Jman

Looking at this election and you guys trash each other here just reminds me how happy I am to live in Canada.

Where our leaders aren't chosen because they where a war prisoner but they are actual Politicians.

With that said I believe Obama as far more political skills then that old coot who seems to be broken up and only there to be a yes man to his Lady VP who's a female carbon copy of Bush.

Good Luck America, my guess is you will NEED it.

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This is true.
She could make great money in atlantic city on the strip though.. with probably 2-3 arrests a year.. but if she gives a good blowjob, she'll be cool ;)

Racist and not clear thinking.

Why she doesn't like Biden is BEYOND me.. other than the plagiarism deal.. he's been a great washington worker.

Bama

Plain and simple truth of the matter - If Obama's skin was white, he would not have beaten Hillary and it burns me up to hear people say "Don't vote for McCain just because he's a war veteran" while all the while pushing the button to vote for Obama simply because he's black.

I watched the speech last night and no, he's not a great public speaker, but his words did inspire and when he said he wants to stop sending 700 billion/year to countries that don't like us very much that was icing on the cake for me.

That's 700 billion to pump into our school systems and lord knows, we certainly need that.

ninavain

both candidates have that same approach, but OBAMA will actually get it done

Snake Doctor

http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...837368,00.html

jesus you're an idiot.

Nobody ever said he didn't have speechwriters on his staff. The guy makes 6 stops a day and has to make remarks at each of them that are specifically tailored to the group of people he's speaking to and the area he's in. Of course the bulk of that work is done by his staff.

His stump speech, his speech when he launched his campaign, his acceptance speech at the convention, his speech on race, his speech at the 2004 convention, those were all written by Obama himself.

Having a speechwriter is no big deal, all Presidents and Presidential Candidates in the modern era have had people write their speeches.
However, this criticism that's hurled at Obama, that he's just reciting words that someone else wrote, so therefore his speeches don't matter....when Obama is the one guy out there writing his own stuff, is utterly ridiculous.

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Drake

If Obama wasn't a gifted orator, he wouldn't have won. I think him being black helped him as much as Hillary being female helped her. They're both historic. Obama just happens to be a better orator and a "new" guy on the block.

McCain's speech certainly pulled on the heartstrings and his biography of sacrifice has a gravity that Obama's (and few on earth) can match.

However, if you were inspired by the rhetoric about not sending billions overseas, then you're ignoring McCain's track record of support for oil and non-support for alternative energy over his quarter of a century in Washington. In other words the 'icing on the cake' for you was nothing more than talk of 'change' lifted from the Obama camp.

All these speeches will be forgotten by next week and new events will likely determine who gets elected. I think as it stands the Electoral map is in favor of Obama and he's the favorite on betting sites, but this could change.

Snake Doctor

Your assertion that Obama wouldn't have won if he were white is pretty ridiculous. It is an OPINION, not a fact as you claimed it was.
If you love war veterans so much and think that's a good reason to vote for someone, then I'm assuming you voted for Al Gore and John Kerry who both served in Vietnam, instead of for George W Bush who didn't?

My racism charge against that bitch had nothing to do with her wanting McCain to win.
That was an argument that spanned more than one thread and I invite you to stay out of it.

I've never once said anyone should vote for Obama because he's black, neither has anyone in his campaign.

The 700 billion a year is a red herring. Yes that money gets shipped overseas so to speak....but if we produced that energy here, it wouldn't put 700 billion in the government coffers that could be spent on schools. That money would go to whomever owns the land where the resources are, and to the companies that recover and then put the product on the market.

The resources we have here vs. the resources in the middle east is something alot of people don't understand. If we drill for oil here and it produced oil tomorrow, it wouldn't drop the price of gas much, if at all.
Not only that, but these ads and campaign propaganda keep talking about how this energy is "ours" as if the American consumer wouldn't have to pay for it.

If people are that pissed about "sending money overseas" then we should stop trading with China too.

I'm not saying energy independence and alternative fuels aren't important, because they are. What I'm saying is that the 700 billion a year and the drilling for oil offshore ideas are red herrings designed to get people worked up.

Obama's energy plan is much more comprehensive than McCain's and he's been talking about it for alot longer. Democrats in general have been in favor of higher fuel economy standards and research and development of alternative energies, even when gas was $1.50, because they were worried about the environment.
If energy independence is truly your hot button issue, you ought to be voting for the Democrats.

If the 700 billion a year and offshore drilling are the excuse you're using to justify your vote for McCain, that's fine too, but don't try and pass it off as something else.

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Snake Doctor

Something most people don't understand about the energy price problem is that there is not a shortage of oil. There is actually a surplus.
OPEC isn't underproducing to try and hurt our economy ala the 1970's.

The problem is the weak dollar. If oil had always been traded in say Euros, the price of oil wouldn't have risen very much in the past 8 years, but it would be expensive for us because the value of the dollar dropped.

If our dollar still had the value it did against the Euro, Pound, or Yen, as it did when Bush took office, gasoline would cost about $2/gallon.

When you cut taxes, fight two wars, and add a prescription drug benefit to medicare with no mechanism to pay for it other than increasing the debt, going from a projected 4 trillion surplus over 10 years to adding massive amounts to the national debt.....people in the world tend to lose faith in your currency.

Alternative sources of energy are important for many reasons and should be pursued aggressively....but the government wants to bring down the price of oil in the short term, they need to stop borrowing money to fight two wars, get our financial house in order, balance the budget, and invest in our infrastructure at home, so that the value of the dollar goes up.
When the dollar goes up, oil prices go down. It's that simple

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Bama

Let's compare McCain's voting record to that of Obama's during the same time period.....

Oh wait! He wasn't around then and has no track record! And just because the DNC was scheduled first doesn't mean any of McCain's ideas were "lifted" from Obama's camp.

I do believe you're right about the upcoming weeks. All will be forgotten and the race will return back to:

McCain being old
Palin being a woman
Obama being black

tiger

That was a terrible speech. McCain looks and sounds like a robot that is about to short circuit.

Much worse even then what I expected.

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How low can Obama supporters go?

http://downspalin.blogspot.com/

CheeseFrog

What makes you think that's an Obama supporter? Looks like he's making fun of Obama too in some of the entries.

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CheeseFrog

I dunno, this is just a gut feeling, but I think the number of people who won't vote for Obama because he's black > the number of people who will vote for him because he is black. It works both ways.

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TheDoc

I'm all for Alternative sources. But the "people" aren't, even when it's double free for them. In the state of NY, which has the highest state taxes, the western NY people pay NY city taxes. Anyway, some people in W. NY had the option of getting windmills, at no cost to them, and if they allowed them to be built - they wouldn't have to pay state taxes, again the highest state taxes in the Country.

And they turned it down.

Americans really think drilling for oil and nuclear power is going to be what changes this Country. Just one Nuc power plant takes like 10 years to build. We need about double what we have now and both produce massive waste issues.

It all boils down to the Gov/States only want to support Power Sources that have extreme on-going costs, so they can bill you more for things like power.

Solar, wind, water, and our atmosphere has every bit of energy/power we will ever need. And the cost of this technology is much cheaper and way faster to build on massive levels.

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You mean like ,McCain has missed 63.8% of Senate votes the worst in Congress. Obama missed 45% of votes?

To me it's more about the man of war McCain who voted against providing 500 million to help vets deal with Posttraumatic stress disorder and substance abuse. Amazing if you ask me.

I know Obama didn't vote on several key things, not saying that. But the young buck vs. the old man, Obama has done his fair share.

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Because it's fits the pattern of classless behaviour that comes mainly from the left. Like the cretins who were throwing bleach on Republican delegates at the convention.

Bama

I do love war veterans. Patriotism is easy to talk about but they've actually put their lives on the line to protect what this country is all about. I respect the fuck out of that and don't care what "party" the person belongs to - and yes, I did vote for Al Gore over GW

Agreed, you haven't, but to say that race doesn't play a part in this election would be completely ridiculous. It played a HUGE part of it and the exit polls for the Democratic party nominee shows that it did - it doesn't "have" to be said and so did gender.

If you were to poll the black population that voted for Obama on 10 things that he stood for you couldn't get an answer. They voted for him because of his skin color or against Hillary's gender. The majority of people are uninformed and that's terrible. Hell, I don't keep as up to date as I should but I certainly don't wear blinders either.

I've been on this earth 45 years now and have yet to meet a person that is tolerant of all things from all people. It exists, plain and simple...

That 700 billion is in foreign aid

Absolutely right. Those ads are geared to pull on the heart-strings of emotions. I dislike them as well

We should certainly do something. The trade deficit is one of the reasons the dollar is so weak

Energy independence isn't my hot button issue at all.

Obama hasn't been talking about anything longer than McCain has - hasn't been around nearly as long.

EonBlue

It's OK to vote for Obama because he's black

Bama

I agree with you. I'm not going to stand here and say my guy didn't do some pretty stupid things. Neither candidate is a shining example of what public service should be!

Vendzilla

My daughter is aboard the USS Ronald Reagon, she tells me that most all the crew is behind McCain, so when you say a ton, do you mean 10 guys weighing 200 lbs each?

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Drake

The track records of each will be discussed in the debates. Each camp seems eager to compare.

As for what's been lifted, I was referring to campaign strategy and change in policy of McCain. The 'change' mantra was what Obama's camp has been running on, now the McCain campaign is touting the same thing. You said the section of the speech about oil dependency inspired you. McCain's record speaks in support of oil depedency, not a change from it, even though that's what the speech would have you believe.

TheDoc

That is the truth of truths.

All I see with McCain is he is ready to fight, fight, fight. Which means more wars, wars, wars. But clearly isn't willing to help the people that did fight, after all he got his help.

BTW, I'm one of those people that he turned down helping. If Obama turned it down, I wouldn't care - but McCain, the man is filled with lies.

It's very clear, just the talk he had about Russia. What they are doing is wrong and what we are doing is right, we won't let Russia do whatever they want - but we can dammit! Are people really that dumbed down?

Ralph Wiggum 08

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I can remember McCain on cspan railing against pork being shoved inside bills they had nothing to do with. Giving huge sums of research grants to work on something they called "clean coal". McCain said that those two words dont go together, and in his opinion they never would because of the very nature of coal. So WHY, he demanded to know, are we throwing so much money at something with such a small chance of success when millions of gigawatts of free energy was literally blowing away as every moment passes?

But, this was long before a presidential election. This was when McCain and Maverick belonged together BECAUSE he said such things! Against his own parties wishes!

The whole fucking republican convention was sponsored by "clean coal" in case you didnt notice the little graphic and announcement once it was over. And Obama is no better. He sucks the same dick, because it's HUGE american business and if you dont support coal these days, evidently you are a commie-nazi.

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Drake

I do not know if they're representative but "Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama":

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008...d-give-61.html

Bama

I know everyone has their own hot topics to either be for or against either candidate. We all have feelings and I won't try to undermine anyone else's as they are as valued to themselves as mine are to me.

A vote should be come from the head but if not there, the heart. I think tons and tons of votes have been coming from neither. Hopefully that changes now that we're down to the final 2.

TheDoc is right about more war and I fear it is coming - and in a HUGE way - one that none of us have ever had to live through and that is my major motivation.

North Korea and Iran + nuclear capabilities = WWIII and I believe that in my lifetime we'll witness another detonation. All it takes is 1

uno

Seriously? Back in the primaries with Hillary both she and McCain started lifting Obama's change message when it really started to resonate.

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Hot speech!!

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notoldschool

No ther are representive because deployed soldeirs votes are never counted. Atleast in the last few elections they havent been.

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ROFL!!!!

Guess you have not seen her other posts. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Snake Doctor

Well at least you're consistent on that front. What about Kerry?


Race did play a role in the primaries. The people who said race was important to them, voted AGAINST Obama.

If you polled the black population on 10 things Al Gore or John Kerry stood for they probably couldn't tell you.
If you polled the average voter on 10 things that EITHER candidate stood for they probably couldn't tell you.
Most voters in this country are single, or maybe double issue voters, and have no idea where the candidates stand on issues that aren't their top issues. (issues like abortion, civil rights, equal pay, minimum wage, taxes, etc etc)

To say that Obama won "because" he's black is ridiculous. If that were the case then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would both be former presidents.
Obama isn't going to get the black vote in November "because" he's black, he's going to get it because he's a democrat.
Put Alan Keyes on the ballot in November and see how much of the black vote he gets.


I didn't understand that. Was that a metaphor?

FWIW, the vast majority of our energy dollars go to Canada and Mexico. A very small percentage, like 10% go to so-called "countries that don't like us"...and you have to count the Saudis as a country that doesn't like us to get to that 10%.


Agreed.

Actually no, the dollar is weak because we keep spending more money than we have. Where we spend our dollars doesn't affect the dollar's value, spending more dollars than we have weakens their value.



Actually he has been talking about it longer than McCain. McCain has voted against alternative energy sources over and over and over again. He didn't seem to "discover" the issue until this election cycle.

You're right that McCain has been around a long time. Going all the way back to the last energy crisis. So why hasn't he proposed any energy policy in all of that time? Where has he been on fuel efficiency standards all these years?

McCain is a johnny-come-lately to the energy policy debate....and "I want to drill right here and I want to drill right now" is, in McCain's words, "a platitude, not a solution"

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The bottom line in all of these discussions is that they don't matter. The issues don't matter, the personalities don't matter....if we found out McCain was having an affair and Obama had an illegitimate child it wouldn't affect the outcome of the election.

People's minds are already made up. Our electorate is as polarized as it's been since the hot button issue of the day was slavery. That's how divided we are.

Elections these days are about getting people to show up. Forget about changing anyone's mind. People who say they are "undecided" are just undecided about whether or not they'll show up....they already know who they're going to vote for (or against) if they do show up.

It's kind of like a sporting event where both teams are equally matched and the game is being played on a neutral field. It's all a matter of which coach can fire up their players more, and who calls the right play at the right time.

This year the advantage belongs to the Democrats, whose "players" are very fired up because they've been losing for 8 years.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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McCain wouldn't be on fire if you soaked him in gas and lit him with a bic!

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JaneB

I know. I learned that from being on here.

JaneB

Really because it looks like neither side like porn. So either pick is not going to make it any easier for porn. If you are making money off any sites that feature women then I guess that makes you a pimp. Fugly men like you would not make any money off of porn without the women in porn. How do you like that limp dick?

JaneB

I asked him that in another thread and he threw a bitch fit. He will never answer this question.

Scootermuze

Favreau and Obama rapidly found a relatively direct way to work with one another. "What I do is to sit with him for half an hour," Favreau explains. "He talks and I type everything he says. I reshape it, I write. He writes, he reshapes it. That's how we get a finished product."

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notoldschool

Of course neither like porn. But only one party is ruled by Evangelicals who are constantly on the attack. Also Republicans are the only ones to even mention wanting to rid our homes from porn.

The ONLY important issue is NET NEUTRALITY.

Mccain = strongly against
Obama = strongly for

For you that dont understand that means your cool porn site wont even be available to people because the ISP's will block your shit. End of the internet..get it?

As for limp dick and all that...lets just say that I have been in the industry longer than you and actually my limp dick has been viewed in more videos than you have ever been in and that limpy has been viewed by millions more than ever watched your shit. FACT

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Drake

This thread really got off topic.

Pat Buchanan with some real talk.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=74389

"This is a direct challenge to administration and neocon plans to bring Georgia and Ukraine into NATO. John McCain may declare, "We are all Georgians now!" – but, are Americans, or Europeans, truly willing to go to war with a nuclear-armed Russia to keep Josef Stalin's birthplace under a regime led by an erratic hothead who launched what may be the dumbest war in history, which he lost within 24 hours?"

"Today, as Republicans celebrate the last hours of a hugely successful convention, and Democrats seethe at the hiding they took, are we as a nation drifting inexorably for new confrontations and larger and wider wars?"

Drake

We're walking into the future. Who should lead?

Two of the guys at the top of the ticket have zero executive experience.

One has war and army experience, is described by himself and others as ill-tempered.

The other has legislative experience, no military background, but has a 'normal' temperament by all accounts.

Drake

One is educated at the Naval Academy; the other at Harvard Law School
One is 72 (his dad died at the age of 70; his mom is 96); the other 47
One has a long status quo track record but sometimes a maverick; the other smaller track record, played politics on his voting record

tony286

These comments they both dont like porn. They drive me up the fucking wall. If you just looked a little at history. The biggest arrests and court cases against our industry have been during republican admins Nixon (watch the doc inside deep throat) Reagan Adam&Eve spent over 1 million dollars fighting the government. Now during Bush changes in 2257, first inspections, attorneys fired because they wouldn't go after porn and obscenity trials.Ranging from Max to a lady who wrote fucking stories no one harmed it was all in her sick twisted mind
You dont have to go too far back to a democrat Clinton his attorney general thought going after adult porn made for adults was a waste of resources and preferred to go after child porn. Now if 911 didn't happen Porn was job one for John Ashcroft. McCain comes in the foundation has been laid expect lots of pain. One of John's closest friends is Charles Keating who wanted to put Larry Flynt away for life.The two biggest icons in porn, men who could buy and sell everyone on this board are democrats there is a reason for that.

notoldschool

Its sad that you actually have to explain this to people inside this industry.

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tony286

give me 5 great things john mccain did while in office? Im curious.

Manny_Kaye

Wake up smell the roses OBAMA is never done .He will be the next president.

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I just dont get it, maybe its because most of them are too young to remember when all these things happened.

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