AND I have done plenty of test sales with affiliate programs to confirm it for myself. Perhaps if some of these surfers on GFY posing as webmasters has a credit card they would do the same.

I would say xsells are fine for me as long as the revenue is shared with the affiliate if he is on revshare. Xsales that are not shared with a revshare affiliate are fraud against the affiliate because he chose revshare and not PPS!

So you are saying that after you sent a surfer to a paysites' tour...which means you did your job...and then the paysite itself has such good content and a kick ass tour that THEY get that surfer to not only the first page but the SECOND page of the join (which means that this person has now made the decision to join the site YOU promoted and is now basically becoming a member of that site)...
You're saying that you think we as affiliates should be able to reach our hand out and "share" in the backend profit of the paysite?

Well, I don't. I don't think I have any rights to that money. And I don't think the paysite owner has any rights to make me have to split the cost of a DECLINE if the surfers card doesn't work. Or the extra $55 that the bank will charge the paysite if that surfer does a chargeback.

We don't have to "share" in all those expenses including the processing fee of 6 to 7 dollars a pop. So why the fuck should we "share" in the backend profit?

That's just insane. And yet typical for the drama of this board.

[mynameisjim]

The best part of all this is nobody on here really knows how hard is to cancel all these cross sales because even webmasters are afraid to join these sites

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

As for dialers, i was there. It lasted like 6 months before the ftc stepped in and stopped it, for US traffic at least.

No, it lasted for YEARS my friend. I could tell you things you wouldn't believe...but I won't on a forum. You are right though about it lasting long past the time it was shut down in the U.S. Hell, if it weren't for broadband it would still be happening today.